Newsmeldung von slashCAM: Test: Test: Panasonic AG-HPX301E - Short visit to the pilot of rob - 2 Apr 2009 20:45:00 > With the AG-HPX301E Panasonic introduces a whole series of premieres in the line-up of his professional HD-a: For the first time on so-called HDMOS sensors (CMOS-related) set of 100 Mbit / s codec will first in the professional use of the initial segment and also the first time, offers a model AG-pixel shift but no full-raster HD.
Antwort von Valentino:
The Independent scenic area, we see them less areas (DSLR can greet), because larger sensors more creative potential in terms of sharpness allow. Nice article HPX301, especially for the regional channels and very similar, we find good sales.
That the camera but the sensor size to less dramatic productions, then asked his times.
Even films like "The Wrestler" by the image ratio of 2,35:1 nurnoch about 2 / 3 of the 16mm image window (Something between 1 / 2 and 2 / 3 inches in comparison to video), is one of the best American Shooting this year.
I find it very unfortunate that the Bildgestalltung always so s.dem format was firmly behind it needs to be made.
Sure, there are always a few experiments with the new 5D film, but it is according to my knowledge, an absolute gefrikel and it costs a lot of time, most film students or just amateur filmmakers have.
Since then I work with a rather HPX301, the holding times with a little less blur brings, but met a certain standard.
They would rather invest a little more time in the light setting and tried to create this space. That is the larger Herrausforderung, with more sharpness is still a film similar Picture / look to create.
Antwort von baerenbold:
50% effectiveness of compression means that they are only half as efficiently compressed and thus twice as much memory.
Indeed, as described in the text synonymous, but twice as effective, ie. 200% compared to DVC PRO HD.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... We would rather invest a little more time in the light setting ... That seems right at the HPX301 but synonymous sorely needed to be: In this test, shown Lowlight "power" even surpasses my worst fears. When under time pressure or for other reasons, largely with the existing light replacement must synonymous brings nothing so beautiful as long as the camera-such useless sinister delivers results. A pity, because after the first announcement, I was - apart of the P2 cards - very pleased of the HPX301.
Antwort von handiro:
then read times on the U.S. forums which shows the 300 artifacts. just for reporters and fast pans, or as a shoulder mounted camcorder, there are a few unpleasant issues. I do not know how to skew translated, in any case, there is distortion of vertical lines! Stark lighting and the 300 is not synonymous. This makes the black Ex1 brown in certain light, etc. ... CMOS is still in its infancy, there may still s.Verbesserungen come.
Antwort von rob:
Hello together,
@ baerenbold:
Thanks for the hint. Yes, with 50% of the data was meant for the same picture - there've improved.
Many greetings
Rob
Antwort von WideScreen:
So what LowLight services is concerned, it really does not seem to be dolle, but because I would look at the final test to wait, because this is still preliminary, and there has until now any worse off than Camera s.Schluss then the production model.
And what the U.S. forums say is always synonymous relative to be seen. (Like the Germans of course, synonymous). Someone who is happy, says mostly nothing. Only malcontents carp around. That is usually a distorted picture of the view. I will probably my S270 to the exchange ...
Bin mal gespannt, as the differences in picture quality look .....
Antwort von WoWu:
For the first time on so-called HDMOS sensors (CMOS-related) set Basically,
All 127 MOS - Semiconductors cousins, but the HDMOS is now unfortunately in the "MOS High-Per-Fet/Power corner" located and switches as N-channel FET in the range around 300 volts, with currents up to 40 amps .
Great part, but whether this is really in this picture sensor will again?
HD heist in this context is
not high definition, but
(High Density Metal Oxide Semiconductor).
As has been again in a marketing department someone invented a name, (with Canon HD CMOS presumably), then from the HDMOS has become, without knowing that it HDMOS really exist, but the device was more with engines, with a vision to do.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
For the first time on so-called HDMOS sensors set ... ... Great part, but whether this is really in this sensor will again ... As has been again in a marketing department someone invented a name, (with Canon HD CMOS presumably), then from the HDMOS has become, without knowing that it really gives HDMOS ... I'm still not even sure if Panasonic really asserted himself in the HPX301 HD MOS-sensors construction. In the documents that I have met in any case is only of "MOS" the speech, however, sometimes synonymous of "3 Full HD MOS. If someone accidentally because the "HD" of "Full HD" to the "MOS" have added?
Antwort von WoWu:
Jau Bernd,
MOS synonymous would make sense .... but that we have already discussed months ago.
Anyway, this HDMOS name in this context, absolute cheese and does not testify to the knowledge of things.
Just sad that so little is disseminated.
Antwort von rob:
Hello,
@ Bernd E.:
In the linked text in the flyer of Panasonic is "HD MOS," s.der body 'Camera Section "where it is assembled to the sensor is:
"The AG-HPX301 boasts the 3 Full HD MOS image sensors for RGB."
The "3" with the color separation has to be done - physically, it is a sensor, which, as far as I understand it, in different layers R, G and B are processed - no guarantee - as the conversation with something Panasonic is back.
Many greetings
Rob
Antwort von WoWu:
physically it is a sensor, which, as far as I understand it, in different layers R, G and B are processed - without guarantee -- Not the sensor processes the three colors in layers.
It is rather not a combined polymer-on-chip lenses and RGB color system, but at a molecular technique in which inorganic material is so arranged that, in concentric rings, the wavelength of light is dimensioned.
Furthermore, the shape of the rings are synonymous, the light precisely on the underlying surface photograph them, leading to the exact coverage of each color and the result synonymous contributes to the high sharpness.
So not the sensor is working in layers, but which lens combination.
But that was synonymous here a year ago discussed.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Bernd E. @ ...: In the linked text in the flyer of Panasonic is "HD MOS," s.der body 'Camera Section ", where the sensor is assembled:" The AG-HPX301 boasts the 3 full HD MOS image sensors for RGB ... Eben formulation that I had meant - and I understand them so that they Camera "three MOS sensors in Full HD resolution and has not" three full HD MOS sensors "- which always synonymous should be. On the Page with the technical data in the same flyer is also synonymous of "MOS" the speech, not of "HD MOS.
Since I am far more users than the theorist am, I am happy to admit that I really no preference is whether a MOS, CMOS, MOS HD or what has always synonymous, unless a convincing image result comes out ...
Antwort von rob:
Since I am far more users than the theorist am, I am happy to admit that I really no preference is whether a MOS, CMOS, MOS HD or what has always synonymous, unless a convincing image result comes out ... This is synonymous to me - let's see how the images of the series model look ...
Have a nice evening
Rob
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Bernd
In principle, yes, you have rights if you are not off, and later possibly synonymous with software enhancements still to want, because in MOS for example by the number of data channels, the readout may be changed, so would have a direct influence on RS. Alternatively, the multiple read-out during an image cycle (position of the gamma curve), etc. etc. Or just the kind of filtering (image sharpness and improved UV / IR filtering and therefore exposure).
Therefore, it would not really me Whether I use a sensor with a fixed (low) values, or have one of the firmware is touchable. (Next firmware update will come to NAB)
Something like changing the course synonymous half of such devices, which so far have been too short.
In addition, the MOS sensors probably synonymous in larger versions of the cameras.
And of course, are the differences ... and benefits.
Antwort von mon3:
So for the product introduction of panasonic spoke of 3 mos definitely chips in the camera installed, so as holding only 3 CCD with "mos" ;-)
rolling shutter is not a topic that you have is probably in the software by hand. p2 and the maps will be made after the effective nab synonymous or be used to nab what will be the cheaper (for shorter "lifetime").
I must say that I am offering 301 very impressed, especially the viewfinder has me downright jaw to drop down, so I would not have thought that a color (but on s / w transposable) sharp as can be, especially since there are no tube but an LCOS display is. synonymous of ausklappmonitor is better than the previously available cameras.
Antwort von ed-media:
But the picture of the viewfinder is quite small and failed
fixed! The JVC HM700 is practically the Viewfinder
same type, only the screen is an inch bigger.
According to statements from the USA / Canada / England is clearly noticeable rolling shutter, which is synonymous with the idea of a product mentioned. We must stop so that they rotate with the RS or clearly avoids such settings.
Antwort von WideScreen:
If the RS with the help of the firmware in the hand have received (just ask me how ..) then it could be the "then" the RS problem was still there, and now never !?!?!?
It will soon be the 128 Gb memory card and then get out slowly so that you have to worry about memory problems should never. Long term there are 265 and then 512 GB cards, and then buys you 2 and the matter is eaten. :)
A pity it is still not a PCMCIA card, in which one hand of 4 memory cards can be used, then the problem would be solved synonymous. * g *
Antwort von ed-media:
What I just question whether the use of the Panasonic Fujinon is better than the JVC cameras, and some reported bad performance of the Fujinon figure, as synonymous with that 1 / 3 "chips per pixel at high apertures too many obscurities arise if so, should s so synonymous with the Panasonic HPX301 so.
Antwort von mon3:
If the RS with the help of the firmware in the hand have received (just ask me how ..) then it could be the "then" the RS problem was still there, and now never !?!?!?
It will soon be the 128 Gb memory card and then get out slowly so that you have to worry about memory problems should never. Then there are the long term 265 and 512 GB cards, and then you buy 2, and the thing eaten. :)
A pity it is still not a PCMCIA card, in which one hand of 4 memory cards can be used, then the problem would be solved synonymous. * g * The evidence of the panasonic colleagues was: rs, you definitely get to grips with the pre-still however have rs.
Antwort von ed-media:
In USA and UK but in most series of models RollingShutter reported!
Antwort von WideScreen:
There, the production model synonymous already delivered. When recently a new firmware raugekommen is because you probably have not.
Since I am not a flash thunderstorm Filmer'm playing anyway so no big role.
Antwort von ed-media:
If we as a camera or video journalist / reporter at press conferences often is - and not just s.roten carpet.
Then it flashes disturb much.
And in sports, or for objects with strong movement synonymous.
Antwort von WideScreen:
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Antwort von WideScreen:
Anyone knows when this will be delivered?
Antwort von strike300xxx:
Oje in Lowlight looks so bleak.
Antwort von strike300xxx:
@ WideScreen
According to Pana is the May s.Deutsche delivered.
However, in relatively small quantities.
For the "Normalo" there should be a little longer.
Antwort von ed-media:
So said, any person who wants to be in title, without the camera to have seen, the distributors said it was like for cars. Those who would like to have as a first, must be available. Should you stop times longer synonymous.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Lowlight ... looks at bleak ja ... Therefore waiting Panasonic synonymous with the delivery until summer: Da's longer stays bright ;-)
Antwort von handiro:
What I just question whether the use of the Panasonic Fujinon is better than the JVC cameras, and some reported bad performance of the Fujinon figure, as synonymous with that 1 / 3 "chips per pixel at high apertures too many obscurities arise if so, should s so synonymous with the Panasonic HPX301 so.
http://www.auberge-tv.de/GYHD-100/Erfahrungsbericht.htmlich lese gerade with grossem Interesse den langen Artikel hier:
http://www.auberge-tv.de/GYHD-100/Erfahrungsbericht.html rarely seen such profound statements! Thank you!
Antwort von krokymovie:
what is actually on the CAC technology to say? if this
"trauen" kann, sieht's nicht gut aus.
zb: hosen / schuhe 0:57 wasser 1:15
gruß
Antwort von ed-media:
The film is synonymous with Vimeo, I have my HD Media Player with my views in general and looked quite passable if rather soft from synonymous.
I think the detail s.Minimum instead of normal times.
With a few CAs is synonymous already struck me, so I think that the film - to positive for the HPX301 to be - rather everything looks smooth and the CA is not so much noticeable.
Look at the Comparison subsequent film at times, especially when the ship's recordings can be seen against the CAs, but this is the relatively poor Fujinon16x5, 5 (dissolves in 1080 only around 800 lines - just perfect for 720p - Fujinon 17x5 triggers a little above 850 lines in 1080)
Antwort von WoWu:
@ WideScreen
If the RS with the help of the firmware in the hand have received (just ask me how ..) then it could be the "then" the RS problem was still there, and now never !?!?!? The MOS sensor can be (unlike C-MOS), a definable quantity s.Datenkanälen read. the fewer channels to be defined, the closer is the readout s.GS. However, one loses more and more synonymous direct addressability of individual pixels. Panasonic will be there with the firmware that is probably the best trade-off "are looking for.
The MOS sensor used also has a positive temperature coefficient, ie the internal resistance will be at a higher clock and the sensor is not hot. Higher clocking in Reading leads also to reduce the RS. The Optimization of all parameters is likely to be negligible RS-Effect lead.
at 1 / 3 "chips per pixel at high, too many screens are blurring, if so, should s so synonymous with the Panasonic HPX301 so. The MOS chip, due to the reduced number of transistors / Photo sensor more sensitive area on the sensor (6 for 4 pixel transistors, CMOS transistors 16 for 4 pixels).
This leads to narrower traces (0.15 y / 0.25 y and thus approx. 40% more sensor area)
Because of the diffraction exclusively dependent on this surface, occurs despite the same sensor dimensions, less blur on diffraction.
@ krokymovie
The lens seems to be the corners much better way to be compensated, as the center.
The effect we have on a Canon CACfile for the 500 had, but then the camera has been replaced.
Thereafter, the compensation bugs.
Perhaps that is used in the lens as well. It must be said that the files belong to each lens, so well individually, as the lenses in the Lens.
Antwort von ed-media:
If the available sensor area considered would be the MOS-HPX301 then nearly equal to the CMOS SonyXDCAM EX1 / 3 to set the times to the point to make.
Antwort von WoWu:
Well, not quite, because still a difference of approx. 0.7 y per photo area for 1 / 2 "sensor, but you may lose the 1 / 3" sensor of this generation is no longer really with the 1 / 3 "sensor CCD / CMOS generation equate.
Antwort von Jan:
Jau Bernd,
MOS synonymous would make sense .... but that we have already discussed months ago.
Anyway, this HDMOS name in this context, absolute cheese and does not testify to the knowledge of things.
Just sad that so little is disseminated. At least in the Panasonic Consumer Division has now explained why MOS and CMOS do not.
There is no MOS chip inside, but a CMOS. Why MOS?
Simply lower license fees than for a CMOS Attribution. Whether Sonyden names CMOS "lease", I can not say.
HDMOS or HD MOS is probably synonymous such a thing again .....
VG
Jan
Antwort von WoWu:
Jan ....
... do you really still on what marketing people say?
And anyway ... since when have to Fritzen actually advertising their products?
And on the use of CMOS name is just a license fee as indicated on the name TRANSISTOR.
The marketing babble we always absurd.
Looking at the specification, it is quite clear what was in it.
And HDMOS there is probably no real doubt. This is basic physics ..... it is not compulsory for advertising Fritzen.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
... do you really still on what marketing people say? Neeeiiiinnn - the better
allwissenden and unfehlbaren Herrn W.
Herr W.: Sie haben sich schon in this discussion Ursprungsbeitrag "Herzstück der AG-HPX301E HD Cam stellt der in 1/3-Inch-Ausführung gehaltene HDMOS-Sensor dar, der auf CMOS -Technologie aufsetzt." Ob es freilich
allwissenden and unfehlbaren Herrn W.
Herr W.: Sie haben sich schon in would have helped? allwissenden and unfehlbaren Herrn W.
Herr W.: Sie haben sich schon in
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Throats but times - and then spit out more beautiful!
Antwort von WoWu:
Even as one who is pure at all what advertising Fritzen write .... and not even read the following articles .... (look at the WIKI under what is HDMOS before you the thick jaw mark, you smart aleck) .... But if you only postings on keyword level, probably no surprise that no more than haphazard Plapperei comes perpetuity.
OT What are you actually from the church back?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Even as one who is pure at all what advertising Fritzen write ... Ensure that no "Fritze advertising claims, the HPX301 would HDMOS sensors, beat the waves very high indeed ;-) But back to the curve on the subject to get s.denen probably more interested, a quick question . Since it seems Panasonic has achieved the very significant effects of the RS is now in pre-production model, at least to reduce, is it technically feasible, that the very moderate Lowlight capability in a similar way can be improved - except that the gain hochdreht and the Picture roars?
Antwort von Quadruplex:
Is it technically feasible, that the very moderate Lowlight capability in a similar way can be improved Ever, now - is pre-pre, because products have not in all respects correspond to what the manufacturer wants. Whether something is actually changed, it can reliably just another test clarified. Of course, it is possible that in the manufacturing, or in terms of optimizing it - but all the considerations in this direction but would Kaffeesatzleserei.
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Whether it is actually something changes, it can reliably just another test to clarify ... Is it clear and that is why I'm surprised something always synonymous when Vorseriengeräte be tested and one with each test result must add that it actually has no value, because the series may be different ... It was me with my question s.sich about whether it's technically possible, there still was out of. When RS was yes's maximum since the RED known that since the firmware is what to do, but Lowlight For me, a far greater problem.
Antwort von ed-media:
Phil Bloom has a few synonymous test films made according to his statements should be in its final Cam is a model act, but here are synonymous repeatedly on CAs.
http://vimeo.com/3447985Über die HPX301 gibt es of ihm synonymous eine kleine Vorstellung der Cam
http://vimeo.com/3376421 On the subject Vorseriengerät: On the Comparison of test shots Phil Bloom
of HM700 with 16x5 ,5-Fujinonoptik more prone to CA:
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Bernd
If the ggf that we have seen in the tests for a certain amount of light out with zero-gain setting is compared?
Such tests are of course nonsense.
We have received the test material and found that even with a +9 db gain, no significant noise was to be seen.
After all, you lying with the S / N distance for a 10-bit Camera synonymous at -60 db, compared to the 8-bit version of 48db. So you have a significantly higher dynamics, with which you work. In this respect relative to me the low-light problem. And tests, the 8-bit with 10-bit compare, have higher dynamic range of this course into account. Finally, I am interested in is not like the picture in comparison 0db settings looks, but only when my lower dynamic limit is reached. And that has nothing to do with 0db settings to be done.
We get our 300 in May and hope to have one of the NAB to take them.
So, we schau'n times.
Antwort von Quadruplex:
so I'm surprised something always synonymous when Vorseriengeräte tested Because the people that are sharp halt. Look
hier: Es ging um die Ankündigung neuer Modelle durch Slashcam and Videoaktiv - and schon wird nach technischen Details gefragt.
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hier: Es ging um die Ankündigung neuer Modelle durch Slashcam and Videoaktiv - and schon wird nach technischen Details gefragt.
Und was Handling etc. angeht, taugt die Vorserie ja schon.
hier: Es ging um die Ankündigung neuer Modelle durch Slashcam and Videoaktiv - and schon wird nach technischen Details gefragt.
Und was Handling etc. angeht, taugt die Vorserie ja schon.
