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Testphase mit der neuen Cam - erster Clip

Test phase with the new Cam - First Clip



Frage von charletto:
März 2009

Hi,

had already created a number of contributions - with some very good constructive feedback - and now just wanted my first clip to the view that:

http://www.vimeo.com/3512556

No big deal and it is criticism - or praise - synonymous welcome.
Must be synonymous Vimeo commendable, and the short Uploadteit part runs without problems - as opposed to Videocommunity.com, where there are only problems with the upload, etc. has given - that they are fixed at the debiting.

LG
Charly



Antwort von Debonnaire:

Gääähhhnnn! Sorry!

The same with if I had 20 pictures in PowerPoint made. What you strive for ne FILM camera? 25 frames per second, which is basically nothing other than make us ne handful of stills (ev linksrechtsanimiert) to present?

Oh, and very remarkable, I found the variety of text defamiliarization NLEs thy ways! Goods in the header really have any? And why did you Nachvornedurchdiebuchstabenstrahleneffekt twice used? Since it would surely be a further effect is not already used to, so at least the header of variety in the film brings!

If you this criticism seems harsh, I recommend you the very conscious reading this thread: http://forum.slashcam.de/zweierlei-ma-vp343297.html?sid=42ed321db20b174ad20a38ec7715cb81#343297

Then you see your movies, perhaps even with new, less glassy eyes transfigured ... ;-)

Listening now do not like to shoot, just throw us your works then again, if you think my advice s.Schluss long contribution in the aforementioned thread have heeded!



Antwort von bgk:

I had just waited on it that Debonnaire Topics accepts this ... ;-)

In other words this means: Less "effect" in titles, this readable (time to capture type), soft visors only used wherever it makes sense dramaturgically in slices and visors a little more to the picture content and the timing of eight (eg Zoomfahrten in and out, fits in with the music, etc.) and ultimately was the rest of this area is the intention for the static shots, but this can be somewhat synonymous with moving images (and thus is not wild Herumgeschwenke and zappelnde handheld camera meant) across .

I would be interested to know what camera with the recordings were made.

And D's thread-Tip is still synonymous replaced:





Antwort von charletto:

Hi BGK,
Cam is the JVC GY HD 110 - the film, I am a little criticism and the effect I had loaded header no longer rausgenommen or geändertz because I had no time. The film is purely just to test the Cam has been made - not s.den few rainy hours the last few weeks - was also cut relatively quickly, I would not be finished film with a long preparation and post it - but only a short clip (unprocessed) as HD upload times in the forum because of my camera up to the Statement of Lutz Dickmann rather negative criticism was to be found - so please be really pure Antesten take the camera - in my regular finished shooting games, such title does not - and the crossfades actually made synonymous adapted s.die scenes - otherwise ONLY the hard cut.
To Debonnaire:
Even after your statement, I will not contact the ball home - for me, and keeps the whole hobby - to me is fun and also I had already mentioned before, why I mentioned this clip here.
It is synonymous but nowhere in the rules here exclusively productions of recognized and well-known studios may be presented.

LG
Charly



Antwort von shipoffools:

I always wonder what the motivation was, the videographers to test drive their films online. You will probably never make me ...
Nobody, but nobody really synonymous, wants a test film by a apparent Amateurs, rotated with his new look. ... and certainly not endless 283 seconds!

But since you apparently synonymous s.Kritik for your movie're interested, I would like to express a little synonymous.
You call your movie "The Nice thalers lakes. Your pictures show only the general courses, images, s.tausenden lakes and resorts throughout Europe is being carried out. Nothing really typical of what this unique landscape as presented, with the exception of a signpost, in the vicinity of these lakes is s.der place ... but I was almost asleep.
Verruckelte pans, duck to the left, duck to the right, einlullernde Music (ZEN for the poor ...) and, as so often, not original. A few ducks were cackling's maybe a little relaxed. The whole thing then great effect between title and packed with the usual film-Geluller "started. Ne, so neee ...
And then the usual justification: no time ... no final cut, bla bla bla. It just annoying. Again to eavesdropping: You should not unfinished, half-edited film with mediocre material to the public present. It is something his family or friends, who then wohwollenden with eyes and a tribute of praise, but not in a positive critique film forum for raw materials expected.

No, sorry, but the motivation is never really open up to me ...



Antwort von RickyMartini:

As a camera test video is quite ok. Only the header is a bit too thick and degenerate IMO for its own sake alone with the 25s.
You see that man with the JVC very nice sharpness can walk. The observation of nature like me quite well.
Spring Fever is now so slow for me awakened. :)
The video really is balm for the eyes, on video portals usually only get to see scrap - but then the videos are not even testing!

Ich hab mir grad Casino viewed and am therefore mercifully voted when I see clean images. ;)



Antwort von charletto:

Hi RickyMartin,
Thank you for your positive comments on my clip. The preload is too thick - and synonymous to long for the clip - 100% I'll give you quite so. I had the lack of time but not more rausgenommen - mea culpa - and since the film anyway just as a test for the camera is running, it's been really minor. In the original film, he is much calmer and less effective (but must be rotated - I am waiting on better weather!)
It is a pleasure for me but that you still like the pictures, the camera is a great part and I regret not a second, she bought! For statement of shipoffools
I would have been glad if I test some movies in a similar nature here in the forum to one or the other camera had been and not just static pictures with some test images. Ultimately, it is not always the opportunity to get the camera at any `Fachhändler'auszuleihen before some 1000s in such a partially invested

And perhaps one or the other, the question of the quality of the images this camera a little closer, this is one of the objectives was the attempt with this clip.

Again to debonnaire:
Since you so seeehr expertise seem to have, at least with regard to the frequency of your statements here in the forum is concerned, I would be interested of course, because where can you see your perfect productions. I would be burning interested in how such a plant looks like gods - from your profile is, unfortunately, because nothing like this show?

LG
Charly



Antwort von B.DeKid:

"charletto" wrote:
I had the lack of time but not more rausgenommen


Thou shalt no more but you apologize, you did so geamcht the gefiehl you and is good. And cut out what it can with Virtualdub in Direct Stream procedure in approximately 30 sec 1 min aka Total editing time.

.....................

Pans I find a pity that the so-bucking.
Music is shit, because prefer 2-3 pieces together, the quasi introduction, main section concludes.
This material then the image as synonymous start the morning, midday, evening.

Empty forest is synonymous not as a bearer of more movements, I would have wished. (In the form of eg. Animals or humans)

MfG
B. DeKid

PS: Otherwise, tell what the times for an effect is, with what program you what worked and what did Tripod and whether to use Lightbouncer etc came. Just things that are interesting to others.



Antwort von Debonnaire:

"charletto" wrote:
To Debonnaire:
(...) It is synonymous but nowhere in the rules here exclusively productions of recognized and well-known studios may be presented.

Absolutely true, and therefore I advised you synonymous, the shooting does not give up!

But, let's face it: What do / you can of the world (us) with such a movie is actually saying? "For her people, synonymous I've done it the ON button on my camera and find them in the general direction of daisies to keep!" And: "Oh no, in the finished film, I would have the title done quite differently and obviously hard cuts used ONLY!"

Why, if you all already know machst dus not ready and publizierst ONLY THEN! Why must every clip-chen, as soon as it is a very first test rendering has focused on mandatory three and a half minutes and a Vimeo upload time later zugänglch made the world be?

"charletto" wrote:
The preload is too thick - and synonymous to long for the clip - 100% I'll give you quite so. I had the lack of time but not more rausgenommen

"Lack of time"? What is a "lack of time"? - Do you have a deadline, you must adhere to the delivery of your camera TEST movies? Is there a rule somewhere that Ruckelschwenks Nette thalers of the lakes under time pressure yet on Saturday night just before 19 clock SHOULD be online?

I habs elsewhere already said: You have only ONE opportunity to make a first impression to make! - Why do not these two days and a reflective work about the film later IMPRESSIONS leave, instead of the endorphin-hype of the first "Hollywood, here I come!" (which, incidentally, I know perfectly synonymous!) with the world's poor and barren platitudes bored?

As in the thread "Zweierlei Mass" gesagt, MUSS nicht alles, nur WEIL es entstanden ist, synonymous HIER angeboten werden! Man kann sich durchaus einfach synonymous of Vimeo-ler zu Vimeo-ler cross-beweihräuchern (lassen), and gut!

Ein TESTfilm einer Camera zeigt in etwa Folgendes:
- Camera in allen/mehreren Funktionen benutzen (Blendenreihen, Gain -Reihen, Belichtungszeiten, usw.).
- Camera in unterschiedlichsten Beleuchtungsverhältnissen benutzen (Morgengrauen, Mittagslicht, blaue Abendstunde, Nacht, Kunstlicht Glühlampe, Kunstlicht Leuchtstoffröhre, Kunstlicht Halogen, Kerzenlicht, usw.)
- Weissabgleichsreihen anfertigen (Auto, Kunstlicht, Neon, Schatten, K, usw.).
- Zoomleistung/-bereich ausloten (max. Weitwinkel (Verzerrung? Vignettierung?), Normalbereich, max. Tele, usw.).
- Schärfeleistung des Objekts aufzeigen (kleinste Strukturen, Schärfeverlagerungen. usw.).
- Gegenlichtsituation austesten (Fringing, CA, usw.).

DAS, gibt Aussagen die die Eigenschaften and Qualität einer Camera erkennen lassen! DAS sind Experimente, die synonymous DU dir of einem Kameratest wünschst, bevor du eine Camera kaufst!

Die Bildchen, die du with deiner Camera aufgenommen and (leider!) abgeliefert hast, könntest du in wohl exakt gleicher Qualität with jeder dieser Aldi-Billig-HD-Kisten präzise gleich herstellen. HD-Aufnahmen of praktisch Standbildsituationen sehen echt with jeder beliebigen Camera irgenwie brauchbar bis gut aus. Du hast ja noch nicht mal versucht, im diesigweissen Schlechtwetterspätwinterhimmel etwas Sehenswertes via die Belichtung in der Camera hinzukriegen!

Aber WENN man dann with dem Film hier aufkreuzt and eben sogar Kritik VERLANGT, dann diese with Size annehmen and einfach UMSETZEN, statt plärren and erklären WIESO es Kacke ist and dass man es ja eigentlich (ohne Zeitdruck... yeah, right...) viiieeelll besser hätte machen WOLLEN (können???)!

"charletto" wrote:
"Zweierlei Mass" gesagt, MUSS nicht alles, nur WEIL es entstanden ist, synonymous HIER angeboten werden! Man kann sich durchaus einfach synonymous of Vimeo-ler zu Vimeo-ler cross-beweihräuchern (lassen), and gut!

Ein TESTfilm einer Camera zeigt in etwa Folgendes:
- Camera in allen/mehreren Funktionen benutzen (Blendenreihen, Gain -Reihen, Belichtungszeiten, usw.).
- Camera in unterschiedlichsten Beleuchtungsverhältnissen benutzen (Morgengrauen, Mittagslicht, blaue Abendstunde, Nacht, Kunstlicht Glühlampe, Kunstlicht Leuchtstoffröhre, Kunstlicht Halogen, Kerzenlicht, usw.)
- Weissabgleichsreihen anfertigen (Auto, Kunstlicht, Neon, Schatten, K, usw.).
- Zoomleistung/-bereich ausloten (max. Weitwinkel (Verzerrung? Vignettierung?), Normalbereich, max. Tele, usw.).
- Schärfeleistung des Objekts aufzeigen (kleinste Strukturen, Schärfeverlagerungen. usw.).
- Gegenlichtsituation austesten (Fringing, CA, usw.).

DAS, gibt Aussagen die die Eigenschaften and Qualität einer Camera erkennen lassen! DAS sind Experimente, die synonymous DU dir of einem Kameratest wünschst, bevor du eine Camera kaufst!

Die Bildchen, die du with deiner Camera aufgenommen and (leider!) abgeliefert hast, könntest du in wohl exakt gleicher Qualität with jeder dieser Aldi-Billig-HD-Kisten präzise gleich herstellen. HD-Aufnahmen of praktisch Standbildsituationen sehen echt with jeder beliebigen Camera irgenwie brauchbar bis gut aus. Du hast ja noch nicht mal versucht, im diesigweissen Schlechtwetterspätwinterhimmel etwas Sehenswertes via die Belichtung in der Camera hinzukriegen!

Aber WENN man dann with dem Film hier aufkreuzt and eben sogar Kritik VERLANGT, dann diese with Size annehmen and einfach UMSETZEN, statt plärren and erklären WIESO es Kacke ist and dass man es ja eigentlich (ohne Zeitdruck... yeah, right...) viiieeelll besser hätte machen WOLLEN (können???)!

Since you so seeehr expertise seem to have, at "Zweierlei Mass" gesagt, MUSS nicht alles, nur WEIL es entstanden ist, synonymous HIER angeboten werden! Man kann sich durchaus einfach synonymous of Vimeo-ler zu Vimeo-ler cross-beweihräuchern (lassen), and gut!

Ein TESTfilm einer Camera zeigt in etwa Folgendes:
- Camera in allen/mehreren Funktionen benutzen (Blendenreihen, Gain -Reihen, Belichtungszeiten, usw.).
- Camera in unterschiedlichsten Beleuchtungsverhältnissen benutzen (Morgengrauen, Mittagslicht, blaue Abendstunde, Nacht, Kunstlicht Glühlampe, Kunstlicht Leuchtstoffröhre, Kunstlicht Halogen, Kerzenlicht, usw.)
- Weissabgleichsreihen anfertigen (Auto, Kunstlicht, Neon, Schatten, K, usw.).
- Zoomleistung/-bereich ausloten (max. Weitwinkel (Verzerrung? Vignettierung?), Normalbereich, max. Tele, usw.).
- Schärfeleistung des Objekts aufzeigen (kleinste Strukturen, Schärfeverlagerungen. usw.).
- Gegenlichtsituation austesten (Fringing, CA, usw.).

DAS, gibt Aussagen die die Eigenschaften and Qualität einer Camera erkennen lassen! DAS sind Experimente, die synonymous DU dir of einem Kameratest wünschst, bevor du eine Camera kaufst!

Die Bildchen, die du with deiner Camera aufgenommen and (leider!) abgeliefert hast, könntest du in wohl exakt gleicher Qualität with jeder dieser Aldi-Billig-HD-Kisten präzise gleich herstellen. HD-Aufnahmen of praktisch Standbildsituationen sehen echt with jeder beliebigen Camera irgenwie brauchbar bis gut aus. Du hast ja noch nicht mal versucht, im diesigweissen Schlechtwetterspätwinterhimmel etwas Sehenswertes via die Belichtung in der Camera hinzukriegen!

Aber WENN man dann with dem Film hier aufkreuzt and eben sogar Kritik VERLANGT, dann diese with Size annehmen and einfach UMSETZEN, statt plärren and erklären WIESO es Kacke ist and dass man es ja eigentlich (ohne Zeitdruck... yeah, right...) viiieeelll besser hätte machen WOLLEN (können???)!

least with regard to the frequency of your statements here in the forum is concerned, I would be interested of course, because where can you see your perfect productions. I would be burning for i



Antwort von domain:

"charletto" wrote:

Again to debonnaire:
Since you so seeehr expertise seem to have, at least with regard to the frequency of your statements here in the forum is concerned, I would be interested of course, because where can you see your perfect productions. I would be burning interested in how such a plant looks like gods.


This is a frequently mentioned argument, which is the case with nothing to do. Because everybody needs art critic and / or collector itself synonymous paint or write.
Criticize This is an entirely separate and necessary function in the art.
I am trained to Juror amateur championships movie even without that I would have won great prices.
The films were evaluated mostly pretty weak and there were rarely outstanding. One of the participants was http://www.rumi-film.at/index.php?i=Regisseur times
in which I foresaw a professional future, which is then synonymous occurred. His films were for amateur ratios was already really excellent and above average.
So it is not impossible in the Amateureihen step outside and into the ranks of the successful progress.



Antwort von Rolf Hankel:

"charletto" wrote:
Hi,

had already created a number of contributions - with some very good constructive feedback - and now just wanted my first clip to the view that:

http://www.vimeo.com/3512556

No big deal and it is criticism - or praise - synonymous welcome.
Must be synonymous Vimeo commendable, and the short Uploadteit part runs without problems - as opposed to Videocommunity.com, where there are only problems with the upload, etc. has given - that they are fixed at the debiting.

LG
Charly


Hello Charly

As a first test of your new movie Cam, I find the movie much (I even show nature films and movies with my success in the public)
Personally, I was the music a bit too "lame", but that is a matter of taste and then I miss the background noise so little atmosphere, but it is just a test movie.
Incidentally, we in the Black Forest is currently in the nature is still nothing happening to your cam and I envy you.
How did you made the header? I like it.
Gruss Rolf ...



Antwort von nachtspion:

I am glad that there are those videos!

I do not like it for other things, but I have really not the money to me to buy multiple cameras. At the time I visit daily Vimeo such material exactly as posted above to sift through. If I would wait for everybody to finished film with the Cam would upload, I could not have its own impression, because it would give no videos.

Based on Vimeo as I can tell the HV30 simply a Camera is madness, just like the HF100. And the Panasonic and Sony are worlds away. If I am now alone on the test reports in the media should leave, I would probably be a SonySR12 buy what is s.Ende as error control.

I'm just not synonymous to that of the camera to the test "buys" and then to be appointed 14 days Rücktritsrecht want. I gave myself in advance, as I said, just on a video with an overview of the market. Together with the test reports I meet a purchasing decision.

So happy to send next test footage, which he so synonymous has stressed on several occasions. There is no film. He just wanted to show what his camera can. Vimeo is full of them, and rightly so.



Antwort von charletto:

Hi,

So Atmo was as good as any, because at the time of filming hazezu wind was gaggle of ducks, I had rausgenommen. Tripod, the Manfrotto 351 MVB 501er HDV and head, program title and PP2 effects of Vitaszene 1/Prodad. no Lightbouncer etc.
The aim was to make the camera quality and reasonably represent not only to test reports drawn up.
Lack of time was in the form, if I had the preload rausgenommen, the whole movie again would have to convert, and it takes synonymous with the short clip in PP2 but some time. Therefore, just uploaded, as I finished it was the first made.

LG
Charly



Antwort von shipoffools:

The test films with various camcorders for potential buyers and are important, can not be denied. But a test movie contains content in the form of picture and sound, the viewer / listener clear information on the device itself, provide, similar as it Debonnaire already described above. Moreover, there is the name of that with which you rotated the test film, which neither you nor Vimeo here at the start of the thread did. The whole thing then as information for potential buyers to defend the Camera, is more than brash.

Who then but this is a clip online, this information provides only very limited, only a very limited statement about the quality of making the viewer / listener is bored to death and then writes the following:

"charletto" wrote:
...
No big deal and it is criticism - or praise - synonymous welcome.
...


Do not hope that he meets with benign criticism.

The following sentence is still the crowning glory:
"charletto" wrote:
...
So Atmo was as good as any, because at the time of filming hazezu wind was gaggle of ducks, I had rausgenommen ....


Um's times simple way: "Atmo" is always and everywhere, with the exception in a vacuum. Bewusst Atmos one hears in this film are not, but if they have not been included, it is like in the music with the bass, if he is not there something missing. Even in the quietest room, you can record and Atmos does so synonymous. The gaggle of ducks in a separate phase for a few minutes just for the sound recorded at first and then a wide shot, where only a lake can be seen, placed, then the ducks in a larger setting, the whole thing would have been somewhat rounded. And if it is windy, you can make such an atmosphere with the internal micro easily absorb, synonymous with no windshield.
Moreover, it would be for a test film was just interesting to hear how the internal Micro noise with the band recording, even in relatively quiet surroundings.
Sorry, but for a "test movie" is because your clip went pretty well, synonymous when a few nice settings were there.



Antwort von meawk:

Jo - is now well, I think. Man, man - here is all but synonymous only niedergeprügelt. Keep it out of the ball flat and let the boys but their videos show. Do not all equal in terms of absolute professionalism traded. Professionals are required and should not comment on and criticize. . . If a Flimchen, which was published on Vimeo and so bad it is now not synonymous.

I say - and so next let not upset, because that always make it here in the forum. At least what you're doing - go out and film something, while the upper clever Dauermiesmacher / - critics here can only draw down, but do not strictly represent.



Antwort von RickyMartini:

I like to write it again - in comparison to the vast majority of hosting video clips here is the balm!
The camera pans not undefined in the Pampa rum, the pictures are not blurred and the screen assembly is not synonymous incorrectly used.
When the bad weather conditions in winter, it is really very difficult time to find a few usable pictures in his spare time to make.

@ Debonnaire
I know you very much but now I have the feeling that you're too much into what only purely growing! ;)
Constructive criticism IMO it looks a bit different. It could be smooth for you D. Bohlen hold!

Now comes the movie classics grad convoi!
At the outset, although a spot in the truck mirror, but I give Sam Peckinpah is still a chance! ;)



Antwort von Debonnaire:

"meawk" wrote:
Do not all equal in terms of absolute professionalism traded. Professionals are required and should not comment on and criticize. . .

Alright, then I was actually quite: Amateurs kommentieren the fuss of clumsy amateurs! Vimeo and YouTube-ler-ler among themselves. Rated mediocre mediocre! - Cool stuff! But: Is it that their so-WIDE comes further developed and what you LEARN? - Oh, yes, but actually go to the critique request here do not matter really what to LEARN, but wants only one primary and read that it was great and so has the blessing from the hobbyist to hobbyist to maintain. So in the style: "Tell me that it is good or say nothing!" - Yeah, what this brings!

"RickyMartini" wrote:
@ Debonnaire
It could be smooth for you D. Bohlen hold!

... for which I now have the greatest respect!

Previously, he has me in Luxor until just simply annoyed and then amused. Meanwhile, I see that he - and pointedly formulated borderline, yes - actually sleepwalking with precision exactly true, what is wrong and the whole singing-Eleven just plain short version says exactly what is!

I think that we here should be handled when someone calls criticism. Apparently I was with this view, but mostly wrong, because one does not "criticism" seeks, but simply to an individual, subjective verbrämten and endorphingeschwängerten view!

Me, not prevent, in the best, the current style next to a comment!

So: Who s.kann this is not the criticism but does not require post ONLY on Vimeo and Co. and impatiently await the admiring shoulder knocking the same wicked!



Antwort von mannamanna:

"domain" wrote:
"charletto" wrote:

Again to debonnaire:
Since you so seeehr expertise seem to have, at least with regard to the frequency of your statements here in the forum is concerned, I would be interested of course, because where can you see your perfect productions. I would be burning interested in how such a plant looks like gods.


This is a frequently mentioned argument, which is the case with nothing to do. Because everybody needs art critic and / or collector itself synonymous paint or write.


Sure, but the enormous degree s.an Ereiferung overheat, which Debonnaire to light occurs, suggests that the more emotionally to it, perhaps the frustration over their own inability to create what? - And criticism, much in the inherent anger, frustration and bitter aggression and non-formal mode is reflected, in their enormous, especially criticized the matter is far in excess of, charged for others not quite understand, because she always says something else entirely and synonymous as unjustified - a big performance on the ego-stage in an absurd piece of the most inside of the person with self-re-ur-listed.



Antwort von bgk:

Hu, now it's funny ... ;-)



Antwort von Debonnaire:

"BGK" wrote:
Hu, now it's funny ... ;-)

Do you?

The badly written contribution of flat, which probably should be high, reflecting the letter but nothing has taken over as in the barely comprehensible and vorallem only halbkorrekten formulations that's certainly not!



Antwort von B.DeKid:

Hey Charly

Ok, regarding new convert.

Virtualdub download - open and load the clip inside - the cut s.Stelle scroll - In Point set - before scrolling - OutPoint Place - go to Video - Direct Stream Select (Audio is already on Direct Stream) - press F7 (Save s.Avi) - wait - Done.

No further conversion is needed.

Only this step if you still can not test.

MfG
B. DeKid



Antwort von Fenek:

Hello charletto
we had taken s.den lakes .. and talked briefly.

When you watch your clips fell on me,
that I have a grin on the face had
and the idea s.eine nicer, wämere season,
which is now finally back anbricht.
Thank you,
which was exactly 4:43, the course was not spectacular,
but a kind of balm for the soul dastellten.

The original sound (Vögel. ..) etc. I have been missing.

the clip of you I can hardly judge
this makes our DatenEinSchlafWeg simply destroy.
permanently halt it ... No it is not s.Calculator ..
It's here in our village ...



Antwort von B.DeKid:

"Fenek" wrote:
.....
permanently halt it ...


Orbit Downloader ;-)



Antwort von charletto:

Hallöchen Fenek,
nice synonymous here to meet, was a very nice conversation and I am therefore particularly pleased.
Well, I'll give to that I had the O-ton can be, but what it was only a small clip so times for attunement to ne nicer seasons - we tested with a new cam and the like at least some of it - that's Balsam for me ....!

Maybe you meet again - am very happy in the park in Arcen, perhaps you could time together because what do. Happy to
charlinsky (at) t-online.de

I would be very pleased to hear of thee

LG
Charly




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