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Das Ende der Low-Cost Formate?!

The end of low-cost format?



Frage von Giliath:
Mai 2010

Hi,
I would ask the question on the provisional guidelines of the major TV stations on the technical requirements. I have read that only a subsampling of 4:2:2 is allowed. So the format: XDCam and P2-HD422 with AVC-I, 100th Is there any camcorder in video journalism (under 10,000 ¬) which meet these conditions?

Best regards



Antwort von Schleichmichel:

Canon XF300/-305, with some specifications for the chip is too small. That seemed Doris Dorrie not to keep from making a movie with the EX3.

I expect something really synonymous headwind from the Bildschaffenden to these specifications. For example, a Picture for HDTV evaluations be as noise-and grain-free, since the compression is usually in the knees. You can see that already in some Blurays that even there the rate is too small. Maybe one wants a grainy picture (again, "Eyes Wide Shut" as an example) ...



Antwort von newsart:

Good that there are the technical specifications that help with help to keep s.Bildqualität a certain level. But - and this is nothing new - on paper. I now work for more than 20 Jahen for various TV stations. State-run, private, national and international. Never material was rejected because it is not the "specifications" technically equivalent. And just recently, we have again sold a documentary (35 min) incorporated in the image lines are the single chip with DV (!)-Cams were rotated in 4:3. If voting content and style to None cares more about technical specifications or EBU guidelines. Who controls to tell interesting topics gripping, the film is its tip or perhaps synonymous with turning the I-Phone. Conversely, just will not do. Therefore, Doris Dorrie synonymous with the EX make great movies. Therefore, serenity, as far as the "Special fictions". In 20 years I work only once a measurement protocol to decrease with supposedly raised black level was presented. After my shrug the season was still transmitted unchanged and received several international awards ...





Antwort von Pianist:

"Giliath" wrote:
I have read that only a subsampling of 4:2:2 is allowed. So the format: XDCam and P2-HD422 with AVC-I, 100th Is there any camcorder in video journalism (under 10,000 ¬) which meet these conditions?

You've probably read the "Cameraman", where there is an article about this IRT-directive, which we have discussed here some time ago. I think it's good first time that IRT had provided clear minimum standards: True 1920 x 1080 pixels, Farbsubsampling 4:2:2, 3x2/3-Inch-Chips, the use of HD lenses. Furthermore, I like it natural that the Avid DNxHD codec is particularly praised by IRT. What is beyond me, however: Why is only of XDCamHD-422 (50 megabits per second) and P2 with AVC-I 100 (100 megabits per second) as an acquisition format, the question then and exactly the camera is forgotten, the right in the DNxHD Codec takes, namely, the Ikegami Editcam HD, which records either with a data rate of 120 or 220 megabits per second. However, I do believe that there are no objections against the use of this camera, as this is now of many companies and is used significantly more moves in the direction of HDCAM SR than any other format.

Presumably it is for people with small cameras synonymous still be able to work in specific niches in order for TV, but overall I think it is good and right that the requirements are set so high that the big camera is again the norm. The IRT has at least extra stresses that there can be reasons to shoot with small cameras, for example in video journalism and in crisis areas. It was also formulated so synonymous that there are different strands, which are different requirements. Thus the highest demands are placed there where so far with Super 16 or 35mm was rotated. So it is not about to take away the pan-regional studio Eickel the EX3, but rather the question of which one turns accompanying reports on a World Cup or city views on a great concert broadcast. And ultimately, it is synonymous to go about making one a "crime scene" turns.

My clientele is sitting although largely outside the media industry, so I rarely technical discussions must lead, but the paper of IRT is a good argument if this theme is again because of what someone told me small cameras.

Matthias



Antwort von Giliath:

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So it is not about to take away the pan-regional studio Eickel the EX3 [...]

Hehe, nicely said. But in my experience, is for regional TV stations, networks have an EX3 pure utopia. There often is still SD to mini DV rotated. Why take synonymous what else, if the cost / expense is not justified. Finally, one can turn a lot of commercials for small businesses to pay for itself an EX3.

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The IRT has at least extra stresses that there can be reasons to shoot with small cameras, for example in video journalism and in crisis areas.

Well yes, but for VJ camcorder there will surely synonymous a "pain threshold", right?



Antwort von camworks:

I was surprised, rather, that there von3: 1:1 DVCPRO HD was talking with (or because I was blatantly verpeilt). as far as I know, that's 4:2:2 ...



Antwort von Pianist:

"Giliath" wrote:
But in my experience, is for regional TV stations, networks have an EX3 pure utopia. There often is still SD to mini DV rotated. Why take synonymous what else, if the cost / expense is not justified. Finally, one can turn a lot of commercials for small businesses to pay for itself an EX3.

I ought to write that: "... the pan-regional studio WDR Eickel ..." (If there is one). The IRT is only the technical-scientific body of public transport, so it has no effect on private broadcasters, although they are based often s.dessen rules. Television and small towns may not naturally turn synonymous with a platinum camera when they feel like it.

Matthias



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Giliath" wrote:
... XDCam-HD422 and. .. AVC-I, 100th Is there any camcorder in video journalism (under 10,000 ¬) which meet these conditions? ...

XDCAM HD422 begins until much about it s.and AVC-I 100 are under 10 000 ¬ synonymous only in the HPX301 or 371st However, would also have just about every other camcorder in connection with the NanoFlash in question. But as I said: These guidelines are not set in stone and should in practice far more often ignored than to be respected - and by far not only in the VJ field.



Antwort von Pianist:

"CAMWorks" wrote:
I was surprised, rather, that there von3: 1:1 DVCPRO HD was talking with (or because I was blatantly verpeilt). as far as I know, that's 4:2:2 ...

I won, which is actually in there because in the introduction, but should not occur s.sich in this list. Or is there some version where DVCProHD 3:1:1 with works? Sure I know only of HDCAM (not SR). The problem in DVCProHD is rather that many cameras are in circulation, where the chip is not true 1920 by 1080 pixels makes. This upscale looks directly Comparison of fairly catastrophic. Contrast, the question whether I have a s.meiner Camera SD or HD Lens, rather secondary. I've tried out everything. Even with HD lens provides an upscaled picture from bad to worse.

Now I have re-read in the Directive: DNxHD is indeed fully usable, it is even in some areas assumed that it is the "only possible" format. I suppose that is to say in German, that one a Fieldpak directly embedded in the OB truck and what can immediately send it. If yes synonymous indeed true.

Matthias




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