Frage von Auf Achse:
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I am (on the search for the correct filter for my camera, Canon XH A1s). According to my research, either a UV filter or an infrared filter (used, Heliopan 103). Both serve to block the unwanted Lichwellen, which can lead to undesirable effects.
Why is one part of the other recommended a UV-IR filter, which is (the difference in adverse effects;) apart of the different wavelengths of light. And now the final question: Which one should now really fit ... or both??
Thanks and regards,
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Antwort von LarsProgressiv:
Welcome to axis
very interesting topic.
Use in any case 2 external filter on top. That would change the optical properties of the beam path too much.
But maybe this will help you
help
Synonymous, I'm still waiting for an answer, to decide.
Mainly, however, I use such a filter as synonymous mechanical lens cover.
Regards
Lars
Antwort von Auf Achse:
Keep in touch!
Very detailed with thread really have scientific grounds - great! My questions are thus not yet been answered.
"Ruessel" in his blog recommends the use of an IR filter on his XH A1. I find his subjects to be well and especially with the laboratory resources! But he is the only one that I'm the one previously encountered IR instead of a UV filter "permanently" (; and also recommended to protect the front lens). And that interested me of course! Besides, I do not want to spend about 100 ¬ and draufschrauben lens onto something without knowing the implications! Draufschrauben the right thing and I want to know WHY.
Greetings, On Axis
Antwort von EThie:
Hello,
a good example of why IR / UV filter is useful to you find here: http://www.vimeo.com/4791723
1. I use for my FX7 a UV filter, less because of the anti-haze effect, but as a lens.
2. The camera has CMOS sensors, which are very IR sensitive (; not you take a davorhalten IR remote control during recording. My old XM1 with CCDs is less sensitive to IR, which has resulted in negligible chromatic aberrations.
There are filters that filter out both UV-IR as synonymous. Such a combination filter, I would recommend to CMOS cameras.
Greeting
Ethier
Antwort von Jogi:
Not everyone IR filter fits all Cams
http://provideocoalition.com/index.php/aadams/story/red_hot_mirror_shoot_out/
Antwort von WoWu:
@ On the move
... it remains true ...
no filter
is the guarantee of good pictures, especially in the HD field and one lens is the best protection for your lens.
Your camera has both Filters and unless you are in a special, very limited Lichtbereicht already have artifacts, or with a strong ND filter applications have to work, there really is (absolutely no reason your optical beam through a thin coating 30-50; again) to . influence
I even know of only one filter, that does not mean color distortion ... And I have to try a lot of filter, because we are working in areas with extremely critical light conditions.
Believe me, a filter is doing you no good services in the HD range ... And by the way, how do you go around with your camera when you need to protect the lens even permanently :-))
... what, above all things? Du Film in underground coal-mining area?
Antwort von Auf Achse:
@ WoWu
Thanks for your / your contributions to my topic! The protection factor is a big issue for me because I am with my camera moves mainly outdoor -> motorsport competitions, climbing, caves, etc. And after an hour you have (in dry weather, the mega layer of dust, not only) on the front lens. If no filter is needed, then it would in my case at least one antireflective tempered faceplate necessary. Just without the filter effect.
Does anyone know such a high-quality faceplate?
Thanks and LG,
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Antwort von EThie:
Well, now I'm confused synonymous.
One expert, Wolfgang Wunderlich here in this forum rejects Filters and protective glass, the other expert, Wolfgang Winne (; Fxsupport.de) in another forum highly recommends filters.
I tried it out himself. A difference in quality I have not noticed with the UV filter, Heliopan SH-PMC. But the front lens is dust-free. And the optical to pay back costs more than the 40 euros for the filter.
Greeting
Ethier
Antwort von Bernd E.:
The one expert ... ... ... declines, the other expert ... absolutely recommends ... I would believe what Wolfgang said ;-) But seriously: In such a case, I am always s.den expert who confirmed my own experience. And the looks that I previously two or UV filters can be broken. Without them, were but two front lenses and thus two over Lenses been - since I'm decent filter on all the front lenses and a good feeling. Picture this in the lab that the test is to measure worse, may well be, but not visible to the eye is the difference.
Antwort von EThie:
... I would believe what Wolfgang said ;-)..
Your subtle humor that reminds s.Loriot.
Nice to have you confirm my experience. "
Greeting
Ethier
Antwort von domain:
[quote = "Bernd E."]
... that to me so far and two UV filters can be broken.
When s.der Camera are broken, then I would be interested in views, which have left traces of the splinters s.der front lens. The fact is it really over.
And so, incidentally, only if the idea is so massive, as it should because then Lenses protect the young noble Digicams, where the construction is usually yes no attachment of allowed filters?
Install filters to protect Generally I consider blatant untruths, most in special situations.
That would be a compromise, right?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... When the camera s.der are broken, then I would be interested in views, which have left traces of the splinters s.der front lens ... Only one is broken, the other one was scratched, and did so graciously of breaking into a few large pieces of glass, which s.der Optics inflicting no damage.
... only if the idea is so massive, as it should because then Lenses protect the young noble Digicams, where the construction is usually yes no attachment of allowed filters? ... This is a problem indeed, but one that the manufacturers should be sorry not so: Is the camera damaged, so the customer must either pay for an expensive repair or just buy a new one.
Install filters to protect ... Generally I consider blatant untruths ... If it is about this Superbillig-Filtersets of ebay, I see that too. With quality filters or protective glasses, such as the Protect-series of Canon and would have but I have no problem draufzulassen them for permanent protection of the front lens permanently - or rather as long as needed until for some reason a different filter. Then you need Protect the filter of course, not even more.
... than in specific situations ... That would be a compromise, right? ... That would be even more than a compromise that would be ideal! Only announce themselves at risk for Optics, unfortunately, not always on time. The seat belt in the car shall be synonymous with good reason before you start driving, and not just one minutes before the accident - simply because no one knows when it crashes. However, one should question the "filter - yes or no" make no religious war: Everyone can / should decide for himself what he thinks is right.
Antwort von Valentino:
So when we have a 4x4 Clear Filter (; are just 4mm thick a Optics) in front of a very high Schade grettet.
Cause there were two small Implosätze were gleichzeigt somehow ignited.
The filter has exactly in the middle of a small "bullet" hole and was gone, but has the s.bekommen Optics nothing.
Antwort von AndreasBloechl:
I have to Recommendation of Wolgang (and I think his snout User Name) is purchased for my HF10. I could nothing negative to report, especially on holidays when I'm filming paralle sun and then I think is a Heliopan IR cut filter is not wrong.
Wolfang is synonymous Haupberuflich active in the area and has since designed many synonymous experiences synonymous can be read on his blog. The tests say I feel for him.
Antwort von B.DeKid:
I use ....
Outdoor UV filter (for protection, to the SLR and DSLR and the Video Cams with CCD)
Inside Clear filter (for protection; s.den funds and large format cameras)
Bin synonymous clear to filter, especially in outdoor sports action.
Have so far been destroyed dozens of front filter .. s.schlimmsten are "beach Sootings" - if there's a week or goes away I'll take even substitute with.
Why - well because it happened so fast, s.krassesten can be seen under black light error aka scratches .... I'm so ne small lamp, the bill is good to very good.
How come this - passing MTB or MX (; Motorcross) aka Surf or wake board. Then wipe over it fast times .... ner after week, you can then throw away such a filter.
MfG
B. DeKid
Only once has a filter glass to protect the lens is not the synonymous synonymous nen then had micro scratches .... I then have sold almost nothing s.nen friend in the pictures is the scratch "not really find" too ....
Antwort von Auf Achse:
Grüss you!
Well since I am very surprised by the many conflicting responses to my request! I would still be interested in what artifacts / image degradation occurs when one uses NO filter example. in the blazing sun or hazy clouds. What has improved in these situations, the UV filter and the IR filter?
I recognize from the many responses that the use of filters seems synonymous is a compromise. Since I will draufschrauben protection of technical reasons to a filter, I would like to know which of the two types to be used in any lighting situation.
Has this Canon Protect filter for blocking any action, or he is "just" an antireflective tempered glass?
Regards,
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Antwort von B.DeKid:
UV and IR always s.Strand or in extremely stark light.
Antwort von AndreasBloechl:
The Blog of Wolfgang but you can be synonymous with the Canon's IR cut filter on it more as a protection. I do not know when all the other cams I have a UV is everywhere on it.
I've talked so synonymous with him personally and he gave me 100% confirmed that one can see no disadvantages in lowlight. At Canon, an IR cut filter is more important than, for example Sonyweil Sonyglaube I plotting of house to which a coating lenses. But since I'm not quite sure and I miss that insider information, the only times I read somewhere.
Antwort von ruessel:
I think a simple camera test helps in choosing a filter: Does the camera (very clear, bright) with an IR remote control's infrared LED could be an IR cut filter s.Farbneutralität bring something in the Picture. We are talking here of the last 10% s.Bildqualität which we squeeze out of the small cameras. Whether I draufschraube a good UV filter for 20 Euro or a Heliopan IR cut filter for 30 euros, which was supposed to be no preference for this expensive hobby.
Note: With an IR cut filter in front of the works SonyNightshot no more!
http://www.fxsupport.de/blog/07_08.html#070720080937
The lens manufacturers to calculate their Lenses without a filter or each glass / air surface deteriorated to the paper, the lens performance. In practice, I can see it with the best of luck with my Nikon D90, but are synonymous here Image minimizes losses coated with a modern filter. (;) So no use of filter Grandpa from ebay
At the modest conditions AVCHD or HDV resolution, I even doubt that someone can feel good to use a filter at all ....
Antwort von AndreasBloechl:
Well there you are finally and announce yourself to speak. I already thought you are not represented here.)
That with the Sonywußte I do not know about the good but when Sonyhabe damn good years, a Hoya UV on it. Synonymous'm never satisfied and make the down, can not identify any synonymous disadvantages.
Antwort von Auf Achse:
Servus Ruessel!
Thank you for your evidence to my inquiry. On your blog is synonymous to finally have a very clear explanation what actually happens if NO IR filter is screwed.
But since I'm just a specific question s.dich: I downloaded me your presets for the Canon XH A1 and after my recent experiments I have found that a really satisfactory combination of colors in different light situations. Are your presets synonymous for the XH A1s, because according to my research, the lens has been redesigned to reduce the chromatic aberrations. What impact does this revision do you think of the presets? What impact has the further use of the IR filter on the presets? Because if so a more natural -> OTHER color balance arises, one should take into account the so synonymous in the presets and zurückkorrigieren gegenenfalls.
Finally, I want you for your very clear, scientifically and empirically based information on your thank you page. I think it's great if you and others your / your experience available to other Interressiert doing!
Greetings, On Axis
Antwort von ruessel:
Are your presets synonymous for the XH A1s, because according to my research, the lens has been redesigned to reduce the chromatic aberrations. Yes, they work properly on the "s" version. Chromatic aberrations were hardly reduced, which is really just a rumor.
What impact does this revision do you think of the presets? What impact has the further use of the IR filter on the presets? None at all. The filter only works with IR radiation, which should not lead to a change in the camcorder before the image.
Antwort von Auf Achse:
Servus Ruessel!
Thanks for the info! Have me of Canon `s aberration expected something more :-(;
Regards,
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