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Hochzeit filmen mit Vx 2100 und Sony HC9: 4:3 oder 16:9

Wedding film with Vx 2100 and SonyHC9: 4:3 or 16:9



Frage von ALEXIUS1984:
Juli 2010

hello all together!

have a small problem:

I want to shoot a wedding next Saturday and have the vx 2100 (DV, DV 16:9 or 4:3 mode) and the sony hc 9 (16:9 or 4:3 DV, HDV, 16:9) for disposal.

as hauptcam front with the altar I will use the vx 2100, which comes on the back nine hc gallery, a totaal of getting back.

my difficult question arises now because of the fact that both cams have different resolutions (4:3 and 16:9).
There are now several possibilities:
1) VX2100 in 4:3 and 4:3 HC9 switch to dv
2) VX2100 switch to 16:9 mode false and HC9 have to 16:9 (in this falll it would be synonymous with the recordings of the HC9 hdv 16:9 mode and then later to include the capture to convert dv)

I ask for your opinions and advices!

Dankl many many!

lg alex



Antwort von Jott:

The 16:9 Fakemodus the old camera is so horribly bad that you should not even think s.diese option in a dream. All in DV 4:3 would go, but that's just of yesterday, everyone has the 16:9 television at home.

So forget the old DV-mill and lend you for a few euros to some small HD Camera - ideally, of course, a second HC 9 (or HC3 / 7), then adjusts the optical synonymous together.



Antwort von ALEXIUS1984:

I have even a second HC9, but in my meinug to the terms of image quality HC9 far worse than the vx 2100th





Antwort von Jott:

"ALEXIUS1984" wrote:
I have even a second HC9, but in my meinug to the terms of image quality HC9 far worse than the vx 2100th


How do you get that idea? HDV is miles better than anything that has ever been a consumer DV camera gave of himself. Right do you have in Comparison, if you with the HC9 DV mode aufnimmst, as this is just a kind of emergency. That would indeed be nonsense.



Antwort von ALEXIUS1984:

do you think of? the optics of the HC9 is dooch much worse, the intensity of the vx 2100 but is synonymous much better! hc roars as the nine other hand, much more ...



Antwort von ALEXIUS1984:

ie if I want to use vx 2100 and the HC9 only for the rear than total, gibts there then any combination possibility?



Antwort von ALEXIUS1984:

I meant GOOD or any combination better possibility?



Antwort von Jott:

With the light you're quite right. Recent small HD cameras are there but ran.



Antwort von Axel:

It would make the weakest component - in terms of obsolete aspect ratio and resolution - the standard. Should you even, for the wrong widescreen mode is actually the bad too much. Then go. Lowlight The factor may well be decisive in a church.

I've always been against it already, too much of the art performance to steal a glance at the. Wedding videos are staged, however, no beads, in guiding the brazen restriction of funds to draw attention to the great design. There are glossy pictures, the velvet and silk as materials prefer not jute. Jott is right (as it already knows the Bible): 4:3 is out, and SD is allowed only in the form of a DVD, and synonymous only then, if you can guess no resolution limits. So, the 360P-skateboard web clips their DV-Cam, the wedding filmer HD.

My last wedding movie with the VX2000 I have made synonymous, when it was already HD - but there was market saturation with flat panels estimated 2%, now it should be at least 50%. Good for the movie was? If he does. The camera work is shit, rotated by Draufhalter Axel, but the concept haut rein: The toughest spill forward as many views of emotion, joy and love, there is not a dry eye. Has nothing to do with Resolutiongar, photographed a smooth exchange of rings in fullest HD from 5 feet away from the tripod can only freeze the blood. If you somehow comforting.



Antwort von ALEXIUS1984:

what does that mean exactly?



Antwort von pilskopf:

Makes my HC9 no worse than it is. With fully turned up Aperture, I would not turn now synonymous but if you dim the 2-3 aperture minimized, so synonymous the noise behavior, otherwise you get a noise reduction and editing the material, you can get a lot out of the material is still out, it must not be like a new cam. The HC9 is not bad if one sets with her apart.

SD in 4:3 will not see a pig more reserves except the grandma look with its tube, otherwise vollkommmen out the format, just right to SD when people look at the films on its 46 inch TVs, imo is not the contemporary, not synonymous for the network. I myself synonymous guck on Vimeo no SD video, you see it just now and what SD if I can have HD? The SD Resolutionist just ridiculously small and no longer fits into the TV except "if the offer anyway no HD.

If someone were to film my wedding and then arrive with a 4:3 sd movie, would not the penny would get that one makes today, but no longer, I will shoot but no wedding photos synonymous with a Iphone but with a DSLR.



Antwort von Axel:

"ALEXIUS1984" wrote:
what does that mean exactly?


If your concept provides high gloss (the approach of the professional photographers), the black bars at the sides and / or spongy Resolutionaufgrund irritate the WS-crops, the family and reduce the effect. Can you advise only of.

If you are not appreciative Ahhh and Ohhh're from, but to goose bumps and thumping heart, this hardly Pixelzählerkram plays a role, then take 4-3 for everything.



Antwort von nicecam:

I filmed one (and my first ever) Wedding ½ years ago for lack of better Equiment something like this planned ALEXIUS1984 of.

More specifically: With my SonyVX1E (Hi8) in 4x3 and Canon HV-20 in 16x9.

Finally, a no-go..

For the cut, I then did a 4x3-Project, because everything would have been other nonsense.
However, I read the material of the HV-20 does not downconvertiert one, so I had the opportunity to cut the material free to choose the HDV.

Well, I managed the cut probably quite good, as I gathered from your comments, however, synonymous lot of rework was needed to actually complete this mutually incompatible materials harmoniously together.

@ ALEXIUS1984: Listen to Jott and Axel.
If you're limited in your options anyway, then let the VX-1000 but run along - for the safety and even more for the sound. For continuous sound I think is extremely important. Has saved me many a scene with my laborious cutting.



Antwort von Manuell:

Quote:
SD in 4:3 will not see a pig except the grandma look more reserves with its tube


Funny, my two grandmothers HD TVs, but I NEN 59cm 4:3 CRT TV, although I turn just in HD :-)



Antwort von pilskopf:

: D

I'm still a tube synonymous. You have to synonymous say it is not easy to play off of the network besonderns his videos in HD. Many have really really great, despite a new TV just a DVD player but at least watch their DVDs in 16:9, the 4:3 format is out, which takes no preference Resolutionman.



Antwort von ALEXIUS1984:

thanks for your comments, I will now probably use two HC9, or rent as a allternative fx1 and one of my two HC9 as the total of the back and use the steadicam merlin!


thanks!



Antwort von Manuell:

Yes that's true 4:3 is out.

Synonymous funny is that I even have a Blu-Ray player, so my HD-TV at the chain ends. Many others have only the HD television, but then analog cable, or DVBT and Blu-ray players are still rare synonymous tuned :-).



Antwort von pilskopf:

That is really not a big problem how to show people his HD material. It will still take a few years until a BD player as standard is like a DVD player. I'm still not synonymous BD burner, brings nothing if no one owns a player.



Antwort von Axel:

Old people like flat screens, because they are more often synonymous (bad eyes), the planar images (DVBT) or the noise (analog), they disturb the other hand, not to mention of SD digital cable or satellite altogether. Younger, who have the choice (not Hartz IV), decide because of this thick blonde of RTL, which according to the construction workers with sledge hammers like to arrange a few flowers, against tubes. My flat is like everything new, only with difficulty could I prevent the purchase of a Philips 21:9 (s.dem I would of course have to participate financially). At Bluray: Often (not always) more convenient menu navigation than standard DVDs, the player via HDMI but does so saugutes upscaling of SD that you already imho quite a bang must have, why pay for a disc twice (even bought I have exactly two, Speed Racer and Kundun, because I think I have found that colored movies on BD crunchy come easy, why always synonymous). The compatibility of the board today with feasible means Blurays (Final Cut Pro, Toast 10, Encore) is still of the BD players slowed the first hour, of which there are unfortunately still quite a lot. Like ten years ago when DVD players. Seen in this way can we be happy that DVDs are not yet out.



Antwort von Auf Achse:

"Jott" wrote:
The 16:9 Fakemodus the old camera is so horribly bad that you should not even think s.diese option in a dream.



Hello!

What is technically not actually see the difference between fake and genuine "16:9 mode? 4:3 and 16:9 but both are 720x576 but with other things ...... If the aspect ratio of the loggerhead and scaled Width cut the Height?

Regards,
On axis



Antwort von Axel:

True, DV is always 720 x 576, but there are a number of recent DV Cams (a small Panasonic and Canon XL2 the last) that still have a 16:9 chip - probably 576 x 1024 -, ie a higher resolution, while the simpler mode vierhundertnochwas 720 used to. And it shows. An interim solution was the Century anamorphic lens (Lens-intent), the normal 4:3 picture distorted by a factor of 1.33. I had views, but found the optical quality in spite of very high price grottig (Vignette). Many HDV cams have no real synonymous 16:9, it is again a factor of 1.33 bruised (this is synonymous to the standard of HDV2 = 1440 to 1080, not 1920, 1920:1440 = 1.33), based on a standard DVD is the Overkill s.Resolutionaber so fed up that does not matter.



Antwort von Meggs:

"ALEXIUS1984" wrote:
thanks for your comments, I will now probably use two HC9, or as a allternative .. rent fx1


16:9 I would definitely recommend synonymous.
Since you two HC9 and have a VX2100, but you can try out easily as the images together. You can own the 4:3 synonymous Picture of VX in 2100 compared with the 16:9 Picture.
I often 16:9 SD recording with the Canon XM2 XH and A1S. This makes the detailed pictures and the XM2 A1S the wide angle shots. This fits together quite well. For detail shots and medium shots of the "fake" 16:9 mode, the XM2 does quite well.
Give it a try, and let you not scare of people who probably never have a VX2100 with 16:9 recordings made.



Antwort von Jott:

"Auf Achse" wrote:
What is technically not actually see the difference between fake and genuine "16:9 mode? 4:3 and 16:9 but both are 720x576 but with other things ...... If the aspect ratio of the loggerhead and scaled Width cut the Height?


Since the sensors are just 4-3 read in part, to achieve a 16:9 picture shape. The vertical Resolutionwird thus logically massively reduced. This loss is not compensated. And it shows not only with a magnifying glass, it is at first glance gruesome images. With the correct anamorphic 16:9 has nothing to do.

"Let you not scare of people who probably never have a VX2100 with 16:9 made shots."

Wrong assumption. Tried it once (in 2003), as a small camera support in a 16:9 production, when there were no small 16:9 cameras. Once and never again, beyond the pale, even then. So what we can but today, in 2010, no bride and groom turn on, that would be an impertinence. Even if there is an unpaid favor.



Antwort von Meggs:

"Jott" wrote:
This loss is not compensated. And it shows not only with a magnifying glass, it is at first glance gruesome images. With the correct anamorphic 16:9 has nothing to do.


Grey theory - as I said, just try it. You can see it.



Antwort von Meggs:

"Jott" wrote:

Wrong assumption. Tried it once (in 2003), as a small camera support in a 16:9 production, when there were no small 16:9 cameras.


That was probably a VX2000. The VX2100 was released in 2004 on the market, as far as I know.



Antwort von Axel:

"Meggs wrote:
"Jott" wrote:

Wrong assumption. Tried it once (in 2003), as a small camera support in a 16:9 production, when there were no small 16:9 cameras.


That was probably a VX2000. The VX2100 was released in 2004 on the market, as far as I know.


That may be true, but it seems that I had remember correctly anyway:
http://www.slashcam.de/info/Sony-Vx-2100-16-9---75792.html



Antwort von nicecam:

@ On axis
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Antwort von Jott:

"Meggs wrote:
"Jott" wrote:

Wrong assumption. Tried it once (in 2003), as a small camera support in a 16:9 production, when there were no small 16:9 cameras.


That was probably a VX2000. The VX2100 was released in 2004 on the market, as far as I know.


True, the professional twin had PD-150. But the successor PD-170/VX2100 was synonymous in that respect no different. Who then was true 16:9, so grabbed the small PDX-10 (really good!) And then to the FX1 s.end 2004. At the latest s.deren appearance was the subject of eating, and no one has more tempted to abuse the old 4:3 - DV camcorder for 16:9. At some point you have to let go of synonymous times can ...

To be sure, for the final 4:3 DVD are the "old" is still in order. But who wants something else?



Antwort von Videobodo:

So, I handle it on time so that takes up the VX 2100 in 4:3. the whole thing is then in Edius in a 16:9 project and then changed. The image quality is not as bad as some who have never had a hand in VX claim. My DVD, s look at a hip flask not synonymous, abysmal, from. It is important that the production chain is also high. Otherwise, let the friends of the plastic toys of their faith.
Of course, HD and 16:9 is better but usually synonymous with a higher quality camera.
Bodo



Antwort von nicecam:

"Axel" wrote:
Wedding videos are staged, however, no beads, in guiding the brazen restriction of funds to draw attention to the great design. There are glossy pictures ...

No good ... the movie was? If he does. The camera work is shit, rotated by Draufhalter Axel, but the concept haut rein: The toughest spill forward as many views of emotion, joy and love, there is not a dry eye. Has nothing to do with Resolutiongar, photographed a smooth exchange of rings in fullest HD from 5 feet away from the tripod can only freeze the blood. If you somehow comforting.

Just as it happened to me and my movie synonymous.

From the cut, he seems to me well done. On my little 37er-tube TV's, he looks good. [I am poorer than [url = http://forum.slashcam.de/viewtopic.php?p=432288 # 432 288] Manual [/ url] and pilskopf : -)]

And then I was visiting as times when the couple, for which I made the film (friends of my friends, luckily) and saw the flat screen TV.

This sheer size!

I've never seen the movie it :-)



Antwort von Axel:

"Videobodo" wrote:
The image quality is not as bad as some who have never had a hand in VX claim. My DVD, s look at a hip flask not synonymous, abysmal, from.


That applies to me not. Not only had a VX in the hand that has me the 1k 2k replaced with (that sounds cocky, smooth, one could believe that I spoke of the Red). "Not grottenschlecht is" but not "brilliant". It is now, all together now, on how we tackle the video. Whether one-throwing the flowers make children nervous before the church door: Colorful petals herabflitternd in the sunlight, who is not mentioned it aesthetically, is probably not a visual person. In order for about 20% and again gecroppten gesqueezten Halbbildregen on a 50 "FullHD are - spots. One can instead see the hand of a child, which considers the blades close. Toll.

"Nicecam" wrote:
From the cut, he seems to me well done. On my little 37er-tube TV's, he looks good.


And vice versa: What remains of the floating lanterns, hot air torch, illuminating the faces of guests as enchanted magic ball China, with almost too much s.Stimmung DSLR HD, Ollen on a tube? What is left of the delicate back-edge of the bridal veil, as it gives the photographer a kiss? Old Swede s.Zeilenflimmern, but now thinks None more ...



Antwort von Videobodo:

Hello Axel
I know you were not meant. Know you even as one of those who know of what they say.
Bye Bodo



Antwort von Meggs:

"Axel" wrote:
One can instead see the hand of a child that keeps the leaves close. Toll ..


This is precisely the point. Close-up look at the synonymous gecroppte 16:9 Picture a high-quality DV camcorder with 4:3 chip grottenschlecht not, but rel. well made.



Antwort von campool:

I once a wedding service with a rotated Z7 - NV-GS80 to my as a long shot. Results: Since both cams had anamorphic 16:9 on it, I needed the raw material is no longer bestanzen much. After a bit of color correction (ok, yes, with a whole lot grading completed), the two quite well. And the result could, at least has the feedback shows can even see (final product was of course a PAL DVD - but synonymous to the archive in HD to render my DV-mill did quite well, synonymous if the picture is still somewhat softer than was that of Z7).

That was in October 2009. After that I only had a separate HD so synonymous 16:9 - Production (Big-tape concert in March). Setup was the HC 7 (long shot) and the HD1000 (hand camera). While only two (moderately equipped bildtechnisch) HDV cameras, but they have delivered surprisingly good pictures. The result of BD presented on a 50-inch plasma, was considered surprisingly good! Granted, I was busy for hours synonymous with the color matching. S.der stupid thing is that I the position of the HC had selected seven times was really bad:-D Shit happens!

Since I now have the opportunity to cut everything live, to coordinate manned cameras and Robo-Cams, the post has become much easier. The biggest drawback to vote: All of it must at once! Controlled structure, making cutting plan to roll assign scores, cameramen, sound mixing deck, and, and, and .. well, and then the whole is not commercially, since the school ;-) - but as to what you learn after all synonymous ...

Our cameras can stop most, no 16:9! We have not even been true stereo sound!

OT: We had some trouble, a backup for direct access to an HD create, because we just a cheap USB-grabber was available to, of which someone had hidden the Drivers. We say at a computer science teacher. "Neither picture nor sound ... USB ...". Fachgewandt how the computer are, he reached into a drawer, pulled out three webcams and said we could indeed now all connected via USB s.den Calculator and somehow we would be mixed on the fly get so already ...

Then would rather clean with 4:3 4:3 sound mixed "instead of 1080p ribs to cut out the ... People why that's all become so easy? I like it better than:

FULL-HD Aldi clippers out, Knöpchen pressed professional.

Regards, Tim

This again: http://forum.slashcam.de/re-was-ist-qualitat-vp414230.html?highlight = # 414 230



Antwort von termite:

4x3 is qualified to hold the shit and shat anstat to make connections as lanc or mic in, the making of the firmas more megapixel on the camera. book now because it upsets me again in full. cam inside my building and always bad when I do this on the compueter then makes the even uglier than on the monitor. uch hate synonymous with this gibberish lichtrstärke and bla ... With more megapixels, the image is synonymous better. point.



Antwort von rush:

"Termite" wrote:
4x3 is qualified to hold the shit and shat anstat to make connections as lanc or mic in, the making of the firmas more megapixel on the camera. book now because it upsets me again in full. cam inside my building and always bad when I do this on the compueter then makes the even uglier than on the monitor. uch hate synonymous with this gibberish lichtrstärke and bla ... With more megapixels, the image is synonymous better. point.


Ejejej ... apparently the megapixel campaigns show some people still effect.

If you mean the one with more megapixels vieeel on a mini-chip more "quality" made in bad lighting ... then just do it - but you do not wonder if it remains only a dream :-)

And even if you had tens of thousands megapixel ... then the sound without a microphone and external microphone would be just bad. Point back.

Nehm hold a lamp and make you light is too dark ifs. Colon.




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