Frage von PanaSony:
Bin by randomly encountered on this forum,
someone has experience with the SONY DSR-250? Picture quality? Progressive mode? lowlight? with what these cameras can compare? Of there is still a precursor to Sony Model ... Comparative 24fps?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... SONY DSR-250? Picture quality? Progressive mode? lowlight? ... comparative 24fps? The DSR250 is the version of the PD150 shoulder, to the extent that it applies to basically the same: top quality, spitze Lowlight, Progressive Mode unfit, 24p absent.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Old, no warranty, 4:3, DV, PAL ... = nothing.
Antwort von videobob:
No aspect !!!!! PowerMac is right !!!!!
Beware !!!!!! and fingers away ......
There's even better ne HVR 1000 (because of the 16:9 chips)
or buy ne S 270th ...
All TV channels or Prod. companies have or will switch to 16:9, partly synonymous already in HD documentary field.
Some people still try their old stuff like SD ausgenudeltes DSR PD Betacam and expensive to get rid of ......
You will not enjoy s.dem plane - this is a technical state of 1998 (VX 9000, DSR 200)
I'll give 'yes' to - did even last year before switching to 16:9 and at SWR ZDF DVCPROs my old 400 and 800 gold ;-(((((((
Antwort von videobob:
... SONY DSR-250? Picture quality? Progressive mode? lowlight? ... comparative 24fps?
The DSR250 is the version of the PD150 shoulder, to the extent that it applies to basically the same: top quality, spitze Lowlight, Progressive Mode unfit, 24p absent.
Gruß Bernd E. Lowlight spitze ?????????
The thing smeart how stupid !!!!!!!
Spitze picture ???????
As a VJ, perhaps .... but always letterbox ?????
Then maybe convert NTSC to PAL .....
In each instance not broadcast ...... and then the typical "DV magenta stitch "......
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Lowlight spitze ?????????... ... The thing smeart how stupid !!!!!!!... That the PD150/DSR250 one in its class virtually unmatched strength Lowlight offer, I had actually known as a condition - that 2/3-Inch-Kameras better, it is clear anyway. "Smear" by the way with "Lowlight" only indirectly relates to do and CCD devices in general, be they bright or not. In contrast, only then will help CMOS sensors.
... Image as a VJ ???????... spitze maybe .... but always letterbox ?????... An image quality, for long years even the BBC satisfied, it should still synonymous for many purposes sufficient: Not everyone needs HD or 16:9, synonymous when one's love is eingeredet. PanaSony for television is in all probability, tend not to work ;-)
... Then maybe convert NTSC to PAL ... This sentence did you take the precaution to be labeled as satire, not that anyone believes him ;-)
... In every instance not broadcast ...... and then the typical "DV magenta stitch "...... There are plenty of examples where the image quality by "broadcast" is. However, we all know not what the questioner, because now with the part and would like to rotate whether "broadcast capability" would be asked at all. Without further information on the proposed application can be either concrete or advise. In one I give you but right: for the excessive price of some DSR250-seller is very accurate to consider whether a purchase is still worthwhile - in most cases probably not.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von videobob:
@ Bernd E.
Nit uffrege!
Daccord'm with you ........... But CMOS smear against ????? Then maybe FTS ;-)))))
Or just convert ntsc to pal .... then disappears in the hole of the smear of resolution ..... ;-))))
But now seriously:
I use everyday, even in transmitting a VX 2000 and PD 150th since it is but then on the content: Demos, rights, water cannons ...... so what the picture shows - it must be synonymous wiggle or smear if I stick to the head belomme.
And is relatively lowlight! Synonymous night I got the best pictures with its M7, BVW 300 and UVW 100 hinbekommen .... I have 150 W and N on top of PAG battery belt around.
The so-called "Lowlight" area is overestimated, because if the camera was still recording: 18db Gain and Aperture are always open scheisse aus!
Whether television or hobby. Many make good pictures Cams .... one only synonymous in the periphery (light) to invest.
But we were here just a few days before a sale offer for a DSR 250th .. something to 33oo @
Before that I wanted to warn the questioner. For the money he gets better. Have already synonymous to S 270 needed for 5000 @ seen .....
This makes it all better served.
Gruss
Antwort von r.p.television:
The camera will be offered throughout hopelessly overpriced.
You can still surprise with their good work, but the 4:3 chips disquifizieren they are actually for today's requirements.
I would rather a synonymous since S270 recommend. Is more expensive but safe for the future.
Furthermore, I as a regular purchaser and seller of cameras Coleur any design errors before a warning:
On the mainframe is in front of the fixed optics with a small spike of a screw, the fixed optics stabilized or fixed.
In two of three cameras, this thorn from mainframe canceled and you could order a whole Optics Zentimter on and take off.
This was at a Camera (the very cheap so I only have anden) result, which is a ribbon cable from the socket of the VI board had resolved. Therefore, synonymous Picture no more. It was while with a new mating net return will be corrected, but the mainframe costs something around 300 euro and who the camera itself can repair pays determines 1000, - euro at a specialist workshop. I was half a day and employs all offal additions from the old mainframe to the new transfer.
This spike breaks seemingly without warning and rough from the outside of the influence. Is very thin and Magnesium injection molding is very brittle.
Antwort von videobob:
@ Bernd E.
I know the times when the BBC with dsr Pd was 150 satisfied. Those were the times before the turn of the millennium, when the news crews still BVW 300 and 400 had (partially without A, sometimes even M tube). As was the ne increase. Clear.
And ne well measured BVW 300, I prefer to have each synonymous DSR 250 before - and to get you inc Optics on a. .. y for 300 ¬ !!!!! (Have another lying)
Those were the times when Andre Zalbertus of AZ Media and the Rose Bloom, VJ than the projected future!
Zalbertus and Rose Bloom have today because of the thing home ban at WDR and HR. BBC looks at Wies I net ......
That would be today if you just Formula 1 with his 1933 Bugatti run and maintain the synonymous times has won the race - or something like that ....
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Bernd E. @ Nit ... uffrege ... Do I at my age no longer eh ;-)
... here ... we had a sales job for a DSR 250th .. something to 33oo ... Previously, I wanted to warn the questioner. For the money he gets better ... No question! How nice if we agree on ...
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von videobob:
We agree ......
hats only the questioner understood now ????? mmmmhhh?
So now I will answer the questioner:
DSR 250 for hobby use.
Batteries included (BP or NP1) and charger
Drum run under 400h
Optics ok.
Body ok.
incl tripod plate
would be 1000 - 1200 ¬ adequate.
Everything else is extortionate!
LG
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Those were the times when ... Rose Bloom VJ than the projected future ... At least Rosenblum (so says the good man) does indeed still with the vehemence of a medieval missionary. Interesting and dwell time are synonymous quite amusing, however, his theories do.
... That would be today if you just Formula 1 with his 1933 Bugatti run and maintain the synonymous times has won the race - or something like that ... Probably something like that, because the questioner in the Formula 1 one wants, he has not said: Maybe he wants so much prefer vintage racing deny? ;-))))
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von r.p.television:
We agree ......
hats only the questioner understood now ????? mmmmhhh?
So now I will answer the questioner:
DSR 250 for hobby use.
Batteries included (BP or NP1) and charger
Drum run under 400h
Optics ok.
Body ok.
incl tripod plate
would be 1000 - 1200 ¬ adequate.
Everything else is extortionate!
LG It is here mentioned to me of the defect in mind. When the camera stands or on the shoulder will get this immediately with no defect.
Antwort von videobob:
Nope. In my book cover is the type Rose Bloom ....
... must now change its name ?????
lol
Gruss
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... In my book cover is the type Bloom Rose ... must now change its name ?????... Perhaps he wanted to once again visit the WDR incognito? ;-))) Is funny but for me he is - if we speak from the same dir with first name Michael, but that is probably most likely - just as "Rosenblum" encounter, as he is so synonymous in his own blog writes. Presumably, he has just the VJ-principle on the spelling of his name used: Where the past still ran two letters were allowed, one must now make everything ...
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von videobob:
... In my book cover is the type Bloom Rose ... must now change its name ?????...
Perhaps he wanted to once again visit the WDR incognito? ;-))) Is funny but for me he is - if we speak from the same dir with first name Michael, but that is probably most likely - just as "Rosenblum" encounter, as he is so synonymous in his own blog writes. Presumably, he has just the VJ-principle on the spelling of his name used: Where the past still ran two letters were allowed, one must now make everything ...
Gruß Bernd E. We are talking about the same.
Soon he called only "the Kid MR from Ney York"
Nothing against his work, but he should look me fool, as he as an individual VJ - either in Iraq (I was) or s.einer popel accident in D an interview with the police, fire departments, the General does when he straight out of the ball hail came, or the hearse has filmed ...... and as he says that with its PD 150, without a tripod without head light (which are usually good bets night )......
I would like to take time. I must once again in the autumn for the SWR to Afghanistan .....
And I do not want to my editor (my wife) and my Tonassi renounce !!!!!!
Who holds me back free? Who runs the HMMVE when we have gone?
Who makes the uplink, if I need to sleep or piss? From the rough on the PANA TOUGHBOOK apart ...???
Even if it is ...... With whom should the evening I wash down the anger?
All alone? Ach nö ... then I'd rather stay here!
These are the sog.Schreibtischtäter, what of the talk, they never have seen !!!!!
Antwort von robbie:
Long live the EB team.
With astonishment of those days read: "With the increased use of one-man team and we expect a cost saving in production of about 20%." According to ORF leadership ... holla. Because I am bad!
Antwort von booster:
With pleasure I read this topic, since my good old Betacam SP "last week of me is gone, I'm looking synonymous in this price segment, a replacement camera.
@ Videobob if you want to get rid of your 300, I would like to remove yourself, because I have lots of accessories for it and not have to buy everything new (did not synonymous for the money ;-)
LG s.Alle
Antwort von techman:
There's even better ne HVR 1000 (because of the 16:9 chips)
You will not enjoy s.dem plane - this is a technical state of 1998 (VX 9000, DSR 200)
Regard! Dangerous semi! ;-)
videobob, you are unfortunately, a generation too far behind, because the DSR 250 is not of 1998.
At that time, the VX1000 camera Henkel and the VX9000 was exactly the same technique only in the (fast-) housing shoulder and with large DV tapes. The DSR 200 had as an extra DV Cam recording and XLR Connections fürn sound.
The next generation was the VX2000 with improved technology, the camera is in the area is pretty miniDV State of the Art, or to not always take this Anglicisms, actually a benchmark in terms of image quality and Lowlight (for (consumer-) DV!).
The DSR 250 is actually a bloated VX2000 with a DV Cam Drive (DV Full unlike PD150) and XLR connectors, but you no more no less.
Without even a HVR 1000 ever held in my hands to have, but I like to say that the SD-Pal Picture of DSR 250 would be better, not entirely synonymous in adequate lighting conditions, which are in the field of semi-fast times occur.
That HD (V) is the future, can not deny, but that is why you do not like all DV cameras bad talk.
Antwort von PowerMac:
Downconvertiertes material of the HVR 1000 is certainly better than the picture of the 250th DSR
Antwort von techman:
Downconvertiertes material of the HVR 1000 is certainly better than the picture of the 250th DSR Sure? Despite 1 CMOS image converter v 3 CCD chips? In low light?
But when people say that both cameras have been tested, let me convince myself.
Antwort von PowerMac:
In low light, you have rather more slowly. But when sufficient daylight ...
Antwort von mann:
That HD (V) is the future, can not deny, but that is why you do not like all DV cameras bad talk. I find synonymous! Also because we here in the Forum of insiders can always read that HDV may be synonymous only one kind interim solution on the market, say in a few years, there will preferably AVHCD etc.
OK who operated TV stations needed 16:9, but even in HD is the next 3.4 years have not eaten as hot as it is cooked.
And there are still a few years, a commercial market for SD, private events etc. When occurring in Germany Vollrezession / stagflation are already three times the consumer whether it is an expensive HD-Glotze stand, especially when the prevailing Auflösungswirrwar.
Who, for example, wants a wedding video, the black bars will not interfere if the filmmaker is working with 4:3, just as now people are with their 4:3-Glotze have become accustomed, 16:9 with bars to be seen.
And as a wedding or concert film is one with a DSR 250 but still best served with this fine shoulder camcorder, you can even move when shooting at least, synonymous and the filmed performers may move times what-so synonymous report several insider-HDV-boxes with their GOPs to reduced quality may result, from a stand forced apart.
So if you for some seemingly DSR 250 - QUOTE: "... under the fixed optics with a small spike of a screw, the fixed optics stabilized or fixed ...." = Ie manufacturing defects are present, itches me is not so strong (can purchase at the top eight) as the glaring sharpness Pull-deficiencies in the Canon xh a1 (telephoto range, A-and out), what other straight to my great surprise, have reported .
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) When occurring in Germany Vollrezession / stagflation are already three times the consumer whether it is an expensive HD-Glotze stand, especially when the prevailing Auflösungswirrwar. (...) It is a mere allegation that a recession occurs in Germany. The consequence of this alleged recession is synonymous unfounded.
(...) The filmed performers may move times what-so synonymous report several insider-HDV-boxes with their GOPs to reduced quality may result, from a stand forced apart. (...) What is "insider" claims that? MPEG-2 and Long-GOP format may very well be good start moving actor. There is no compulsion in HDV tripod.
Antwort von mann:
It is a mere allegation that a recession occurs in Germany. The consequence of this alleged recession is synonymous unfounded. So I read business news.
Antwort von mann:
MPEG-2 and Long-GOP format may very well be good start moving actor. There is no compulsion in HDV tripod. Had recently here in the forum to read an opinion that you are right:
"A well-coded Mpeg2 (eg on a DVD) of a DV Sport Video will show you not a bad show movement representation, no smearing, no seekrankmachendes lurch, that's nonsense. The individual frames differ, however, of those of the original DV footage. HDV cameras grope each pixel of each frame, they are characterized not only all on. "
But at least then yes, there are logically many frames, so to speak, condensed information includes, or?
And then I read further:
Sharpness is pulling harder with HDV, and with the Canon telephoto particularly in the upper range. "
So ultimately I would only note that the HDV as it is in the camcorder market exists, positive words, STILL VERY MUCH HAS DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL.
In this respect, which I wanted in my post to say you are with the practical film work on some targets with SD or SonyDSR 250 well equipped.
