Frage von patrikbirkenberg:
What software dominates in the current version of the editing AVCHD?
Come Premiere, Ulead Media Studio so clear? What is with AVID Media Composer?
Antwort von Marco:
In the current version is now probably every editing program (ok - SpeedEdit not yet ...). The ones I do know from personal experience, are Pro 8 and Vegas Movie Studio 9 Platinum.
Marco
Antwort von patrikbirkenberg:
In the current version is now probably every editing program (ok - SpeedEdit not yet ...). The ones I do know from personal experience, are Pro 8 and Vegas Movie Studio 9 Platinum.
Marco Premiere CS3's obviously can not. Someone knows how to get CS3 dfür fit?
Antwort von jazzy_d:
CS4 can.
Whether for CS3 yet a patch comes, we will see.
Antwort von patrikbirkenberg:
CS4 can. That I thought - CS4 is, unfortunately, probably only s.December in German trading. Or is there somewhere to download a beta?
Whether for CS3 yet a patch comes, we will see. How can it be that a codec that is already two years on the market, with a giant like Premiere is not immediately replaced with a plug-in has been integrated?
Antwort von WoWu:
Because it's at with this codec plug-ins is not enough.
Quality has always lasted a bit longer ... and was usually synonymous something more expensive.
Antwort von Marco:
It is not as if it were no solutions premiere. It is necessary but not always at any price in the shortest time a native solution.
Marco
Antwort von WoWu:
That's true of course, but the benefits of the new codecs with a transfer to another codec course swimming.
And yes it may not be synonymous ...
I am now only thing that Blackmagic his small USB stick, which is for H.264 in SD are synonymous for HD rausbringt.
And for 99 $ .... the Renner!
Antwort von Marco:
"I'm waiting now only thing that Blackmagic his small USB stick, which
is for H.264 in SD are synonymous for HD rausbringt." "Can" could probably today. All a matter of time. I think it's exciting, in a positive sense.
Marco
Antwort von Fenek:
Ulead Media Studio there is the development unfortunately been discontinued.
Very sad.
Desperately Seeking I already synonymous alternatives.
Antwort von Zizi:
Whether true or not was uncertain times.
But I have never heard the AVCHD codec cut was made
and why such problems occur!
It was originally designed for small toy cameras already built the only customers buy 0 PC knowledge.
What is now in professional equipment to look for, I understand has not (yet)?!
Bzgl. More modern codec .. Not everything modern is to be tested!
A pity that there is no current AVCHD competition.
This format has provided me senseless to 50 hours prior to the cost calculator to repeatedly noted that it does not work anyway as I think the advertising or suggiert I introduce below!
No question some cams have really great quality (HF11 etc) but it would be with a well-developed Mpeg2 Aae. not synonymous possible gewessen and therefore many people would have less labor beschärt!
At least this thread would only end garnicht ..
The only advantage I agree it is the low data rate of 30% for the same picture quality when the memory sizes / prices anyway no preference is ..
Better picture quality contest, I now synonymous times because a more sophisticated Mpeg2 but would certainly be delivered same images (see? JVC HD40)
The other advantages except I knew Modern zugern?
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Zizi,
.... it will not comfort you, but together with many well-educated colleagues, I have many nights synonymous around the ears hewn because MPEG2 did not work, or equipment, such as myself of the marketing departments of the major broadcast and suppliers of Key Account Manger company promised, and indeed has been pledged, only that since no subsequent DVD on it hung, but a channel network, with paying customers who wanted to television.
The pressure was so much higher. That is now slowly 12 years ago.
AVC works on the other hand, have relatively good.
But I have never heard the AVCHD codec cut was made and why these problems occur! MPEG2 is synonymous never cut codec has been designed, but also a pure distribution codec.
Undl MPEG4 and MPEG2 have the same origin.
Only one has very quickly the limitations of MPEG2 determine need and therefore developed as a successor to MPEG-4 and made all the mistakes, but synonymous, as the DSP algorithm to optimize, because otherwise the camera would now not so cheap and it is exactly that arrived what we are here a year ago, have discussed ...
And, just for info, AVCHD is the competition.
And, Zizi, it's a matter of course, synonymous, to reduce the data rate, but primarily to higher grades, with constant sound data to be able to realize, or could you with 3 Gbit / s somehow circumvent home? Certainly not, but you always want more Resolutionund probably no longer be synonymous but perhaps 4:2:0 or 4:2:2, or, or ... Today is the orientation of the film quality. What do you mean, how long it will take up such claims, the camcorder market, have achieved ... No chance with MPEG2 at halfway through Consumer synonymous manageable data rates only in proximity to come. You see, it has its reason, everything next to develop.
@ Marco,
this may well be synonymous and I think we will still see interesting approaches ... in any case it remains exciting.
@ Fenek
Throw the gun not so rapidly into the grain ... perhaps this is the only project on ice, and begin life again as more DSPs, perhaps synonymous without expensive graphics card around at the market.
Of course, "fish" the GC first manufacturer to market from ... has always been so, but, as I said, the small USB sticks for 99 $ come synonymous, because I have no fears.
Zizi And ...
... the better image quality is synonymous of a day in the camcorder. Sure, it's unfair, FRExt from Class 100 with 50Mbit / s from MPEG to compare, but where are the better please as MPEG2 cameras?
If I become a MPEG2 and AVC-I codec in a production mix, every twitch of my colleagues here, if he sees the transition and we always ask ourselves if we do not "around the ears hewn" is.
Now, I must not tell what the picture look better.
Time apart that the signals suddenly behave keying in excellent ... totally different than just MPEG2 because, once an error-free color by finally has.
Therefore, I certainly believe that better quality synonymous in the consumer area durchschlägt. I can not remember any event that "wheels" in the technique have been rotated back ever.
Antwort von patrikbirkenberg:
I hear out here that AVCHD is not really "real" editing codec.
Are there camcorders with alternative, better codecs? At least in the semi-professional league and it should be the case, right?
Antwort von domain:
"XDCAM HD (XDCAM HD420, MPEG HD420)
XDCAM HD supports multiple quality-modes. The HQ mode records s.up to 35 Mbit / s (HQ mode), using variable bitrate (VBR) MPEG-2 long-GOP compression. The optional 18Mbit / s (VBR) and 25 Mbps (CBR) modes offer increased recording time, s.the expense of motion-video quality.
XDCAM HD422 (MPEG HD422)
Third generation XDCAM uses the 4:2:2 profile of the MPEG-2 codec, which has double the chroma-resolution of the previous generations. To accommodate the chroma-detail, the maximum video bitrate has been increased to 50 Mbit / s.
In the second half of 2008, Sony released the PDW-700 camcorder and the PDW-HD1500 deck half-size. So, Sonyhas expanded XDCAM HD422 full support to the PDW-U1 drive, through a free firmware upgrade.
Despite its recent introduction, Sony's HD422 format has already been adopted into major video productions .. Two prime-time reality TV shows, CBS's Survivor and Fox's Cops, began on-location shooting of the 2008 fall-seasons using the aforementioned Sony equipment. " Strange is that it is here again to the miserable mpeg2 codec involved.
The XDCAM HD codec the EX1 / 3, in my opinion, incidentally, against the massive codec of HDV FX1 (25 Mbs) have been improved, because there are 35 Mbit yes by almost 33% larger number of pixels to be encoded and nevertheless it shows a lot fewer mistakes especially with moving images.
Antwort von motiongroup:
totally agree, is indeed synonymous even as the material in the internal app is processed ..
As an example, the demo of the above Magixreihe
Magix Prox VDL15 and immerse yourself as already in the astonishing differences in results as they Intern in 4:2:0 or 4:2:2 work.
Not evil Mr. Dr.Wunderlich but with the story because what will come will come slowly Bartlastig. Even the software for 2009 is not in a position to allow an adequate workflow and based on the current high-Hardcore PC rail. If this is the format of the future (CAM / cut) should have it any other Sonyand in per sector for a long time on the market. When we speak not of the high end of you used the Quantel systems of even the process of this material if I can remember in a kind of intermediate. In the main this revolves around the consumer and their AVCHD experiences pain amplifier. No matter the codec is the future but if this were to be processed through the user once again a new Cam because Cam has the current of the electric corrosion has fallen victim to. It is already so and that is synonymous with the experience of friends and acquaintances in the quality of the original TOP is only with the application implemented in the same quality then come out saying there was None None of my friend with the results of the work is effort not to speak .
They still remember s.die statement 100000e itself the DSP for that purpose in the furnace is, unfortunately it seems all the cams installed as it seems. It is surely no one understands why for example. Soni Cams and the AVCHD Schnittaps including complete NLE editing systems do not develop DSP board in the program to have this codec in the matching process Perf and the last two years ..
could be that the impetus will come but until December
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Antwort von domain:
From my perspective, there are convenient summary currently at only two mpeg2 camcorder, which are interesting, this is the JVC GZ-HD40 and the EX1 with Kensington card reader for higher demands.
Perhaps the slight increase in quality achieved via AVCHD H.264 me completely cold, as well as the potential memory savings.
Both mpeg2 format can be with my old dual core is going smoothly and with almost the same performance as HDV editing.
So twiddled and enjoy watching the further development I remain sympathetic to AVCHD set .......
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
That's true of course, but the benefits of the new codecs with a transfer to another codec course swimming. 1. The features make the camera manufacturers already using far too small recording chips (3x 1 & 6 "with Panasonic for example) destroyed, as it were, an
own goal is the manufacturers of the camera ......
2. Fabricates the PC during the final encoding fps is not enough, errors can arise in the form of artefact formation with the H.264 AVC codec to pencil ...
After my test of the Panasonic HDC-SD100, I rather came to the conclusion I prefer a second newer HDV Camera to buy. Did this material with no problems as long motorhome tours during which I with a ACER TravelMate notebook with 2x2, 4GHz work.
Antwort von Meggs:
AVCHD is more efficient codec, the stuff would be fantastic images at an acceptable memory usage recorded.
In practice, mainly in small AVCHD camcorders, with mediocre optics and tiny chips that are used, with small data rates mediocre images recorded.
Camcorder, the size of the chip and the optics of the stuff to FullHD had to sign in HDV. With camcorders in FullHD record, often limit the chip and Optics Resolutionund image.
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Patrikbirkenberg
I hear out here that AVCHD is not really "real" editing codec. That's true ... MPEG2 incidentally not synonymous. Both MPEG2, so MPEG4 are synonymous for the transmission systems, where at least MPEG4 tools are included to the stream within the codec to cut and synonymous to expand without having to re-encoded.
@ Motion group
I think it has already done a lot ... NVIDIA DSP and supported by companies like Adobe and Apple just put on this DSP processing. Other good NLEs to support AVC as well. That in the Penny-NLEs not yet arrived, not really surprise me. Will probably never synonymous. But yes there is still HDV. that is easy and without complication synonymous with freeware to edit. While with the known limitations, but if that's enough .... prima.
Many want synonymous no better quality and of course Bruno has so far is quite right when he says, but the company should first make reasonable camcorder ... That is synonymous to the spirit of my previous posts .... As long as consumers still can turn on such a scrap, they must not be surprised if the pictures are not better ...
@ Domain
The pictures of the EX1 / 3 are primarily better because the camera halfway sensible images of Optics and sensor makes her.
What do you mean, how would that look if they with AVC-I encoded were recorded.
I have a difference every day when I playback footage from the other codecs do.
BTW not only synonymous but MPEG2 from DVCProHD. It is just as visible.
But as I have already mentioned above. What will it be when the consumer demands are even greater? MPEG2 is in its quality upwards extremely limited and even Sonybenutzt MPEG4 in the top qualities HDCAMSR. Also in the Arri D21, the Genesis uses it himself and is in the RED format.
Sure, not for the amateur filmmaker.
The question is just where to hear the demands of the Amateurs on? in 1440? in 1920? at 4:2:0? at 4:2:2? at 25 frames or 50 frames with 1080? at 8 bits, or 10 or 12?
What color is it in a few years? Still D65 or maybe an extended color space?
And now the question ... what can I expect in MPEG2 with reasonable data rates for home use realized.
With VHS, you are then synonymous pleased about the great quality that the home had reached. But somewhere in the system was simply synonymous Final .. as we now know.
Look at the times of HDMI 1.3 Specs at.
Are the theoretical or expected industry improvements in quality?
Surely they would be for HDV or MPEG with its limited parameters as required. So why only the Inustrie done ...? Really baffling, is not it?
Antwort von jazzy_d:
We must simply synonymous not forget that 90% of the owners of consumer cams do not post / make cutting. But the other 10% scream so loud Of course if it does not.
Antwort von WoWu:
Well, yes it is .... it's just not immediately and for a few cents or even with freeware ...
But who's 80 EUR course reserve program, you can indeed synonymous next his old codec ... why not?
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
... may indeed synonymous next codec to use his old ... why not? Yes why not, if he gets a better than Bluray with the current H.264 AVC codec in the current NLEs ...
Show me the opposite, for amateur videographers course!
Antwort von WoWu:
How you define amateur filmmaker? Cameras for under EUR 1000 and NLEs for under $ 100 and TV devices or monitors under EUR 500?
Why just calls the consumer market for more resolution, more color depth a larger color space better temporal resolution, especially if these users do not circle with the necessary data can bypass? Is not that a contradiction?
And why he calls straight 1080p50, but rejects vehemently AVC, although it is not with MPEG2 with data rates to realize is that a hobby filmmakers could still handle?
(Time of the MPEG2 specification apart).
Something does not fit together but since ...
And a
better BlueRay There is not, because only one Blue Ray storage media is at all possible that I can save data.
At best, one could BluRay in the amount of stored data and compare them because there would be at an
identical picture quality, no preference, as well or Worse, in any case, always 30-40% more when use of H.264 than for a comparable good Picture MPEG2.
So what do you want to say with this comparison?
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
Show me the opposite, for amateur videographers course! was actually my question ...
Antwort von domain:
Typically for people with "common sense" is the order of Purchaseüberlegungen.
First time a nice and sharp at the same time inexpensive Camera ago and then traded to the motto: Is God the mind, then the remaining synonymous Tand.
But precisely the opposite would have to actually run on:
1. which targets for the final edition, I actually
2. what software can I cut sufficiently liquid, etc. allow
3. What camcorder is ultimately for my tasks
The reverse approach often requires that the camcorder itself is not rare is already hopelessly out of date when the remaining links in the chain of processing times finally work as expected
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Bruno
Show me the opposite, for amateur videographers course! The opposite of
what? The opposite of that at the same image quality you 30-40% more for the BluRay AVC if you get used?
What could be the opposite of it?
@ domain
I am totally with you, but the camcorder manufacturers have actually synonymous of said a priori that current models are rather the "point & shoot" users are .... and because they have so synonymous right, the images from the cameras directly to the TV, are indeed quite synonymous.
It's been like jazzy_d said:
We must simply synonymous not forget that 90% of the owners of consumer cams do not post / make cutting. But the other 10% scream so loud Of course if it does not. And of course the 10% must still deduct the reasonable growth NLEs, with which it is now synonymous in the consumer field.
Let me just because of reported results s.die Marco remember.
There remain only those who are neither decent NLEs want to buy, but everything in real-time and full Resolutionmit as 10 images in the timeline .... and the possible yesterday want.
Does this not so, then the codec is good for nothing.
How much% may now be?
Perhaps 1%, maybe slightly more synonymous?
Let them simply trusted their codec, if it with the results but satisfied.
At least when we have another 1080 temporal resolution speeches, we will see what has become of them.
Antwort von patrikbirkenberg:
Next time a leading question:
Which
player do you use to play produced finished AVHCD-/Blue-ray-Files (I myself have this with Corel VideoStudio X2 rendered)?
VLC plays the files very choppy, although I am an AMD Phenom (quad-core processor) and have 3 GB of RAM. That should be really for a (liquid) are playing, right?
Windows Media Player 11 crashes when playing incidentally attempt. Is there perhaps a plugin, or something similar?
Antwort von domain:
At least when we have another 1080 temporal resolution speeches, we will see what has become of them. An understanding s.WoWu question: do we need at AVC I-frame only, or synonymous with all other codecs with compression frame progressive mode P50 actually still a Bewegungsprädiktion?
In fact, the development but only in the direction of this quality being apart of DVBS video bandwidth with their problems.
These have but as I understand nothing at all with the logically much higher recording formats to be done.
Antwort von WoWu:
The answer is always Yes and no ... On the one hand the savings through elimination of B and P pictures are not so great, such as MPEG2 as H.264, the number of B-pictures quite dramatically increased and thus offers more possibilities, the B-pictures as reference to other images to use . the course and provided more data on the other hand, is synonymous in the H.264 intra-prediction by prediction within a frame is possible.
One can not in any reciprocating and say: s.prima, no Bewegungsprädiktion, so no stress on my calculator because I just naturally frames the clock cycles in the hunt and the Height Bitstromvolumen grow to the maximum.
Also of course when using the FRExt still a considerable degree other factors, despite the Calculator "partial discharge" from the Bewegungsprädiktion next call.
If, however, such a bill "clean" träte in fact a "discharge" by a factor of about 6-7 on ... However, it would obviously synonymous force the data in the Height ...
Antwort von motiongroup:
I think it has already done a lot ... NVIDIA DSP and supported by companies like Adobe and Apple just put on this DSP processing. Other good NLEs to support AVC as well. That in the Penny-NLEs not yet arrived, not really surprise me. Will probably never synonymous. But yes there is still HDV. that is easy and without complication synonymous with freeware to edit. While with the known limitations, but if that's enough .... prima.
Many want synonymous no better quality and of course Bruno has so far is quite right when he says, but the company should first make reasonable camcorder ... That is synonymous to the spirit of my previous posts .... As long as consumers still can turn on such a scrap, they must not be surprised if the images are not better. Now that is just the misconception of the 0815 versions have the first train and climbed the Great in the industry are only heuer Ascended ...
But no preference .. here and especially here in the forum, it is primarily the consumer of questions particularly relating to h264AVC (or AVCHD) and non-professional to professional buys only what he Workflow100% synonymous in use and can not buy for the Cam is still no Editing facilities are adequate ...
as an example in another post you have Vegas emphasized that this is the part can handle it. I remember that this is NOT the case, especially under Vista it works since the last Revs at AVCHD Marco might not forgive me and it is synonymous again the question in the space provided ..
What is a DSP SONY VEGAS EDITING PLATFORM ????????? who invented hats ... not Ricola!
It revolves around the only consumer to SEMIPROFIS ... CAMS with AVC is only available in the consumer area, the SEMIPROFIS ists with a PANA MAU 151 does not really take seriously, or ... I can not imagine, at least after the first tests.
Say we are only at the consumer with cutting ambitions Semiprofibereich .. We are honest, a few cracks here and there of Bruno, or the domain example, rely on CS4 and buy them for an entire sum of money that is about 10% of the remainder is used synonymous for OMAS last outing or birthday SchwiMU and it has of a Russian server. Under normal circumstances, these users with the full version cheap and totally at their expense but no it must be CS4. For two years we read repeatedly in the Adobe forum why not with the material can handle AVC and why you have an almost equally expensive Intermediatlösung go .. and now you come and write all this not be a problem because the Adobe CUDA engine uses ... ever read what these parts cost? upwards of 2000 with the end in ~ 6000, matching part of ATI's synonymous in the same price class ...
The fact is that it only works with processor performance no preference whether quad or octal no war to win there and the story only through the DSP can run and since then we have been synonymous again a problem with the users to have a current PC in the home .. AVCHD iss not on the home machine.
Something to the eternal AVC Mpeg2 Comparison. I say NO and NO is the result when the material is present and correct fitting Bearbeitet detect a difference that is already clear and proven. It is the developer of the standard Mpeg2 not succeeded until now the possibilities of exploiting the hardware spec and the AVC standard was from lack of bandwidth for streaming transmission, especially in the field is considered required development accelerated.
The aim of the project was to provide a compression method to design in the Comparison to existing standards for both mobile applications as synonymous in the TV and HD-area data needed for the same quality at least halved. That was the actual state of HW from the YEAR 2001 If the story looks to roll into the matter much worse. Half data rate for the same quality, we have seen that this was not so with the cams with 13Mbit at triple the consumption of resources.
With 24Mbit Today we are at de
Antwort von Meggs:
Even more remarkable for the
AVCHD camcorder recording: With MPEG compression in general and of course, synonymous with MPEG4 applies: the better the outcome, the longer it takes the encoder. Multi-pass encoding is better (more efficient) than 1-pass. Variable bit rate is more useful than constant bitrate.
A modern PC has faster trouble AVCHD files.
The poor little camcorder it must live in realtime record. The fact that the parameters can be set so that the maximum quality from the codec rausgeholt is clear.
Antwort von Bruno Peter:
That's why I say yes, the industry should AVCHD times with your next practice. As an amateur videographers, I have the biggest leap in the year 2005 and subsequent years of SD to HD (HDV) done. After 2 1 / 2 years HDV Filmerei and finally in 2008 synonymous transfer of results on Bluray, I am with what I see in my living room can be extremely happy, no preference whether it be HD or HD video images show acts. From A to Z is the technology available to me in tune, tw. even higher quality than I need.
What do you really now AVCHD cameras with a recording rate of 24Mbps?
I think the half with the bit rate of HDV (24Mbps) were already regarding image quality equivalent to loud drum of the advertising industry and people like WoWu ...
I therefore consider the development of great serenity with AVCHD ...
Antwort von Marco:
"I remember that this is NOT the case, especially under Vista it works since the last AVCHD Revs at nothing" Is not correct. I know all the AVCHD cameras will work in Vegas 8.0c (and restricted since Vegas 7d), both on XP to Vista as synonymous. But there is apparently a combination of Vista systems, when a single specific output AVC dislikes. Since I am personally so far for many reasons I stayed with XP, so I can from my own experience but not much to say. I now work for about one year to two systems with Vegas with AVCHD. Clearly, this calculator to its knees faster than with HDV / DV. But it itches me. I can work so well. Is yes more than enough cameras. Should everyone take his choice.
Marco
Antwort von motiongroup:
is synonymous to the German Vista so I mistaken, or ...
Antwort von Marco:
I suspect that it is so, because I of the U.S. forums do not have such problem description is known. Synonymous, but I know not whether it is general to any Vista system with German Sprach-/Landeseinstellungen true or whether the synonymous within such a system or of other combinations (except the designated output format)-dependent.
Marco
Antwort von motiongroup:
correct me if I correctly it only affects the FULLHD AVCHD edition ...
Antwort von Marco:
Yes.
