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Welche Kamera  Canon XL2 oder XM2? (bis 2500 €)

Which Camera [probably the 100000ste] Canon XL2 XM or 2 or ne others?



Frage von Zoembel:
Juni 2006

Hello,

I consider myself a new camera to buy, but I am totally undecided as to what it should be for now. I hesitate, as shown in the subject line, between two models, the Canon XL 2 and the XM2. Of course, it may not synonymous quite another to be another model of Manufacturers, the two have just come out and her standing on the shortlist. With the XL2 actually goes beyond the set price of my frame, I wanted to spend about 2000 to 2500 ¬.
The camera is mainly used to shoot documentaries. It should further be appropriate to bring one or the other Amatuerfilm on tape too. :-D Currently, we use / I (eg as part of supervisions 2 Panasonic NV-GS 300), furthermore I have me a NV-GS 27 increased to rumschleppen permanent.
Now we want (some fellow students and friends) a "semi-documentary" film shoot, and ask ourselves, of course, the question of the adequacy of the existing cameras to ...

Available 2 Panasonic NV-1 NV-GS 300 and GS 500 + no life camera NV-GS27
+ Div old analog cameras ...

Is it possible to rotate with the existing cameras to Amatuerfilmchen halfway usable?

u.

Which Camera in the price range 2000 - 2500 Euro can you recommend for me? (I would in any case 'ne new XL2 and XM2 ... ne or totally different?)

Thanks and greetings
Torben



Antwort von schnittweise:

Even though I am of the opinion that at least the NV-GS 500 can keep up pretty well, I would suggest you SonyVX 2100th



Antwort von schnittweise:

I think of the image quality (the NV-GS 500)








Antwort von Zoembel1:

What then are the advantages of SonyVX 2100 compared to the Canons of caught my eye?
If the Panasonic NV-GS can keep up with the picture quality, then I might even buy a so synonymous, or is not really suitable for our project?

Greeting
Torben

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I have forgotten my password :-)



Antwort von PowerMac:

Ne used PD170 Micro and uncluttered with Tripod.
Or FX1 with enhanced sound.

Ne XM2 is synonymous. Which is synonymous better than the GS500.

Actually, you can take each of them:
DVX100, XL2, XM2, PD170, VX2100



Antwort von zan:

more likely the brand new panasonic dvx200 (which rejects prosieben)



Antwort von Markus:

"Guest" wrote:
... (the prosieben rejects)

Why such a message is only of guests, is clear. ;-)

Very controversial discussion:




Antwort von zan:

I'm afraid ;-)



Antwort von zan:

"Mark" wrote:

Why such a message is only of guests, is clear. ;-)



I'm afraid so ;-)



Antwort von Zoembel1:

"PowerMac" wrote:
Ne used PD170 Micro and uncluttered with Tripod.
Or FX1 with enhanced sound.

Ne XM2 is synonymous. Which is synonymous better than the GS500.

Actually, you can take each of them:
DVX100, XL2, XM2, PD170, VX2100


Now I really can not decide. =) Which of the above cameras of thee have I s.längsten without need in nem year on, we 'ne new ones =)

Greeting
Torben

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I have forgotten my password still ...



Antwort von Phyro-Mane:

Let's put it this way: Even today you can do with Super8 cameras beautiful films of 1975;)
They are not all bad, actually occurs nurnoch on details.
The XM2 is ne good, very solid Cam, with whom I have very good experiences made. but that 16:9 looks kind of strange, I think, but that can still be corrected in the postpro. No XLR connector.

The XL2 there's a larger caliber, in the truest sense of the word.
Extremely good and balanced images, unfortunately sometimes s.schwächeln in the dark in my opinion.
After all, has the possibility of such lenses and so.

The DVX100 is synonymous a very good cam, in the format of the XM2, and has XLR to do so. But expensive.

Ultimately, these cams are equal, because a normal user can not identify any differences s.TV will expose the one or the other as "bad".
Big jumps are no-longer be synonymous, as is now actually on the development of HDV camcorders is concentrated.
Now I would reach for XM2, because of the good and the pleasant Picture Size.
But überlegs you whether you might not want to grow ne FX1, so you have more fun with resolution.
With PAL certainly the next few years will not be replaced.



Antwort von Markus:

"Phyro-Mane" wrote:
Now I would resort to the XM2, because of the good and the pleasant Picture Size ...

I would resort to the VX2100, because of the even better picture, the significantly faster auto focus and the overall very reliable automatics. ;-)

The XL2 is due to the design and top-heaviness of the MUs only suitable for organized shoots with Tripod.

HDV is me because of the high compression and the associated disadvantages (artifacts, drop-outs) very unsympatisch. Especially since the difference between SD and HDV in PAL (B / G)-countries are not soooo big is like in NTSC U.S., which already sees on a normal Television "significant differences. ;-)








Antwort von Phyro-Mane:

Camera handling is apparently synonymous matter of taste;)
I found the XM2 ago from feeling very good, the VX2100 does not have me as promised.
While one can certainly arrange well with two cameras.

To break HDV: Without a lengthy discussion from the fence to try to gabs ja (often enough): HDV has the advantage (when it comes to effects) of the greater detail richness, which has at times such as keyen fewer problems. Or you can simply press synonymous videos to movies, for example, what is advertising / films in the movies interesting.
But I'm filming in PAL and it would still synonymous for a long time, Alsom UsSt not think I'd be the hardcore-HDVler;)



Antwort von Markus:

"Phyro-Mane" wrote:
... which has at times such as keyen fewer problems.

Chromakey and instead Lumakey the world is synonymous with IT in order. ;-)



Antwort von zan:

"Phyro-Mane" wrote:
Let's put it this way: Even today you can do with Super8 cameras beautiful films of 1975;)


Ha ne super 8 camera, I still fly synonymous here, then I do the neh m;)

Quote:

They are not all bad, actually occurs nurnoch on details.


That is exactly the point, I do not really on what details should I look for ...

Quote:

The XM2 is ne good, very solid Cam, with whom I have very good experiences made. but that 16:9 looks kind of weird ...

That would, for example, something I could do without, because we / I take only had in mind anyway 4:3. With a camera with 16:9 CCD would of course be synonymous not to be despised, but unfortunately most have only high-priced Euros to ...

Quote:

No XLR connector.

This is the next point =) I absolutely need an XLR connector or is it enough if I can connect a micro over a jack with the Camera?
AFAIR XM 2 offers the possibility of an external Micro join s.einen jack.

Quote:

The XL2 there's a larger caliber, in the truest sense of the word.
Extremely good and balanced images, unfortunately sometimes s.schwächeln in the dark in my opinion.
After all, has the possibility of such lenses and so.

large caliber fürn big purse;) This Camera I've made in my wish list at the back;)
So, I really would have risen only if there had been no viable alternative =)

Quote:

The DVX100 is synonymous a very good cam, in the format of the XM2, and has XLR to do so. But expensive.

Is this price OK? http://www.mpec-gmbh.de/_detailpage/kameras/camcorder/1447/panasonic_ag-dvx100+production+kit+-+jetzt+wieder+verf%DCgbar+!. Html
(is it ever be the same cam?)

Quote:

Now I would reach for XM2, because of the good and the pleasant Picture Size.
But überlegs you whether you might not want to grow ne FX1, so you have more fun with resolution.


I think so already, I'll take just a s.besten of any Manufacturer,) I would not have thought that the camera purchase would be so difficult ...

Greeting
Torben



Antwort von Markus:

"Torben" wrote:
That would, for example, something I could do without, because we / I take only had in mind anyway 4:3. With a camera with 16:9 CCD would of course not synonymous to despise ...

The VX2100 is a 4:3-camcorder but synonymous 16:9 looks passable.

"Torben" wrote:
... I absolutely need an XLR connector or is it enough if I can connect a micro over a jack with the Camera?

As long as you only a directional microphone directly onto the camera, the route of transmission plays no role. Only with long cables (> 3 m) XLR (ie a symmetrical signal routing) interesting.

Learn More:
3.5mm jack extension - problem: Hum (local links)

"Torben" wrote:
Is this price OK? http://www.mpec-gmbh.de/_detailpage/kameras/camcorder/1447/panasonic_ag-dvx100+production+kit+-+jetzt+wieder+verf%DCgbar+!. Html
(is it ever be the same cam?)

From the DVX100, there are several models that differ by the subsequent identification. The device is called at MPEC DVX100-BE. That difference is crucial) to be (= old or new model. So research carefully before you decide for this camcorder.

"Torben" wrote:
I think so already, I'll take just a s.besten Manufacturer of all;)

Very good idea! Then you can try at home all alone and put the rest of the camcorder as a reserve in the closet. ;-)



Antwort von Zoembel:

Quote:

As long as you only a directional microphone directly onto the camera, the route of transmission plays no role. Only with long cables (> 3 m) XLR (ie a symmetrical signal routing) interesting.

Quote:

Learn More:
3.5mm jack extension - problem: Hum (local links)


It seems that I probably still need a camera with XLR connector. So slowly developed the camera choice really a disaster =)

Quote:

From the DVX100, there are several models that differ by the subsequent identification. The device is called at MPEC DVX100-BE. That difference is crucial) to be (= old or new model. So research carefully before you decide for this camcorder.

My research has shown that this is the new model, but I do not really know yet whether the price is right. On each of my site are found other Prices like these actually come about - huge in my eyes - price differences?

At Panasonic Broadcast I find not even an EIA. =)

Quote:

Very good idea! Then you can try at home all alone and put the rest of the camcorder as a reserve in the closet. ;-)


My bank account has me fairly quickly dissuaded of that idea. ;)
Now I am looking for a dealer with shop in my neighborhood, but I somehow do not find. I think I have the cameras (just try out the spot, at least I should have it once held in the hand)

:-D So if anyone knows a deal with shop in Kaiserslautern or in the vicinity, let him tell me please, where it is found. : D

Thanks and greetings
Torben
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Antwort von Markus:

"Zoembel" wrote:
It seems that I probably still need a camera with XLR connector.

Or a camcorder with this unbalanced jack input and an XLR adapter (for example, of BeachTek). Welche Lösung die bessere ist, hängt u.s.davon ab, wie oft Du with zusätzlichen Mikrofonen arbeiten wirst.

I.d.R. ist ein Camcorders, der with eigenen XLR -Eingängen daherkommt, unterm Strich teurer als ein Consumermodell with zusätzlichem XLR -Adapters. Dafür ist der Bedienkomfort bei einem vollständig ausgestatteten Gerät höher, wobei professionellere Modelle à la PD170 oder DVX100 neben den XLR -Anschlüssen für den Sound natürlich synonymous noch andere Funktionen mitbringen.

"Zoembel" wrote:
BeachTek). Welche Lösung die bessere ist, hängt u.s.davon ab, wie oft Du with zusätzlichen Mikrofonen arbeiten wirst.

I.d.R. ist ein Camcorders, der with eigenen XLR -Eingängen daherkommt, unterm Strich teurer als ein Consumermodell with zusätzlichem XLR -Adapters. Dafür ist der Bedienkomfort bei einem vollständig ausgestatteten Gerät höher, wobei professionellere Modelle à la PD170 oder DVX100 neben den XLR -Anschlüssen für den Sound natürlich synonymous noch andere Funktionen mitbringen.

On each of my site are found other Prices like these actually come about - huge in my eyes - price differences?
BeachTek). Welche Lösung die bessere ist, hängt u.s.davon ab, wie oft Du with zusätzlichen Mikrofonen arbeiten wirst.

I.d.R. ist ein Camcorders, der with eigenen XLR -Eingängen daherkommt, unterm Strich teurer als ein Consumermodell with zusätzlichem XLR -Adapters. Dafür ist der Bedienkomfort bei einem vollständig ausgestatteten Gerät höher, wobei professionellere Modelle à la PD170 oder DVX100 neben den XLR -Anschlüssen für den Sound natürlich synonymous noch andere Funktionen mitbringen.


The target group of professional equipment is the commercial users. With intellectual property, it is customary to indicate net, to which VAT will be added to it. Some stores give net, others gross.

Moreover, there are several vendors, the European and non-European re-buy imports. Towards an EU model is fine, but on a non-European equipment in this country you'd have no guarantee.

Learn More:
An exception is re-imports from the European countries

"Zoembel" wrote:
Now I am looking for a dealer's shop in my neighborhood with ...

It will be difficult for professional camcorders. You can find any dealer with Google, but do not be surprised if you go n.oder'd have 100 more to reach of Kaiserslautern from the next. For example, my camera, I have picked up in Karlsruhe, but I myself am living in the vicinity of Frankfurt / M. The reason was because no dealer nearby (ie within was of 100 km) the desired model in stock.

"Zoembel" wrote:
I think I have the cameras (just try out the spot, at least I should have it once held in the hand)

This is a good attitude, because the new device will make you so synonymous fun. With a purchase price of several thousand euros, it should not fail S.50 ¬ petrol money. ;-)

Comparison of these you could possibly synonymous interest:
SonyDSR-PD170 vs.. Panasonic DVX100AE

And one final question: What is your current budget? After all your remarks, I almost think that the new camcorder will probably cost more than 2,500 ¬ ...



Antwort von Zoembel:

"Mark" wrote:

Or a camcorder with this unbalanced jack input and an XLR adapter (for example, of BeachTek ). Welche Lösung die bessere ist, hängt u.s.davon ab, wie oft Du with zusätzlichen Mikrofonen arbeiten wirst.

Im Rahmen des Projekts wird wohl sehr oft ein zusätzliches Microphone zum Einsatz kommen ... Im Anschluß wohl eher seltener, aber das kann ich nicht with Bestimmtheit sagen ... Auf 1000 Euro mehr oder weniger kommts eh nicht mehr an. 2500 als Schmerzgrenze war wohl doch ein wenig zu niedrig angesetzt.

Odd:

IdR is a camcorder that comes along with your own XLR inputs, the bottom line is more expensive than a consumer model with an additional XLR adapter. Ensure the ease of use is higher in a fully equipped machine starting to bring more professional models à la PD170 or DVX100 addition to the XLR connectors for the sound synonymous, of course, other functions.

I have to really decide only whether it's the PD 170, or BE is the DVX100. But this is only a question of price ...

When I ask
SonyDSR-PD170 vs.. Panasonic DVX100AE
Review (thanks for the link) go, I almost think it will be the DVX100.

"Zoembel" wrote:
On each of my site are found other Prices like these actually come about - huge in my eyes - price differences?

"Mark" wrote:

The target group of professional equipment is the commercial users. With intellectual property, it is customary to indicate net, to which VAT will be added to it. Some stores give net, others gross.

I said yes, the price differences inc After everything I've read so, these are but a few s.and to $ 100 price difference. What have I done but totally trouble is when the camera comes along as a bundle with tripod and the like, then I can not even tell whether the price is now ok, or totally overpriced or just very cheap. =)

Quote:

Moreover, there are several vendors, the European and non-European re-buy imports. Towards an EU model is fine, but on a non-European equipment in this country you'd have no guarantee.

Well, it's worth the purchase (from a financial perspective) of the European Re-imports, or makes it hardly noticeable?
Quote:

One or the other 100 appearances can indeed be the decisive buying criterion. :) Maybe I should look around me once in France or Luxembourg?

"Zoembel" wrote:
Now I am looking for a dealer's shop in my neighborhood with ...

Quote:

It will be difficult for professional camcorders.

I have already noticed :-)
Quote:

You can find any dealer with Google, but do not be surprised if you go n.oder'd have 100 more to reach of Kaiserslautern from the next. For example, my camera, I have picked up in Karlsruhe, but I myself am living in the vicinity of Frankfurt / M. The reason was because no dealer nearby (ie within was of 100 km) the desired model in stock.

In the immediate vicinity, I'm no Dealers found =) I would now synonymous take a trip through Germany in Purchase. I am well received range with the wrong expectations s.The thing.

"Zoembel" wrote:
I think I need to



Antwort von Markus:

"Torben" wrote:
What have I done but totally trouble is when the camera comes along as a bundle with tripod and the like, then I can not even tell whether the price is now ok, or totally overpriced or just very cheap.

The parts of a bundle there is usually synonymous to buy separately. Researching on the Internet (just!) Retail prices, then you know it. ;-)

"Torben" wrote:
Well, it's worth the purchase (from a financial perspective) of the European Re-imports, or makes it hardly noticeable?

The price difference can reach up to 10%. However, it is necessary that you look yourself in the nearby countries. There are dealers who obtain their device of there and sell this country in accordance with the best prices.

When I wanted to buy a half years ago SonyPD170, I made the following experience: A device, which for the EU market is determined (whether or not re-import), has a certain minimum price. Dealer sells a new equipment in this price, it is imported from the Far East.

In PD170, I could easily see whether Sony Germany in case the worst does Warranties: For such devices there namely 24 months Silver Support, which means that the defective camcorder and repair of Sonyabgeholt guaranteed within one week will be returned. Otherwise, there is the time for an equivalent replacement.

In Far Eastern imports, only "24 months dealer warranty was" here and that means that you have to send the dealer the defective camcorder, which in turn sends it to the Far East for repairs. This may take several weeks and as long as you stand there without a camcorder.

How do you determine the minimum price at Panasonic? Perhaps only by a call to the dealer? - I do not know.

"Torben" wrote:
... and because ich 2 not sure know whether the camera after not just predominantly (at the purchase price, I probably building a shrine, standing around)).

The implementation of the project takes longer? If not, you could obtain a suitable camcorder synonymous of an equipment rental.

Or you sell on eBay following the unit next. "By remaining warranty" is always a good argument and should have a beneficial impact on the achievable price. ;-)



Antwort von Film-Tiger:

Well, that entsceidend for the quality of a camera is not synonymous, I found an interesting article









Antwort von Markus:

"Film-Tiger wrote:
... so crucial for the quality of a camera is not synonymous ...

The advice on microphones, tripod and I like that, but it creates the impression in the linked text, a cheap camcorder also can supply good photographs like a 10x or even 100x as expensive video camera. I can definitely rule out his own experience.

If the picture-and sound quality of a cheap camcorder really well (aside times of the camera work), then would not be so many amateur filmmakers complain regularly about these same weaknesses.

One also professional microphones are useless if they do not s.den camcorder can be connected. The latest development in the price war is in fact the omission of Microphone and headphone connections, so that even with an XLR adapter may include an external microphone signal can be more.

To this end, I had already written something:
Good shots in the sense of picture-and sound quality not only makes the camcorder ...



Antwort von Film-Tiger:

I have read through the article http://www.film-buch.de/xms.php/xms/137 again: it is already distinguished between the different price categories, but all are compact camcorder (which you can not replace the lens focus) in a group together. And since the differences between a EUR 500-EUR 2,500 and a stop-camera is only marginal.

Quote:
Crucial for the image quality is unfortunately not (the camera one is tempted to say that this is the picture quality almost s.unwichtigsten - provided they meet certain minimum standards), but the cameraman. Who with a simple camera in clear light (cloudy in the morning or afternoon to early evening hours only) from the tripod and turn on medium shot, close and great settings is limited to get better pictures as a cameraman with Digibeta (perhaps the new 50-fold cost), the films from the hand or even in cloudy and rainy weather turned mainly long shots and overview images. [/ url]




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