Frage von willyvario:
Hi,
'm new here in the forum and unfortunately could not find suitable answer.
Also videomäßig I'm an absolute greenhorn.
For occasional shots during your vacation, leisure, etc. I am looking for the following:
SD camcorder to 500 ¬
Although I've only once with a lower resolution (1280x768) film wants to be HD (ability) is not bad, because I use the camcorder in a few years synonymous still want to use. At the moment, but my calculator too bad for HD. Is important to me that I have the recordings to DVD fairly easily and get on my calculator (Intel Centrino 2 GHz, 2GB RAM and 128 MB Grafikarte) can see.
I would like to cut the video is only limited. But I will certainly synonymous in the near future a new growth calculator synonymous times and then try editing DV.
The camera should also have a good photo function possess.
Already had the Panasonic SD 9 and the Sanyo HD 1010 envisaged, but I am irritated because of the many contributions to AVHC and MP-4. When Sanyo was told by many programs and the codec 30 fps not support it. Can the Panasonic SD9 is actually Down resolution (eg 1280x768)?
Would that be for my calculator to cope?
What you advise me. Should I perhaps only once to buy a cheap camcorder and on the HD train later bounce, or is already worth the purchase an HD Camorders I still can not fully use?
About Help I would be very pleased.
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
when I listen to me so, and then look at your situation, I would be an SD camcorder with the old PAL quality.
In the photo you have to function but then clearly slimming.
Two interesting models are the Canon FS 100 or the JVC MS 100, although with photos of the FS 100 with 1 million pixels synonymous for a 10x15 photos are too few (or one can say just enough) - the JVC makes it even worse ...
An SD 9 only makes sense, since your calculator itself to smooth Anschauen been too slow, 2 Ghz are bottom line - we're talking about because not even from the DV editing.
As with Panasonic HD camcorders flash usual, you can only 1440 & 1920x1080er different dial settings.
Sanyo would be an interim thing, I do not have a test on the 1010 view (probably in the new Active video - I guess times). Sanyo has been more than Disappointments (if one of these models with Sony Or Canon looked) - may be better or it is already done.
It could be but synonymous in the photo area (although the Sanyo is a hybrid synonymous) look, especially if the photo function set a high value. Since we would like the Panasonic TZ 5, with 1280x720, 30 P - is a memory eater, but with Quicktime Motion JPEG compression - ie a frame accurate editing is possible.
Component output, it synonymous, a cable must be purchased though. Video will make friends on the 28-200 mm Lens amazed that synonymous in the video mode is available for use - which already has the video converter without a focal of 28 mm (calculated in KB)?
The sound you can not compare with a video camera, it is a mono sound with wave heights and low depths. Not to compare with a Dolby Digital stereo sound of a 100th FS & MS
Also, it has the camera pans a bit harder and in many details of a "real" video camera to beat.
Panasonic is pretty good for her praise IA program, a program that many situations "vorausahnt". That is the shadow of bright backlight with a fast motion detection, or like a Nahaufnahmeerkennung in Photo mode (eg TZ 5) - without as many other cameras prior to the first special program each time.
In total, one could in your case, an interim solution to buy and watch the market next. This can be worthwhile, so some of the camera now costs 599 ¬, has a year ago still well placed 1300 ¬. And then later buy an HD Camera ....
This way übrigends at the moment a lot of clients, which the company high definition - especially Panasonic - not exactly thrilled.
There are very few well-designed cameras. Good, 500 ¬ for an HD camera is at the moment anyway, but far too little money, you get to stop an old SD 9, or a camera in the back pack (Sanyo).
VG
Jan
Antwort von willyvario:
Hi Jan,
Thank you for your comprehensive answer.
Camera comes for me, no question. Have a Panasonic LX2. Pictures are great but the sound of the videos is too bad and you can zoom while recording is not in use.
Since I do with the LX2 a good image Still Camera it seems the Canon, or JVC probably the best and cheapest alternative to be. Since I have to make concessions s.Stillimage.
One question I have. As described filming the Sanyo 1010 synonymous in 1280x768 or 640x480. She uses the MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 as Compression. Does my calculator synonymous with low Resolutionbuckeln to Compression to read?
What's even s.guten hybrid models in a handy format?
Thanks and regards,
willy vario
Antwort von Fenek:
JVC, or probably the best and cheapest alternative to be. If you almost 1 KG s.Masse not shock
and a sound quality is required,
I have due to a change in the system a very well-preserved
JVC GR-PD1 like a Swiss clock is must,
"with JVC-test and system cleaning"
Look just under the heading Biete into it, because you will already find
if you have questions about this test, you simply meld: D
Grüßle markus
Antwort von newsart:
Offer you our SONY PC-110 at. One-chip DV camcorder with firewire In and Out and In and Out analogy. Handycam Model. With WW-Century proffessionelem intent. Photo and function including Flash on board.
Antwort von Jan:
Hi Jan,
Thank you for your comprehensive answer.
Camera comes for me, no question. Have a Panasonic LX2. Pictures are great but the sound of the videos is too bad and you can zoom while recording is not in use.
Since I do with the LX2 a good image Still Camera it seems the Canon, or JVC probably the best and cheapest alternative to be. Since I have to make concessions s.Stillimage.
One question I have. As described filming the Sanyo 1010 synonymous in 1280x768 or 640x480. She uses the MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 as Compression. Does my calculator synonymous with low Resolutionbuckeln to Compression to read?
What's even s.guten hybrid models in a handy format?
Thanks and regards,
willy vario Yes, the LX 2 is rather weak on video, autofocus while the video does not know exactly how the optical zoom during the video - which can be the new TZ 5 Increased and the synonymous with 1280x720 with 30 frames / sec!
The sound is really not the Burner.
If I use the data sheet of 1010 read correctly, it remains in MPEG 4 / H.264 setting in all grades. I am with Sanyo questions but not the freak. I have the cameras rather left aside, as the test magazines partially showed large deficiencies under (such as Video Active and Slashcam ....) There is a regular bad AF, stabilizer, bad talk Lowlight - Test Grade 20-30% worse than for Canon Sony, JVC and Pana.
It makes sense but not necessarily with the HD 640x 480 in 1010 to film, as a Canon FS 100 or a JVC MS 100 in the area are definitely better. Or a good used camera you could take synonymous ...
One of the good times finally tested hybrid camera is the Samsung HMX 20th
VG
Jan
Antwort von willyvario:
Booyah! Thank you again.
Where can you test because s.besten videos of the models described here. I think that would be handy because I can see what my calculator so I cope with and a decision.
Many greetings,
willy vario
Antwort von willyvario:
Hello together,
which is probably no real alternative for me there, my wallet nice and buy me the time being no HD camcorder. So my priorities have shifted slightly:
On the photo I renounce function. It is important to me that I have the films on DVD can bring. Small Camera should be synonymous.
@ Jan: You have given me the Canon FS11 and the JVC MS 100 recommended. What would be your favorite? Is there in this segment which is still good?
I would like to see sample sequences. Someone knows where you can download what?
Thanks and regards, really good forum.
willy vario
Antwort von Jan:
Hello,
in the network, there are many such films, unfortunately, synonymous a large number of really bad. Test pictures (depending on availability) are available at Slashcam or Videoaktiv.de.
FS 11 recommendations, I rarely, as a black FS 100 with 16 GB built-in memory - the approximately ¬ 100 more expensive. Unfortunately, cost 16 GB maximum 70 - 80 ¬, 50 ¬ more.
The Canon FS 100 has over the winner receiving the included its relatively small battery holds long. You may well be the best basic screen, its external microphone input is synonymous of a rarity in the class.
For JVC MS 100, there are only a few tests, it has camcorderinfo.com just behind the Canon shelved, and the stabilizer Lowlight was even higher, but the basic picture is NEN Tick worse. The JVC MS 100 wins battery choice, because you s.ihr 3 different sizes can start (BN VF 808 / 815 & 823), the Canon, there is only one size, because it has a internal battery tray has - which means a battery for about 90 min.
These are currently the two best models in the old PAL standard with flash memory. Sonyhat there is no model in a view - there are the hybrid HDD camera SR 35 - but not too good. Panasonic has with the SW 20 (water density) and with the S 7 which may be "narrow" in the market, unfortunately, convinced the two models are not completely synonymous. The two cameras have not synonymous hand strap (such as Canon & JVC), they can not quite keep the best.
The Panasonic models have advantages but synonymous with the device, you can already divide the scenes, what with Canon and JVC will not work.
VG
Jan
Antwort von willyvario:
Ok,
I've already almost to the FS 100 and thus contravening an HD Cam decided.
HD videos are the hammer, but my calculator has, unfortunately, in the test videos Sanyo 1000 has geruckelt. White but not with whether the Resolutiongefilmt were full.
Canon FS 100 videos I have found and also the current active video read.
Unfortunately, I could of the JVC so far found nothing.
Has anyone a link? possibly RapidShare?
Würd happy I know what Cam in ease is better (Software), ie how do I get the videos quickly via easy PC to DVD (without an external burner).
Thank you again but for the good help.
Antwort von Jan:
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Antwort von Jan:
Yes, I must once again confirm the JVC MS 100 files can be at least in the playlist in the Camera shorter.
VG
Jan
Antwort von willyvario:
And again, I ..
Now have both cameras in the store and tested views. The Canon I liked it better. The only drawback I've found is the Zoomwippe. The zoom is extremely fast and it makes for an untrained hand almost impossible s.ein object heranzuzoomen properly. Can you change the speed or something to limit the zoom?
Which Camera is because the Image Stabilization better?
Many greetings,
Willy Vario
Antwort von Jan:
The Canon has three different zoom speed - adjustable in the menu - you need to test. The camera even has a Tonpegelanzeige - very rare in the class to 500 ¬.
I would be in a well-stabilizer type, against a Canon & Panasonic with optical stabilizer, but they have no chance.
VG
Jan
Antwort von willyvario:
Here is an update to my buying decision:
After extensive practice test I looked at the Canon FS 100 order, since I leave next week to go and absolutely need a CameraLink. Yesterday she came s.and I'm thrilled. The video quality is good and for my purposes perfectly aureichend. In bad light is the very picture lint, but it is a general problem. Her handling of the camera is very good, inutitive handling, sits comfortably in the hand (synonymous with my big hands handball).
Here are a couple things that disturb me:
1. The camera records in MOD format. This can be done immediately once Media Player does not read. If the files are renamed to MPG, gehts. VLC, AVS (incidentally, plays almost everything), Quicktime, WMP work. However, all the 16:9 format to 4:3 again. This is because the flag (whatever that is synonymous) for 16:9 is not set. SD-Copy tool will help. Someone knows how the flag can be set manually?
Once this is done you can play the videos well.
2. The software of Canon (Pixela ImageMixer (TM) 3 SE) is complete as. Llsh .. t! It recognizes my DVD-Burners not to burn the files. Editing the video is slow, which is not s.meinem Calculator is because the videos in Ulead Video Studio 8 normally processed.
3. Have mentioned as Ulead Video Studio 8 Unfortunately, the program recognizes the file but without sound. When Windows Movie Maker is the other way round, he only recognizes the sound of the file. What can you do?
I have actually bought the camcorder, if not forever and her files to convert and to avoid long delays. With SUPER Converter convert is no alternative for me.
I'm looking for a editing program, which recognizes the beginning of files. Please nothing complicated. I am a beginner and would like to capture only the files, a trim, edit, Music drunterlegen and then burn. Since my calculator is not too fast, would be synonymous a leaner, older version that requires less resources sufficiently. For this purpose there is not even freeware?
Antwort von Jan:
Ist ja schön - that you are satisfied.
Yes it is the MOD files, I would have equal say. But is the competition of JVC and Panasonic not synonymous.
The Canon SW've not yet tested, of the Panasonic and JVC does so - at least for a beginner. Programs cost halt Good Money.
Specific software questions are not my main area, plus I need the other user .....
Who can help?
VG
Jan
Antwort von willyvario:
Ok. Magix Video Deluxe 2008, it. I have the trial version downloaded and it works quite well.
Do you that it is synonymous the 2007 version does, because there are probably cheaper and it requires fewer resources.
On the site again many thanks for the support.
Regards,
Heiko
Antwort von Jan:
Correction JVC MS 100 - with the included program can not be cut, but as a DVD, a DVD menu and burn the videos onto Youtube upload. DV editing needs to be with her in the playlist (in the Camera) or be made even better with another program.
VG
Jan
Antwort von Lars 007:
Hi Jan
I am in search of a camcorder (it is for a retired couple's) because I have several posts of Gelsen you have these very well and are vormuliert I would be happy times in this s.dich wenden.Und Although I have the Canon HV30 and SonyHDR SR7 60GB envisaged hierbezüglich what is the better option, or what I perhaps overlooked!
Sorry that I s.alle with another topic in this forum co.
MFG
Antwort von darg:
Hello,
to the theme again on the Sanyo to get here and my input to the HD1010.
I have the cam for about three months and on a trip to Malaysia in detail filmed. The cam is for me a somewhat more robust Run & Gun replacement for Situationenl the AGMs of my Canon would not do.
Did the Cam at B & H in the bundle with the Unterwassergehaeuse bought what Goody is a nice, if it should be wet. The cam is very compact and the real advantage is that it has no moving parts and no optical Bildstabbi, when vibrations as they occur in the car and all zBsSaugfussscheibenstativ OIS since have failed so far.
The picture is not as Krisp like the AGMs of Canon, with the H.264 seems pans of Sanyo to fail. The images blur even more than the MPG2 of Canon, which requires slow panning, even slower than in HDV!
The codec is nothing for people who do not have NASA mainframe, edit native is not feasible. My 3.6GHz Dual Core jerky during playback, so I will have to convert all usable Scenes using Cineform.
The automatic white balance come in Artificial very quickly through each other and selects the wrong color, almost ALWAYS! So determine manual or use presets.
On a 16GB SDHC fit about 2 hours material in 1080i or 1080p, which is OK.
Overall, the CAM-quality OK but not halt with an HV30 to compare. From handling the pistol-like grip OK.
Since synonymous with the cam of Wide Angle is not intoxicating, I have the 0.7 and 0.4 Fisheye synonymous of the Sanyo worried. The 0.7 is fully aufgezoomt OK, but you should not get too far reinzoomen, otherwise it would very quickly distortion and the corners there will be blurred. The Fisheye has shading when vollaufgezoomt. However, since the display has no overscan, you can quite easily on the screen Zoom out. Then there are severe distortions in the corners now. Only a little too far and there is reingezoomt unsharp corners / empty margins.
Overall, the Cam nothing for people who have a Canon or Sonygewoehnt are. The codec is too bad programmed to native processing. Here are the Canon much better codecs. The picture quality is OK but tears from a non-stool.
Antwort von Jan:
@ Darge - nice Sanyo Report!
Lars @ 007 - that's really been so often described (or compared) has been that you do not wish to repeat continuously.
The SR 7 would I do not buy anymore, because the successor SR 11 has already proven, and in my opinion is better.
Such as the HV 30 has some advantages (DV editing easier, better archiving) SR 11 or a few advantages (relatively good photos, long recording time, direct scene access and editing in DV camera etc) will be here every day really discussed.
When choosing a non-tape camcorder would be my choice instead of the SR 11, the Canon HG 20 of his, since it is cheaper, in the higher data rate works as a second medium, the effective & SD HC card takes.
But this is subjective, it is synonymous with the SR 11 live ....
80% here in the forum you are but the veteran HV 30 heartily.
VG
Jan
Antwort von elbe:
and although ...
I am in possession of a canon mv960 (quite enough for me, with smear, and has always made good Results), but would like to switch to digital to give me the annoying digitizer to spare. because my videos anyway in the premiere cut, I must therefore render anyway.
since the videos on the web but synonymous later on dvd very good quality in their space for the after-world place, it should already be hd-variante.
it should also be compact and the cam for "undercover" projects.
I spend hours and read through the following web cams are now available for selection:
Sanyo Xacti hd1010
SonyHDR-TG3
Panasonic SDR-S150EG (although not hd)
I liebäugele yes especially with the sanyo. what do you think? the results are useful or the processing of the videos with adobe uncomplicated?
the cam is just a transitional measure, until I see a good hd-cam and acquire the good in "undercover projects" as much as possible substitute.
would be nice if you give me because the decision would help;)
I thank you sincerely!
