Frage von philippus:
Hello!
I'm new here, hot and Philip come from Kassel in Hesse.
Now to my problem:
I am looking longer a suitable camcorder for me synonymous and have been used to search. I need him just as a pocket camcorder, HD quality, I need not, however, should not be synonymous Picture verpixxelt be.
There are now very many camcorders in this area, so I wanted to ask if you times it may be a TIP for me what you camcorder in this price class (around 150 ¬) is still s.besten.
Would I really be helpful.
Schöne Grüße!
Antwort von Markus73:
I would say: The cheapest, which is not entirely a bad thing and you, under certain circumstances might recommend is the Panasonic GS90, it is currently just under 200 EUR for it.
Regards,
Markus
Antwort von philippus:
Hi!
thank you in advance for the TIP!
Are there any other alternatives? Are there any sites where they are cheap compared directly?
Greetings!
Antwort von Markus73:
First, you should be clear what storage format you want. That means, above all, how / how much you record the videos with what should be done, ie: processing, output format, use, etc. Then you can give sensible recommendations.
Regards,
Markus
Antwort von tommyb:
For 150, - you get definitely synonymous to what 150, - worth. At best, it will be something better than an actual camera phone (with video function).
That is why you should but a little more money-saving or, alternatively, the AIPTEK scrap of Ebay fetch (but please do not complain here).
Look at the Camera s.und speaker synonymous throw a glance at the PANASONIC SDR-S9 (saves on SD cards, a normal PAL signal in MPEG2).
Alternatively you can you with a little more money in your pocket after discarded equipment at Ebay scout. Then, but not identical to the oldest device such offer but perhaps 1 to 2 years old (invoice).
Antwort von philippus:
ok then I'll tell you something I want to:
- They should be small and handy (I know it because the deductions are in the quality).
- Aiptek here if I wanted to buy scrap, I would ask you not :-)
- It should be a better quality than cell phone quality
- Money I do not save, but I have I do not pretend to be professionally filmed
- Wants the camera to "take away" as if I work with the next weekend going to the zoo, a little shooting.
I thank you in advance for the replies, really class that I know to appreciate, maybe you can find me yes now offering something more specific, once you know what I want.
schöne grüße!
Ps:
here are 2 customer recessions to the Panasonic Camera:
I am sorry about this device say that after the first images it becomes clear that this device, even for beginners may not be enough.
The image noise is enormous and lowlight properties are almost non-existent.
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1 of 11 people found the following review helpful:
This camcorder deserves no more than 1 star!, 15 July 2008
By Christine "xxx" - See all my reviews
I must unfortunately think of D. Fauerbach on this device. I thought to myself like that of a camcorder at this price do not expect much, but this camcorder is in my opinion not even a video just beginners. The picture and sound quality leaves much to be desired and there are masses of strong image artifacts and noise. The Image Stabilization is Okande gets 1 star. The 42-fold opt. Zoom is perhaps sometimes quite good to use, but otherwise ... I am on the whole line of disappointed with this camcorder! As a long-time videographers of Panasonic, I would have a better product is expected, and my old Panasonic DV camcorder takes place thanks to a better picture and sound quality now but continue to use!
sounds somehow not as bright at :-(
Antwort von Bernd E.:
Noise ... ... ... enormously lowlight properties ... almost non-existent ... strong noise ... Such statements speak less against this Panasonic and more specifically against your camcorder in this price range generally Similar disappointing ratings are synonymous for Canon, Sony or JVCs this category, since no manufacturer in this price class can do wonders. In addition, there may be s.der far in advance usually exaggerated expectations of buyers who are often synonymous assume that a new camcorder whole car should be better than an older (though at that time a lot has cost and not according to the motto "greed -ist-geil "had to be constructed).
Since you are but before you purchase and inform you realize is that a 150-euro-quality camcorder best a cellphone video suggests, I would of customer reviews this is not too deterred. Maybe you're so the opportunity for a dealer in the eligible models themselves time to test?
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Markus73:
Hello,
in addition to what already Bernd wrote:
The GS90 is likely to be the best, what you in this price class can get. It provides, as in the small Panasonic devices usual in good light is a fairly decent picture (if not synonymous as sharp as in the more expensive 3CCD devices). The above-mentioned deficiencies in low light are the system, if you want good Lowlightfähigkeit then you need at the price set out CLEARLY.
With your price range 150 EUR lying still below the lower entry-level class, so you should see your expectations are not so high level that you get nothing that some good results. Why else should people ten or twenty times the output of good cameras?
Regards,
Markus
Antwort von philippus:
hmm ... naja also ich sags mal so, as I said I will not, by itself, produce movies ... only s.and s.was lustiges filming. I thought maybe you can give me a TIP s.besten where I have come away, because I think synonymous, even among the "billib devices" there are still differences in quality, and handy when I want ... something a little bit possible small, then it is already clear to me that because of course the quality of deductions must be made.
Antwort von Markus73:
A tip I had already given you so that you are still allowed s.meisten get quality for the money.
It is important, as mentioned already written, then what happened with the videos should be. The GS90 is called a mini-DV camera, ie it provides good conditions for a smooth and high quality finishing, conversely, you have to be synonymous but stop a little trouble to the camera spits directly from a DVD.
Regards,
Markus
Antwort von philippus:
well, I already wanted to like the videos immediately draw on the pc ... I want to edit eh ... not as I said ... should only be a few fun shots you. what's still there for me in the area?
I mean ... if you say they are always bad, then I do not give 200 ¬ for a Panasonic, if one for 79 ¬ of synonymous Aiptek makes .. if both ne bad quality, then I decide to prefer the cheaper
Antwort von Jan:
This I see as synonymous (Markus & Bernd). There are synonymous to me in the store a large number of customers who participate as 3 chip devices were good for 2000-4000 with a DM 200 ¬ SonyHC 51 or GS 90 Panasonic compare.
This can not go well. I'm busy these user reports on the net on mercilessly. Once large claims are the problem, another time a user says his camera into the sky, but without the competitors to know.
If you have a lot in low light - indoor or more generally - film, and do not want or can illuminate, then the JVC GR 815, 818 & 825 is an alternative. She has been with Lowlight a bit better than the GS 90 or you take the SonyHC 51st But do not expect miracles.
On the other numerous advantages of the GS 90 but then you have to renounce (best wide angle, the best stabilizer, Charger included, Best Picture during daylight hours in the classroom, favorable external battery choice without wild searches etc).
The Prices have jumbled in my apprenticeship in 1993 in the shop in Dresden, there were 8 mm camera for around 900 DM - partly with mono sound!
And a Aiptek (for about ¬ 50-100) is as much of a Panasonic GS 90 away as Pluto, the planet of Earth, ne Aiptek actually lives in another solar system. In comparison, the earth as well represented!
VG
Jan
Antwort von philippus:
So the JVC GR 815 interests me now ... is because the gs90 so much better that it would make sense? 70 ¬ because different are not synonymous to despise .. and you can ask again for the 51 entries SonyHC? yes, the sounds of the test report very good.
otherwise thank you in advance for your very long and useful text! am guided s.dir when I buy myself a camcorder.
Antwort von Jan:
The two cameras are very comparable, the same league.
But in such a small score, the Panasonic is better, therefore, synonymous with the winner Active or video chip. Where - I had already written.
The JVC was the Viewfinder gekürtzt, so synonymous has its weaknesses. Video Active has still seen as second-, Canon and Sony made the last two seats.
Well, the Panasonic is synonymous not infallible, their Lowlightschwäche and their lack of filter threads, one could mention.
But as I said before, we need in the low class no Riesenaufriss make here is now no time to ¬ 200.
Who is more demanding - must halt the Panasonic GS 330 taking ...
Yes with the JVC GR D 815, you can live very well - if one wants to spend 150 ¬. However, it can be synonymous to go SonyHC 51 - then the best night program - NightShot plus - for the professionals spurned, the Normalos are not able or willing to shed light on but still respectable in motion pictures.
VG
Jan
Antwort von philippus:
@ jan
Now I wanted to ask you again but what you think of the
PANASONIC SDR-S9
haelen? The building is technically an alternative?
Antwort von Jan:
The S 9 is very closely related with the S 7, 10 & SW 20th The Bildqualittät is comparable, so a bit worse than JVC MS 100 and Canon FS 100th All of these Panasonic units have unfortunately no right hand strap, it is only a small wrist strap included.
What is a proper hand strap brings you see in the MS & FS 100, you have the cameras are perfectly under control (you will be one) - look at it in the business at times. For Panasonic (7.9 S, 10 S & 20) have always put my clients how to use the Camera s.besten in the hand, often comes a comic two-hand operation (with the small camera!) Then you get kind of a strange feeling. Bad is the S 9 is not.
VG
Jan
Antwort von philippus:
I've now bought the Panasonic GS90. The image quality indoors is not so perfect ... but better than I thought, I'm already satisfied, the processing is synonymous gut. I think with daylight shots at the better quality (I hope). willy-nilly, must wait until tomorrow:)
Antwort von philippus:
So I must say ...
indoors and at night the picture is very grainy ... but s.tag it is perfectly ok, for the intro, this camera is super ... 16:9 and optical image stabilizer are synonymous awesome for the price ...
What is clear ... a super picture quality, it has not, but I was indeed beginning of s.klar ... anyway, it is their money worth .. synonymous of the processing you notice about the Aiptek unterschid ;-)
s.euch So thank you again, I think I've made the right decision.
Antwort von Jan:
It sounds like you, we said yes to the weak light, the JVC or the Sony a bit better. But there are no worlds - you can get the test so Videoaktiv.de look at pictures to compare.
The exterior image but should be pretty good - that was of only very few users criticized - at least the users of a 200 ¬ Camera searched and they are not with a 400 ¬ Camera were compared.
Most Aiptek camcorders are usually worse yet - the show trials of the magazines and so many back in the shop.
I will now Aiptek not pull through the dirt, they definitely have the motto "as much as possible at the best price" unfortunately, the components that are installed in you, not 100%
The whole package fits the GS 90 but easy, as can be seen for example with its wide-angle focal length of 33.8 mm - there is already some on it. There are a lot of filmmakers with the 40 or 45 mm focal work, and in rooms almost nothing to get the picture.
VG
Jan
