Frage von paris3:
Hello, I'm new in this forum and hope to help because I am not technically good enough familiar. I do as a journalist in France for several television German TV channel, ZDF usdas. So far this has worked quite well with Beta SP ... ZDF because now it has converted to 16:9 is now no more. I'm in the jungle of different camera formats now completely overwhelmed, and everyone tells me something else, or any French cameraman wants me weismachen that his camera is the best. From the quality of the ZDF would accept: Digital Beta, Beta SX, DVC Pro 50 - but not very widespread in France DV CAM. Now I read anywhere of AG-HPW500 or SONY PMW EX-1, etc, etc. My question is: Who is working professionally for big German TV channels and can give me a standard TV format recommend gladly accepted and will not BetaDigital is? What are the alternatives? Does the purchase price one from her interesting camera, which would satisfy the demands? What is important accessories for a professional reporting? Thanks for all the answers.
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Antwort von PowerMac:
1. With a system to work is not only a system to use. Many turn to HDV, DVCProHD, XDCAM (HD) and play than anything else, such as Digibeta or DVCPRO50 from. A system is therefore not surprising that recording format and output format must match. Solve them yourself. With so many formats, which today makes no sense anymore. Therefore take the best HD Camera and always converted into the right format. Actually, the only format currently MPEG-2 Full Profiles in 4:2:2 and 50 Mbit / s. This is wonderful from a variety of HD formats generate.
2. Solve yourself of tapes as a recording and Ausspielformat. It's much faster to work with memory cards, because the data are immediately without real-time views available in the NLE.
Especially with the current contributions, it is practically his data on a server. Satellite transmission, ATM - nobody needs to post more. Far too expensive. A quick Internet access and the data as an MPEG-2 with 50 Mbit / s (exact specifications in the technical inspection guidelines available) to an FTP server to upload. This allows almost all broadcasters now. Yes, you have not a single tape competence.
3. Purchase SD no longer matters. Only HD equipment. Advantage: better picture quality with SD and future security. DVCAM is dead is dead DV Beta SP is dead and the others (Digibeta, DVCPRO50, IMX) are doomed to death. In five years there is only HD on the transmitters.
4. Learn about and interested in you for the format. Ignorance of technology was in vogue among editors, but is now in the age of VJs deadly.
5. Get familiar with your editing system. To convert files around now is normal and important!
6. My tip: the SonyEX1. If only HD on to memory cards and offers little money for an extremely good picture quality. To do this you need a new editing system (tip my MacBook Pro with Final Cut Studio 2). You must always herunterkonvertieren before submitting to the server and upload or off. Approximately at a used-Digibeta VTR.
Antwort von veit:
Sorry, but why SonyEX1 if it still does not exist. How can you recommend?
Antwort von Pianist:
You said: Digibeta, Beta SX and DVCPro50. Digibeta would you not, for whatever reason always synonymous. Beta SX not get you, because in Germany only a one-digit number of cameras sold, and they are all in possession of the home shopping channel QVC. Remains DVCPRO50. Ikegami currently sells some demo equipment, including an HL-V79W. The camcorder is between 4:3 and 16:9 switchable and will cost EUR 11,690, practically mocking cheap. They have a good lens, a good tripod (for example, Sachtler Video 18) and the usual accessories like Batteries, head light, etc.
So for around 20,000 euros can you best with well-preserved and used technology to equip you so s.sich for PAL TV ratios in the current top-operate.
If you want more than just news films, will of course be a Sound (SQN, Microphone, Angel, or wireless technology) is due.
BTW: It is not true that man with Beta SP 16:9 no can do. If you have a camera docked with BVV-5 you need to just in front the camera head against a switchable 16:9-exchange model, for example, an Ikegami HC-400W. When playing on a modern omnivorous or IMX Digibeta machine synonymous SP see excellent shots from. There can only be that you like the station then a little to cut the money. You need durchrechnen, which is more favorable.
Matthias
Antwort von Pianist:
2. Solve yourself of tapes as a recording and Ausspielformat. It's much faster to work with memory cards, because the data are immediately without real-time views available in the NLE. Perhaps we should Ursprungsfragerin the first nor reveal whether they are only the rotated material provenance, or whether they primarily makes films and complete for the entire production process is responsible. Then it can be of course the paths you described, as I do synonymous. But if it delivers directly, then you can forget the present.
Matthias
Antwort von PowerMac:
Sorry, but why SonyEX1 if it still does not exist. How can you recommend? Thus, the present day. There are various tests on the Internet, dozens s.Diskussionen in forums, dogs s.Fotos, exhibition equipment at trade fairs. Everything about the EX1. And everything leads me to the verdict that the EX1 is the best camera for under 10,000 euros will be. Even if they still can not buy.
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) Perhaps we should Ursprungsfragerin the first nor reveal whether they are only the rotated material provenance, or whether they primarily makes films and complete for the entire production process is responsible. Then it can be of course the paths you described, as I do synonymous. (...) That may be. At least for the ZDF. Your article in last cameraman, I found the way, good.
Antwort von veit:
http://www.mpec-gmbh.de/hd/_detailpage/kameras/camcorder/3344/Sony_PMW-EX1.htmlWas ist das denn? Die gibts doch ncoh gar nicht zu kaufen!
Ich lese da nirgendswo etwas of vorbestellen oder ähnlichem.
Antwort von Pianist:
Your article in last cameraman, I found the way, good. Thanks a lot! But it was fortunately not the last cameraman, this month comes the next ... :-)
Let's see whether it works and what is more for people interested in this camera. Now she is the first time on stock available. BTW: Currently running of Monday through Wednesday in each ZDF at 14.15 clock 30teilige the documentary "SOS Animal Babies." It was completely with four HD Editcams (worldwide) rotated because a HD-second recovery will take place. Only by eliminating the cost of tape was this series ever be economically feasible, say the producers.
Matthias
Antwort von FranzK:
Hello. A perhaps silly but not cynical gemeinteFrage: Why are Digibeta cams are still needed even more expensive if they
s.keine future and have more
b) anyway worse than HD cams are?
The curious French
Antwort von Pianist:
Why are Digibeta cams are still needed even more expensive if they
s.keine future and have more
b) anyway worse than HD cams are? Because they
s.noch at least five years before the future and have
b) for the present purpose are optimally suited.
This is only for devices that are switchable. A 700 or 707er You now get significantly cheaper.
Matthias
Antwort von PowerMac:
I declare to me this way:
This is a different type of technology, their accompanying mentality from another period. Digibeta stuff was always expensive. It was synonymous well and was therefore of all that is something to be considered synonymous used. Only men were allowed to correct camera s.die Digibeta. The thing was expensive, so it must be synonymous still expensive and
professional. Who once for 100,000 marks a major equipment bought, sold, they are not happy for 5000 euros. It is not true in the minds of older generation into that today's cameras are better and cheaper. In my experience, cavort the Digibeta value estimator mainly in the public service. Just last week I was with an older documentary cameraman of HR discussed. But even he sets a HDX-900 (DVCProHD) a. Personally, I could with SD no longer start. All company and want to get HD. HD brings higher quality reserves, synonymous when something of a transmitter only as SD will be sent. Even the public service broadcasters are in the not too distant time send HD. ARD / ZDF in the next two years. It is worthwhile in view of the above is no longer in SD to invest. A discarded match Digibeta grad still purely because if you are sure is still several years in SD and 16:9 production. Really I find it ludicrous that some people actually still a buy 970 new.
Antwort von Pianist:
Really I find it ludicrous that some people actually still a buy 970 new. Well, or that this device is still developed. Does not synonymous with me in the head inside.
Matthias
Antwort von paris3:
Thank you for the numerous, very insightful answers! Synonymous, I think that you are a journalist (in) today technically should know better, otherwise it would no longer ... Mostly, I completely cut contributions, isolated to the sender but synonymous material. Can you then - if it is synonymous expensive - the material from your computer back to tape off? And: What is with the storage capacity of the EX 1? Is it synonymous for longer matters, or rather news / magazine articles brief for? Merci!
Antwort von PowerMac:
The EX1 uses memory cards and it has two slots. During the filming, you can be uninterrupted ever insert a new card and stop out. The capacity of a camera with memory cards is logically determined by the number of memory cards and their capacity.
You can with two tickets for updates or a live music video filming or 20 need two weeks if you go to Peru. Therefore, the camera itself suitable for every application. The question is, how much memory you can afford and want.
Antwort von FranzK:
Interesting.
Another question: Is it really true that the quality of the HD cams Digibetas in the shadows are? I found the quality of television reportage s and similar contributions always top. What is it with (lower) depth (eg as a stylistic device '), are the HD cams as synonymous superior?
And an EX1 as I hear now the measure of all (HD-) things?
Thank you for the insightful answers - Franz
Antwort von PowerMac:
No, television is the stuff HDW-900 is currently probably the measure of all things.
http://www.mpec-gmbh.de/hd/_herstellerlist/kameras/camcorder/hdcam%252Fhdcam%2Bsr.html
Antwort von paris3:
But if I have understood correctly, the EX 1 of the quality sufficient for television contributions, bzw.Reportagen for public broadcasters?
Antwort von PowerMac:
Jo.
Antwort von paris3:
Toll! And for the price actually hard to believe ... Was it even ever so affordable professional camera (in the TV area), or is it now a "small revolution" in the industry?
Antwort von robbie:
oh well ... if the PD170 as a professional camera, you can call to say yes.
It is holding everything in flux.
Nevertheless, the EX1 has s.Schulterkameras close up, at least the picture quality is concerned.
But they have other advantages then again ...
Antwort von PowerMac:
It was previously synonymous with inferior and / or cheaper cameras make good films. But this camera (EX1) is for damn good price. It actually builds s.das Concept of Panasonic DVX100/SonyPD170 to. These are the typical VJ cameras, how they are used daily. This follows the success of the Panasonic HVX200 and the SonyZ1, it's the HD successor, with the Z1 HDV recorded on tapes, the Panasonic but on memory cards. Both were good, with different strengths and weaknesses. Sonykopiert the HVX200 in some way and has almost the ultimate small camera built. The best of all at the same time and they can almost everything. Suitable for the latest posts, or synonymous for scenic shooting. The specifications are impressive and the handling is synonymous. Noteworthy are the large image converter and the right Optics. The Camera is a remarkably pleasing Evolution, not revolution. So far, the best thing ever in the price range. And from their HD, you can create great SD, which is synonymous with the quality of Digibeta can keep. For me, everything speaks for the Camera.
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Antwort von FranzK:
Times I'm going assume that there is no sample material (test shots) are the EX1?
French
Antwort von PowerMac:
Well, a little brain strain!
Antwort von FranzK:
If you Google with brain strain and Co do - unfortunately without success. You betray me with the magic word, with which I am in the Google test footage EX1 to find? ;-)
Antwort von Klaus Zimmer:
Yes, I would s.diesen Files synonymous burning interested!
Antwort von Pianist:
Is it really true that the quality of the HD cams Digibetas in the shadows are? Can we not say that. If the recordings for all eternity no HD evaluation is planned, but what you s.sich today no longer expect, then remains at normalauflösenden cameras are still significantly better noise behavior when in low light rotates. You can with a DVW-790 easily rotate at +18 db at the high-resolution cameras, the more likely you should not do that yet. So if in doubt (and where possible) put more light. And you have much more precise, so a whole. More specifically, the sharpness, nor accurate exposure, even more careful about what everything in the picture to see and read.
Matthias
Antwort von Pianist:
Toll! And for the price actually hard to believe ... Was it even ever so affordable professional camera (in the TV area), or is it now a "small revolution" in the industry? Najaaaaaa - it stays with the small cameras, as always with the small cameras was: You will always laughed a little, you need to enforce and defend your professionalism. With a big camera you've been there much easier, especially in public spaces, as we have already written many times. And ultimately, the quality is only "fairly good", but can be technically and physically, are not of great quality s.die cameras heranreichen.
It really depends on the nature of your orders from the camera is suitable for you.
Matthias
Antwort von Lena:
hi again, I ...
First I would like to contribute just that I now had some professors who are more negative about the PD170 have omitted ... that they are on the miniDV material does not actually broadcast images (4:2:0 If I remember correctly) and the dess aufgesetzte Optics is too bad ...
An otherwise I would not interessiertob the EX1 to save the mpeg compressed? I've now been given so much negative about that (especially at synonymous Slashcam)
what do you this?
lg Lena
Antwort von PowerMac:
Nonsense. The camera can see. XDCAM HD is good enough.
Antwort von Pianist:
Nonsense. The camera can see. XDCAM HD is good enough. Never ... :-)
Matthias
Antwort von Pianist:
what do you this? I am still what I already wrote recently, that you betrayed our times should be exactly what you plan and how to be organized. Because of it depends from what is right for you.
Matthias
Antwort von Nacho:
Hello,
was recently on n-tv with children to visit, and use them as synonymous of the house as an additional Z1 camera. Certainly, but the EX1 is a lot sexier, if you are already in the price range is.
Antwort von paris3:
Hello, Here again Paris3 (the original Fragerin ...); I shoot mainly fashion shows, events such as award ceremonies, gala evenings, portraits, lifestyle bzw.kurze contributions - and I could imagine, an EX 1 to buy if these quality demands of the public service broadcaster should meet ... Can man so very rough comparisons with other cameras reflect what the image quality is concerned?
Merci
Antwort von PowerMac:
I say: a par with older Digibetas. But only when it comes to the ultimate in SD picture quality goes. The depth of it varies.
Antwort von Pianist:
I say: a par with older Digibetas. Although the above applications is with a great camera probably better and safer than realized with a small, because at such events, simply complete control over aperture and sharpness needs. And a good tripod.
Matthias
Antwort von WoWu:
.... what are the only professors who tell such a nonsense:
The daily broadcasts in the digital TV MPEG2 4:2:0.
The new HD cameras are much better than what the Digi Beta times did. Alone in the upper frequency range of 5 - 5.5 MHz), they have compared to the SD cameras a considerably more linear history. The fürht to a significantly better spatial resolution.
But in fact the Power Mac has quite s.Anfang everything.
Among the new cameras would now have a whole list, you could enumerate s.Vorzügen here and I actually do not know whether they really have with the Digi-Beta even compare ....
So, paris3 ... Courage to the new Camera.
(In addition, you must block the so synonymous still dragging already ... that alone would be a good reason against the DB.)
Antwort von PowerMac:
I say: a par with older Digibetas.
Although the above applications is with a great camera probably better and safer than realized with a small, because at such events, simply complete control over aperture and sharpness needs. And a good tripod.
Matthias Of course, a shoulder camera is always great from his handling. This I see as synonymous. But for little money, there is just no little quality, but decent quality. You searched for a lot of money for good quality synonymous. About your Camera synonymous costs by a factor of ten more than EX1! The quality is not so much the better.
For sharpness and aperture, the EX1 offers synonymous, with a real manual Optics. Therefore, it is synonymous to "hot"!
Antwort von Pianist:
About your Camera synonymous costs by a factor of ten more than EX1! The quality is not so much the better. Well, prices are easier to compare as soft factors such as the image quality or ease of use. Between the small and the big cameras are always some gaps remain, as is already the Manufacturer for. Most shows a direct comparison synonymous of the very significant differences. Too little of the new Sony camera, I can say nothing, because I never had in his hand and still not synonymous recordings of her have seen. There remain weaknesses Halbzoll chips, Long-GOP compression and a rather meager data. All this does not necessarily negatively impact on the final product, but the risk is higher than for a large camera. Headquarters Vulnerability is usually the viewfinders, which is simply not good enough to display the Picture really can be assessed. With my viewfinders cost almost exactly as much as the whole SonyEX1.
As an entrepreneur, you should always synonymous following invoice in mind to: What does it cost me, when certain images are not usable and the client so upset about is that a long-standing cooperation is terminated? As would be the much more expensive camera was considerably cheaper. That's why I voted for the plucked sound always been my SQN, synonymous with the sound to full control. You have now just 100 percent reliable quality.
Matthias
Antwort von Lena:
what do you this?
I am still what I already wrote recently, that you betrayed our times should be exactly what you plan and how to be organized. Because of it depends from what is right for you.
Matthias Hello Matthias, I do not know to whom you said / wrote yourself - to me at any rate not. I appreciate your answers and help and hope that just a misunderstanding was.
I'm only synonymous with knowledge s.zu suited me and did not in front of me receives the Camera to buy. Nevertheless, I ask if you recommend a good camera, as it is because with the recording quality is behaving.
I have already heard of several pages, that the record on non-band material can be problematic, because the compression is lost something, and that some editing programs after the problems with getting the form data (Va. synonymous Avid)
My question was only whether the species is negligible?
lg
Lena
Antwort von PowerMac:
(...) I've already heard of several pages, that the record on non-band material can be problematic, because the compression is lost something, and that some editing programs after the problems with getting the form data (Va. synonymous Avid) (...) No.. The people say, the past ten years, the same Avid versions. A current editing program and everything is good. The quality of memory is actually better than many tape formats. What should be synonymous memory per se a higher compression and poorer quality?
Antwort von Pianist:
Hello Matthias, I do not know to whom you said / wrote yourself - to me at any rate not. I appreciate your answers and help and hope that just a misunderstanding was. I have you really confused with the French, which was probably so because women are so rarely write.
Matthias
Antwort von Lena:
The heist of the camera I can say they will not compress mpeg ...?
But then maybe you have some in storage medium to invest?
LG
Lena
Antwort von PowerMac:
No, the camera takes only HDV or XDCAM HD on. MPEG compression is not bad!
Antwort von Lena:
Achso thank
lg
Lena
Antwort von sarasocke:
I have you really confused with the French, which was probably so because women are so rarely write.
Matthias Incidentally, I consider this as a call
lg Lena
Antwort von Berthold:
Issue in a different direction: Does the EX1 with clever Chromakeying out (Blue or Green Screen)?
Antwort von r.p. television:
@ lena
Since I inthe past synonymous numerous fashion shows have filmed it, I know that this is especially a good Weitwinkligkeit asked. Not always can be several meters between herself and bring the catwalk. Stupid if you do not then the entire model without Rotate the camera axis in the Viewfinder brings.
The EX1 is therefore synonymous first choice here, because they are already without WW-converter, a starting focal length of 31.5 (converted to small-film) has.
A good converter lenses are the 22mm possible.
And because of the MPEG compression test you should not worry. The fairy tale ollen worse with motion images are available on the LCD playback equipment and a bad cut due to the encoder.
HDV has a self (for this price and for the Speciherbedarf) a unglaubliuch good performance.
