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Welche Filme wurden auf DV gedreht und wie?

Which films have been rotated to DV and how?



Frage von majuz:
Mai 2006

Hello!
I would like, together with some other a movie shoot.
Of course, we lack the budget to shoot on 35mm too.
Can you tell me please call the longest possible list of Shooting films which have been rotated to DV? I wish reinziehen the films to see what can theoretically be achieved with DV. In addition, I would be very grateful for all possible links, as I possible can from DV rausholen much. Wär echt cool if you can help me!



Antwort von Ephraim:

"majuz" wrote:
Of course, we lack the budget to shoot on 35mm too.


Then it turns to super-16th Arri brings to soon release a new camera.

DV =
Wim Wenders' Buena Vista Social Club ", 1999

Two more citations for further contemplation:
"A story always needs only the technology it needs to be properly told."

"There is nothing wrong with making a movie on a small camera when he would not have occurred otherwise."
Both: cinematographer Franz Lustig in 5 / 2006, p. 14



Antwort von Axel:

"Buena Vista Social Club" is determined by the best film of Wenders (sorry, "Paris, Texas" fans) and a proof of Ephraim's thesis.
"28 Days Later (Danny Boyle, Mini DV) is at least as good as" Trainspotting "and, compared with the dreadful" The Beach ", another proof. "Is The Beach" Großkotzkino deLuxe, but all the technology has run into space.
"Enlightenment Guaranteed" (Doris Dorrie) and "Halbe Treppe" (Andreas Dresen) dropped me just one, and synonymous, they are great evidence that the substance prevails over form. The first two examples are that majuz looking for. Must see!





Antwort von majuz:

Super good! Was not at expected that would come so quickly answer one! 'll Just get the movies! If anyone still has other examples, if it were cool! If you have any left as I left my computer's images as much as possible rausholen can then write to me synonymous please! You think so, the Book "DV Filmmaking From Start to Finish" is useful reading for this purpose? Thanks already times in advance!



Antwort von beiti:

Quote:
'll Just get the movies!
If you look after the films on video (DVD), you are normal stop videos. To compare the quality with movies that you have to look at it even in movies as 35-mm-FAZ.

By the way: None of these films would have been rotated to DV, if it already time for their formation would have been HDV.
If you want some cheap film, and cut and later possibly Fazen to 35 mm, HDV 720p, I would recommend in the variant (eg with a rented JVC GY-HD 100). Alternatively, does the 1080i HDV synonymous variant, for example, with a SonyFX-1 or Z-1 (the material can be made progressively during the post-production yet).



Antwort von Ephraim:

Probably one of the most important books, at least for me, is

Movies sense strategy of emotional film design
Christian Mikunda, Vienna 2002
ISBN 3-85114-478-3

This is not an "advisor" of which latter I do not think much anyway, because its set rules, like any, apply only until someone comes, proves that it is synonymous other way.
Mikunda is different and you notice when reading that it has been described already done it that way - only we do not know why.

A quality criterion may be synonymous, that the Book s.der local film school (Babelsberg) will no longer be borrowed, because only one copy exists. All the others are stolen.



Antwort von Ephraim:

[quote = "beiti"]
Quote:
None of these films would have been rotated to DV, if there had been time for their formation HDV


That is to say the least, idiocy (pardon) the crude expression, because the choice of technology increasingly depends on the intention of starting to be realized with it. So it happened that suddenly in a recording in HD, the back hair of the actress received a prevailing position that it should not have.

Another argument from the film practice in Groening's "Into Great Silence" is a 8mm camera used, although it was DV. This was not an emergency, but intent.
Technically speaking, the Hochauflöserei still in its infant shoes, and no one present really knows who is with his technology will prevail in the end. But this is a long topic and not really mine.



Antwort von Ephraim:

Addendum:
Currently, the trend towards increasing use of Super-record 16 on, and now guess why.



Antwort von Der Videot:

turned a collection of film on DV ... I once read, and can not guarantee absolute sincerity ...

Personal Velocity
Pieces of April
Tadpole
Tape
Lost in La Mancha
24 Hour Party People
Chelsea Walls
Bamboozled
Open Water
28 days later
The King is Alive
Chuck & Buck
Pinero
Manic
Startup.com

fit?



Antwort von beiti:

Quote:
That is to say the least, idiocy (pardon) the crude expression, because the choice of technology increasingly depends on the intention of starting to be realized with it. So it happened that suddenly in a recording in HD, the back hair of the actress received a prevailing position that it should not have.
That they intentionally for artistic reasons, wants to have a "bad" quality, can happen, but that's not the norm (apart from the fact that the neck hair is synonymous something could blur without equal with) the whole film stairs down to SD.

Quote:
Technically speaking, the Hochauflöserei still in its infant shoes, and no one present really knows who is with his technology will prevail in the end.

That HDV in terms of HD is not the last word, synonymous, we all know. This does not change the fact that HDV is in 720p at the current state of technology, the first choice when it comes to good-looking low-budget movie goes. Copying to a better format can then be later still.

Nothing against Super-16's, has a nice format and less expensive than 35 mm, but still significantly more expensive than DV or HDV and in terms of depth of field compared to video no real advantage. Whether you are on the finished 35-mm copy of a super-16-original or an HDV-Genuine prefer is more a matter of taste and depends on the motives of synonymous.



Antwort von Ephraim:

"beiti" wrote:
Quote:
That is to say the least, idiocy (pardon) the crude expression, because the choice of technology increasingly depends on the intention of starting to be realized with it. So it happened that suddenly in a recording in HD, the back hair of the actress received a prevailing position that it should not have.
That they intentionally for artistic reasons, wants to have a "bad" quality, can happen, but that's not the norm (apart from the fact that the neck hair is synonymous something could blur without equal with) the whole film stairs down to SD.

Quote:
Technically speaking, the Hochauflöserei still in its infant shoes, and no one present really knows who is with his technology will prevail in the end.

That HDV in terms of HD is not the last word, synonymous, we all know. This does not change the fact that HDV is in 720p at the current state of technology, the first choice when it comes to good-looking low-budget movie goes. Copying to a better format can then be later still.

Nothing against Super-16's, has a nice format and less expensive than 35 mm, but still significantly more expensive than DV or HDV and in terms of depth of field compared to video no real advantage. Whether you are on the finished 35-mm copy of a super-16-original or an HDV-Genuine prefer is more a matter of taste and depends on the motives of synonymous.


Dixi et animam meam salvavi.



Antwort von täätäää:

muxmäusschenstill XL1S
cat in a bag agdvx100



Antwort von Ivy:

"majuz" wrote:
You think so, the Book "DV Filmmaking From Start to Finish" is useful reading for this purpose?


Here
Lg,
Ivy




Antwort von Schleichmichel:

'That's white noise' on MiniDV, I think. Had yesterday 'We feed the World views' in the movies, which was synonymous recorded in SD. In addition, there 'The Feast'. 'Cache' of Michael Hanecker was recorded in HD. In the unspeakable 'Blair Witch Project' (only once so ... once you looking 'man bites dog' on) the other hand, we have an unfair A / B Comparison. The film material (presumably Fomapan) is already extremely grainy ... Show it to you at times, majuz!

For (idle and eternal) debate flared "Electric versus Chemical" you can not say much more without causing more chaos.

Each format has pros and procedures and disadvantages. You can not say a flat rate, what it is now better taste. It depends very much of from the respective Project. One must wonder about the features accurately inform themselves synonymous testing! Only personal experience can give a good assessment of the 'weapon of choice'. Do not believe blindly, what the companies and magazines you suggest? ! Free

Video can also be given class s.einer expensive! And one need not necessarily synonymous for the Arri 416 film (of the beginning of the talk was). But it must be synonymous not really STRICTLY S16. With a small, noisy ST16 in the regular 1.33-ratio can be (depending on requirements) are working pretty cheap. When the camera is to be quiet, you get an Eclair NPR with such wonderful results.

The film is based on the (often underrated) advantages of durability and versatility. It can be used in all digital formats (who she has schonmal counted? Below), which is synonymous for the possibility of HD evaluation covers. A similar video equipment can exceed the cost of film consumption and Film Equipment Hire ... because with an HD camera alone, it's not done synonymous.



Antwort von nerös:

Interposed times a stupid ... if you want to familiarize themselves with the film materie, therefore, would be worth the purchase of a 16mm camera. eg. R16 or similar??
since one of the devices already realtiv get cheap on ebay.

on what to look for?? So when buying?



Antwort von Schleichmichel:

That can be tested in any case before the camera! So I see on Ebay at Purchase some disadvantages. For the resale of the other one might make little loss, because 16mm cameras go away quite well.

The usual tests are as synonymous else worth knowing, perfectly described on the following Page:

www.filmtechnik-online.de

There are so many different contexts that may be important for cameras:

1. (Stay steady should be compulsory, but with a Krasnogorsk-3 is synonymous with bad luck can catch views a 'Vodka Model' ...)
2. (Crystal sync at 24 or 25 frames per second is a question of (replaceable) engine. It is important to quartz accuracy for flickering lights and synchronized audio recordings, and this brings us to point 3)
3. Syncsound or MOS (MOS cameras are too noisy for sound recordings in the immediate vicinity of the camera. The R16 is as far as I know, a MOS camera. Are quietly as the Eclair NPR and ACL. Arri has rausgebracht as an alternative to something serious BL16 with fiddly Objektivblimp (Blimp = sound reducing enclosure). Of Aaton cameras than I have felt very quiet. The SR series is synonymous of Arri very low (SR = silent reflection))
4. Super16 (there are modifiable cameras (the ST16 is modifiable), contrary to other information, NOT, and there are S16 cameras s.Werk. There are synonymous cameras that can both ... SR's newer, Aaton cameras (except the A-Minima ) and even appropriate Bolexkameras)
5. Reflex viewfinder prism beam splitter (eg Bolex ... say, you see the Picture 'continuously' synonymous wärend of turning, but consistently low, since only about 20% abgezwackt of the incoming light for the viewfinder that are missing synonymous for the film ) and more recently again synonymous Parallelsucher (A-Cam under www.ikonoskop.com a 16mm Lomo ... yes I know not)
6. Variable shutter (mirror circulation aperture, some can be set the Hellsektor in others, it is important to determine ... recorded for HMI lights and motion for impressions like opening sequence of 'Saving Private Ryan', that with a low Hellsektor / short exposure time / little Bewegngsunschärfe was)
7. Weight
8. Size
9. Accessories
10. Is there a service
11. Lens Mount

There may still be a few points more. Demonstrate in front of a camera purchase one course way, is a really good idea. Then you hire Art Gallery now through such means. This may indeed be some scene schonmal test shoot for an upcoming project.

Good luck and above all ... fun!



Antwort von Ivy:

"Surreptitious Michel" wrote:
(only times that a look ... mal 'man bites dog' on)


Can I just stress. The film is quite excellent. Above all, of course, the aesthetics. Please see have in original (French), the subtitles are wonderfully understandable. If you've seen the movie, you forget about "Blair Witch Project" and "The Truman Show." Really, really horny.

Lg,
Ivy



Antwort von mint400:

The first German recently appeared on DVD martial arts film "challenge" was synonymous rotated on DV. A perfect example of what you can get through intensive post-production and good camera work out everything from miniDV.



Antwort von Schleichmichel:

Exactly, Ivy ... CINEMAAAAAAAAAA .... CINEMAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!

Sorry, I was just so offtopic



Antwort von blip:

"Ivy" wrote:
"majuz" wrote:
You think so, the Book "DV Filmmaking From Start to Finish" is useful reading for this purpose?


Here I've just found it while rummaging slasCAM duch ...


So, this is good book (the book review I wrote ..), but it all depends on the level of knowledge, whether it does any good. most of the infos in the book, there are (as always) synonymous in the network, to participate with us, to some where else. but one must then know just what one is looking, which in turn can only know if you know. Who has not had much with dv rotated, the book helps so sure.
rausholen around but really the most out dv, one needs to know very special, not everything can be glanced. Of course that sounds like a Cane, but the right one really does learn from its errors and only try of myself ...

where I'm s.schreiben, a few points which I think are very important to them look perfectly dv:

- Illuminate carefully and provide enough light, and look for correct exposure
- Try to keep the depth to a minimum
- Remove the ton micros on external

Moreover, it is always surprising what can a good camera work (framing effect) ...

heidi / slashcam

ps. on



Antwort von jeantier:

WOW, did not know that the DV
Articles such triggers ....

Thanks giants has s.alle me a
Provided insight and
can think about many things.

Meets at the moment even a very current situation
with me. Got two roles raw material (for
I somehow means everything still rolls)

one source was HDTV, the other computer without light
and White Balance

There were two amusing anecdotes, which I would like to quote times

The HDTV DV Type wanted to go one look (her ahntet it already)
And if possible, a type of computerized MovieLens Look

One of them wanted to be Trendy Trash TV, the other hoped to be able to improve something ...

Conclusion:

Ultimately, the story is crucial. That same evening I went to a
Café and because two guys were sitting bepinkelten about their PSP and looked at himself a short film. Shot with a DV, then herlich raw
And from the belly, which eventually rumstand the whole cafe drum and mitschaute. Painted s.frühen morning, an idea, then a good friend, losgedreht, sliced and eaten in the evening

What I want to say is not a bad history of the world will be better by the technique, a WoW fails with lace and Equipement
Top people, and one binds Buena Vista.

Ah yes, senn the idea is good, you can some people to move to be there and make technology available. So the Spirit and use test you through anyway.

lg

the jean ANIMAL

PS. Hey thanks for the heart Yvi quote I always laugh yet
PPS. Thanks for the tip with the 16S keep me up to date
PPPS. Shit, I can not know Latin, what does dat



Antwort von majuz:

Yes s.Arsch lick me! That would get so many answers I had not thought of that!

Many Thanks!
You have really helped me! Bin absofort absolute slashcam fan-forum!
Shall I now work erstmal s.The make all your tips to try to fruition in the act!
Thank you very much
Majuz



Antwort von PowerMac:

"beiti" wrote:
By the way: None of these films would have been rotated to DV, if it already time for their formation would have been HDV.


You have the Durchblick!



Antwort von Ephraim:

"jean tier" wrote:
PPPS. Shit, I can not know Latin, what does dat


Dixi et salvavi animan meam [hesiod, 3, 19]

German = I have spoken and saved my soul.

The quote is falsely attributed to Karl Marx, who sat under his "criticism s.Gothaer Program" (1875).
A newer variant is of Manfred Bofinger, read Marx and Engels say about socialism: "It was just 'ne idea of us."



Antwort von jeantier:

Ephraim

I thank you and am better off just around three pieces of information.

Eager to know everything worth knowing Conditional.

lg

that
jean ANIMAL



Antwort von Fiesepeter:

Although the post relating to nen bissl late in coming, I need to get rid of the following:

Let's not tell you too much that the quality of the film grows in proportion to the quality of the camera. A film does not need a 35mm, HDV, or 1 / 2 "chips, or any other technical bells and whistles to be good (I would not deny but that it may well help to carry the film when one turns superior. This is my opinion, but still the work-around it-such as light / sound / editing / acting major, etc.).

-> The important thing is what is happening in front of the camera!

So do not let you keep your movies on consumer dv cams to rotate. If the necessary commitment behind it synonymous gives good material ...

PS. I myself am a layman. It is therefore allows you to pluck me like a goose.

MfG
the Fiesepeter



Antwort von Flati:

"beiti" wrote:
Quote:
That is to say the least, idiocy (pardon) the crude expression, because the choice of technology increasingly depends on the intention of starting to be realized with it. So it happened that suddenly in a recording in HD, the back hair of the actress received a prevailing position that it should not have.
That they intentionally for artistic reasons, wants to have a "bad" quality, can happen, but that's not the norm (apart from the fact that the neck hair is synonymous something could blur without equal with) the whole film stairs down to SD.

Flati: Sorry, this statement is completely impractical. You can not call Mini DV as "bad" quality. The quality appears behind the camera, not in the camera. (Vorrausgesetzt the camera provides an acceptable quality, which is more than enough to make mini-DV.)

Quote:
Technically speaking, the Hochauflöserei still in its infant shoes, and no one present really knows who is with his technology will prevail in the end.


Nothing against Super-16's, has a nice format and less expensive than 35 mm, but still significantly more expensive than DV or HDV and in terms of depth of field compared to video no real advantage.


That is simply wrong. I'll go like this shows you what the depth of field, but a 16er Camera've probably never had in his hand, the way your statement is true in None.



Antwort von beiti:

Quote:
Nothing against Super-16's, has a nice format and less expensive than 35 mm, but still significantly more expensive than DV or HDV and in terms of depth of field compared to video no real advantage. - That is quite wrong. I'll go like this shows you what the depth of field, but a 16er Camera've probably never had in his hand, the way your statement is true in None.
Super 16 has a screen diagonal of 14.4 mm in Comparison to the 11 mm of 2 / 3 "CCDs in good camcorders. The ratio is about 1:1.3 - that is smaller than between a Small SLR and a common digital SLR . This is already resulting in a difference in the depth of field, but not so powerful.
Comparison to come at least 35 mm (in the format 1:1,85) to 23.8 mm diagonal. This is in Comparison to video more than twice and has a noticeable effect on the depth of field.
Does it still synonymous to higher costs and stronger larger film grain in the idea with one, today's Super 16 for the low-budget filmmakers no longer viable alternative to HD.
(Now you can argue to what extent the availability of aperture lenses for Super 16 play a role if a factor of 1,3 is still relevant and whether the film grain is not a nice effect.)



Antwort von Schleichmichel:

I have a test shot (in 1.33) made with the Kodak 50D 7201 (with a shitty Angenieux-) fragment. It is really a very fine-grained picture, the colors work so synonymous quite crunchy. Comparison When I was but a very old print of EXR 100T 7248 with very different motives, thus the Comparison is somewhat unfair.

For what is a LB-film-maker decides is still hanging off of a great many other factors. It begins as the kind of project goes through the editing system and eventually ends up mostly on storage issues. One can, as so often, do not say a flat rate, rather who pays for what. You should discuss with the / cameraman / woman of his confidence and make the extensive testing.

I was just a deja vu ...



Antwort von beiti:

Probably counts in the end, neither the depth nor the grain nor the storage capacity of the starting material nor any technical advantage or disadvantage ... but only if the camera with film, or rather with video / electronics works. Most tend toward the familiar, just make a 180 degree turn. You can blandish each system. ;) Is synonymous but no preference, if the result is true.



Antwort von Schleichmichel:

That would be a very ignorant cameraman if he wants to work only with his favorite medium! I would not want to work with such a person.



Antwort von Roland Bergadler:

As I recall Robert Rodriguez has his gun Assault "once upon a time in mexico" synonymous with digital cameras rotated. Was I think one of the first movies with high definition cameras were added.

White man with whom he has rotated cameras or what format they had?



Antwort von beiti:

"Roland Mountain Eagle" wrote:
As I recall Robert Rodriguez has his gun Assault "once upon a time in mexico" synonymous with digital cameras rotated. Was I think one of the first movies with high definition cameras were added.
White man with whom he has rotated cameras or what format they had?
Anyone interested in digital shooting should get "Once Upon a Time in Mexico" on DVD, synonymous if you do not like the film itself. There are moderately sensitive information on it to rise, both as an audio commentary as synonymous in the additional features.

The film was with the first generation of SonyHD cameras in the 1080p format rotated (ie on modified Betacam cassette player) worked, in their original format and later geFAZt the final product. It was not even used the entire field of view of 1920 x 1080 pixels, but only about 820 pixels high crop, so that s.end the Cinemascope aspect ratio in anamorphic format came out and could be geFAZt. This sounds risky, but the result is much better than expected.



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Roland Mountain Eagle" wrote:
White man with whom he has rotated cameras or what format they had?

Supposedly they were the same cameras, with whom is George Lucas' Star Wars: Episode II "rotated, and those were of Panavision modified SonyHDW-F900, with 24p and a Resolutionvon 1920 x 1080

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von Roland Bergadler:

Those are machines. Had a small ad for a SonyHDW-F900 found 44 thousand euros for a second hand with 500 duration (2. head)

Pity really, the device looks interesting ;-)

Would such a film actually realize synonymous with an HDV Camera to?

Greeting
Roland



Antwort von beiti:

Today I was in "Casino Royale", and who came before me synonymous digitally rotated: extremely detailscharf in some scenes, a reddish noise that does not like film grain (looks like) and quite a lot of depth throughout.

Anyone happen to know which format was used here?

PS: I just a classic in the making-of 35-mm-camera views. Nevertheless, the look of the finished film simply does not fit. Perhaps digital postproduction with strong sharpening? Might explain the weird Grieseln.



Antwort von Chezus:

HIER
Wähl einen beliebigen Film aus and geh auf technical specs. Da bekommst du dann infos über die Kameras usw.



Antwort von beiti:

Ah, but there is even a term "Digital Intermediate". In other words, the entire movie (not only individual visual effects scenes) was completed and digitally scanned.




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