Infoseite // Why stereo sound when EB shoot?



Frage von manxter:


Hi folks,

I wanted to look at the colleagues (assistant camera) here in the forum to ask
whether it to EB Stereomikrophonie shoot (mostly O and no sounds of nature, landscape and music recordings, etc.) to do useful?
It seems some want the public broadcaster next year to go over the general use of directional stereo microphone (eg Sennheiser 418S) to ask.
In my opinion, but serves mainly to Stereomikrophonie
better spatial mapping (atmo) / tracking in space and that's just in O-tones in 95% of all cases garnicht wanted, or will, on average, often complains!
That is certainly my experience.
What is your will?
Cheers mike

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Antwort von rush:

hi mike,

eb for the normal rotation in the news area, etc. I can really only your opinion-connect - that's had mono as easily and completely synonymous quite sufficient and useful.

the other is of course the ms-stereofonie synonymous easily monokompatibel, because in the middle signal is so easy almost turn a mono mix only by what the site will share with stereo and mono thus failing the cutter / sound / ing is available.

for coming 16:9 / hd productions and everything is so feature-in play area, etc., isses almost certainly a logical development of the synonymous of a step-ton goes next .... that's useful - Well:)

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Antwort von Bamboo:

"manxter" wrote: It seems some want the public broadcaster next year to go over the general use of directional stereo microphone (eg Sennheiser 418S) to ask.
How nice that I've been more than a year, a 418 S in the basket and have for many years the proud owner of a SQN-2S bin. However I make no news for broadcasters, but only my own image and information films.

Of course there is nothing to synonymous in the current range with MS Stereofonie (both fished as synonymous as a camera mic) to work, especially since MS yes as mentioned above is fully monokompatibel. But whether the necessary and useful, it is of course another matter. I fear that even more disturbing noises to reach viewers in that it really takes more space. Let us look an O-Sound of the Chancellor before: Because the audience wants to hear what the Chancellor says. In stereo, he then also clicking of many cameras dazugeliefert which surround the Chancellor. Is this really an improvement?

For features and documentaries, I see that yes, that stereo is a fine thing. But I need synonymous there is not a stereo microphone, but there will also be speaking as the middle signal is placed and then the mixture with separately recorded Atmos added. How do I do it anyway. And at all times synonymous with beautiful stereo Atmos to be included, I have the MKH 418 S. But I always in the studio matriziere, ie M and S separately in order to prevent the noise of Eight later filter them. Beautiful Atmos can incidentally synonymous with two scoops of Neumann KM 83 (or today, KM 183) record, which I have a second basket.

There is rumors that the news in the coming year to 16:9 converter. That would be on the stereo fit rumor.

From me - I'm prepared for a long time.

Matthias

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Antwort von Wiro:

"Matthias" wrote: that the news in the coming year to 16:9 switching
Well, since then times, I am curious, what with all the player happens, probably still in large part as a 4x3 will be delivered. Either they are "inflated" (oh horror!) Or they are artificially drawn in the Width (oh horror!).
;-)
Gruss Wiro

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Antwort von manxter:

Hi Rush,

thank you for your answer. I am quite of your opinion and there are useful examples of applications for stereo sound, but just in the news section it makes little sense.
Often it is because for every minute since holding M / S Mikrophonie at Cut through the necessary MS-XY Matrizierung rather to ...

From camera side it might be synonymous problems, since the usual
L / R XLR inputs & tracks are no longer enough.
For the mandatory Kameraatmo already then you need a model with 4 audio tracks.

16:9 For the digital area, the course, no problems.

cheers mike

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Antwort von Bamboo:

"Wiro" wrote: Well, since then times, I am curious, what with all the player happens, probably still in large part as a 4x3 will be delivered. Either they are "inflated" (oh horror!) Or they are artificially drawn in the Width (oh horror!).
I'm already synonymous curious how this migration (the so-called real), in practice, which will expire. Times I'm going assume that all new recordings, which in Germany or in the ARD correspondent studios are rotated, s.Stichtag done in 16:9. So wherever the ARD, the power over the technology which was used. The capital city of Berlin for the studio spinning EB companies have allegedly already have a flutter man, because their cameras are not selectable. I can not remember whether it ever nichtumschaltbare DVCPro-50-cameras were. Someone knows?

So it will be interesting especially for ARD and archival material for player of third parties, ie foreign institutions and agencies. On the subject of "inflating" I have, however, following recent experience: The BR has a few days ago, archive footage of me (Beta SP, 4:3) in a 16:9-production incised and inflated. I've seen on my television and have to say that my shots are in direct synonymous cut against a DVW-790WSP looked very good, and I'm really critical. There seems to be functioning in clean and good source material way to give something very personable style.

Matthias

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Antwort von beiti:

As the co-existence of 16:9 and 4:3 looks like, you can look at the BBC: All studio programs in 16:9 produced, self-player also in 16:9, foreign player (and they come in virtually every newscast in front) in a compromise format, where one top and bottom a little and then performs only narrower beam has left and right.

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Antwort von Wiro:

"beiti" wrote: ... in a compromise format, where one top and bottom a little and then performs only narrower beam has left and right
This is a reasonable compromise, because it will be inflated, but in moderation.

The format corresponds to the so-called. 14:9 ratio. Here, the extent 4:3 magnified that above and below the title pretty much safe area remains visible. That must aufnahmeseitig in Kadrierung respected, so that later, not too much of people's heads cut off.
Gruss Wiro

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