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Frau sucht Camcorder - nicht blond, trotzdem blöd

Woman seeking camcorder - not blond, still stupid



Frage von Carola:
November 2005

Although I'm not blond, but what the camcorder sector concerns - totally stupid. I have zero clue.

My Analog SonyHi8 has finally given up the ghost. Not by wear and tear but a mishap. I will not fix, because.
I never did with her clear, I got the thing never really connected s.den television, video recorder, I would like my sort synonymous.
In the 10 years they owned has gone, perhaps 50 hours.
So now I want a digital camcorder ...

- For sport shooting (Equestrian)
- Mostly in artificially-lit warehouses
- User friendly
- Little knick-knacks
- Easy to handle, but not necessarily tiny
- No photos may be
- Recordings would hauptsächl. TV playback (old unit. A recent television had with me not synonymous 16:9)

Synonymous, I would like to buy something used or obsolete equipment and would like to light up. 350.00 Euro spend.

Pay attention to key data which I need?

- Pixel
Light "property"
- Suitable for FAST (sports) shots
(Which information is responsible for these?)
- Memory option
- Input / output, connection cable
- Special accessories needed
- What are the preferred Manufacturer

Please simple and clear instructions. No specialization Chinese.

Thank you very much



Antwort von brothermikee:

I still remember what ...

Sound quality is not important



Antwort von Nightfly!:

Hello Carol

Approximately in the price range are the

Panasonic NV-GS35EG
SonyDCR-HC22
(JVC GR-D270E)

A little more expensive but is worth a consideration of the

Panasonic NV-GS75EG

Greeting
Nightfly








Antwort von jasmin61:

Hello,
You can then recommend the Panasonic had, already synonymous with her work and had good experiences, they have used, among other things synonymous for Sprotaufnahmen

Oh no preference for what cam you choose, you'll get one more time, the battery lasts longer, because otherwise empty after an hour ago the Battery!



Antwort von LuFaHa:

Actually you need only the example here (http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/MainSearchProductCategory.html) to search for camcorders.

There is not so much in your price range:

Canon MV-800
SonyDCR-TRV480
SonyDCR-TRV270
Panasonic NV-GS17EG
Panasonic NV-GS21EG
JVC GR-D225
Samsung VP-D352
JVC GR-D73E
Panasonic NV-GS10 EC
(Have yourself right now just in time "idealo" searched and the first parts copied everything in your price range)

Check a list of times by the manufacturer of the basic information about this site.
Because you really are very modest, I do not know on what you should now urgently aware of.

Pixels:
All PAL standard (pixel quantity only says something about something and nothing about sharpness of image size)

Light "property"
Manual white balance under artificial light in your location's price does ne synonymous default.

Schnell (sports):
Short shutter times (1 / 500 - ...)

Storage options:
always miniDV min, 60 or more minutes in LP mode 90

Ein-/Output:
Standard DV-out, analog-out, might DV-in to unlock

Special accessories needed:
not really

Which Manufacturer:

The biggest:
Panasonic
Canon
Sony
JVC

may Samsung / Medion (not recommended)

Googling For unfamiliar terms, either "" or consult the dictionary on DV slashCAM.

Good luck



Antwort von Stefan:

Any MiniDV Camera Of the three major manufacturers, "Pancanony" can take you. If you have ausgekuckt 3-4 types, register again, and I write, whether it is a catch.

Number of pixels not care. Video can always. Many pixels are good for image stabilization and photos.

Light "property" means in the range of Combination of intensity of the lens and the CCD chip.

The intensity of the lens you'll find manchml in the technical documentation as f = 2.8 or so. Smaller numbers are better.

The intensity of the chip depending on the chip is smaller declines. The size of the chip you'll find as fractions of inches 1 / 6 "or so.

Sometimes being advertised with the minimum illumination ala "2 Lux ... is nonsense. With such a highlighting what we see on the screen but that is colored snow in the tunnel. In the indoor arena, it will be brighter.

Fast sport can make all the shots. The question is whether what you want. Shots in sports mode (short "exposure times seem" choppy (especially under artificial lighting) than normal shots and need lots of light.

S.einen output jacks for connecting TV all have. Input connectors are more expensive models than for 350 ¬. What you need reins chicken in the Camera?

Is a useful accessories Tripod, sturdy enough to sit on a suitcase, possibly a wide angle adapter and Batteries enough, if no electricity on site. IR remote control is not synonymous bad: In Reiterstübchen cake and eat s.and to operate the camera ;-)

Good luck
The fat Stefan



Antwort von brothermikee:

First of many thanks.

I followed the tip of LuFaHa and my views have the basic info. In a number of questions arose in my mind ..

Total MegaPixels 800,000 seems to be minimum.
Is that enough for me?

What is with opt. Zoom?
Go into my price range of 10 to 25-fold.
How important is it for me.

Storage capability: MiniDV - OK

Image Stabilization, almost all. Is surely of benefit. Also clear.

Why do you need a DV-in?
Why do you need a DV-out?
(I've warned you ... do not dumb-blonde nonetheless)

Memory card on ..
Does man / woman something?

Again to the light intensity ..
On my old camera, I often could not tell which color each horse had. All were dark. It has always annoyed me.
This does not happen again to me. The lighting conditions are often extremely poor in the halls. "Nevertheless, I wish that a dark horse, stands out of a dark wall." The light intensity at my old camera was expressed in lux. How is it today?



Antwort von Blackeagle123:

Hello,

So I would recommend you digitally synonymous, of course, I have a 3-chip Panasonic, I'm so incredibly zufireden. The optical image stabilization is good, although at Panasonic always gegentel is asserted.

Thus, DV-out has in fact, every digital camcorder. That is, you can of your camcorder, digital video generally nearly (uncompressed avi), dubbing it quickly to your PC. This goes beyond a Firewire port, in some cameras synonymous USB 2.0, Firewire is faster. Let me tell you then synonymous Markus' best-seller:
FireWire FAQ">Photographs bring to the PC and more

DV-in is meant to re-dub your videos from your PC to your camera to. To create a master tape and to safely store your data, for example, in addition to the DVD!

Love Greetings
Constantin



Antwort von Blackeagle123:

Hello again ...

... a test that I can recommend to you also:
Take a red light, they stop in front of the lens, and see if the edges are heavily pixelated. 1-Chipper have so many problems and the picture is extremely pixelated s.den edges.

Love Greetings
Constantin



Antwort von Jan:

Hello Carol,

which will probably ne SonyHC 17 (the Most popular), when I listen to your desires so.
Best Easy clean program and Losfilmen.
Scene Modes (incl Sport) with shutter speeds 1/50-1/4000 and the 1 / 6 "CCD and almost all have competitors.

The Scharfstellzeit of the Sony's HC 17,19,22,32 etc is not fight for sport shots of Canon, JVC or Panasonic simply go into a store and zoom in and go quickly turn the camera on a much closer object to the differences of seeing company to company. Then take 245.270 or Canon MV JVC models or Pana 17th GS

I do not know where you buy in the shop will get you "only" HC 17 for 349 ¬. synonymous with the Internet, the better equipped HC 19 (including docking station and remote control) or HC 22 (HC 19 + the same as DV In)

Again, the pixels in our country, yet the TV standard is PAL with about 414.170
Pixels. It is totally irrational when not in the photo function a with 2 or 3 million increase, which is the same as buying a Porsche and drive more than 100% only in the city just (Prestige) because the over 270 km are / h. There never can.

The Sony's have one 20x optical, zoom, and is sufficient (This should suffice for an indoor riding arena, probably before then with tripod), the JVC's is the 25x or 30x the Pana GS 35 free no hand holding so synonymous . The good stabilizer of Sony's models is palpable.

The Wide Anglevon 41 ° during the said Sony's is pretty good, only of the topped eg Panasonic's GS 17 with 45 °, JVC synonymous 41 °. Canon's MV models weaken with 32 °, since the risk is not without a converter to have some interesting passages in the Picture. (Therefore delivers Canon MV compete in the 850 synonymous with a converter for free, at Somewhat, at MV 830 I am now from Gedächnis not sure if he is in the interest but I can still look up times.

That has not synonymous with stupidity to do that every day I have a lot of men are synonymous exactly the same questions.

LG
January



Antwort von WeiZen:

"Anonymous" wrote:
Again to the light intensity ..
On my old camera, I often could not tell which color each horse had. All were dark. It has always annoyed me.
This does not happen again to me. The lighting conditions are often extremely poor in the halls. "Nevertheless, I wish that a dark horse, stands out of a dark wall." The light intensity at my old camera was expressed in lux. How is it today?


Moin,
nen 1000er perhaps more, because the top?
Here uuups forget, no I'm not the seller.



Antwort von prem:

I can only guess what NOT: No. Of Canon! Since I have purchased a 800th - ¬ camcorder, after 3 weeks he was) broken (head in the bucket. Then I realized that they have caught a "Monday device" I asked Canon, given the brevity of the Verschleisszeit to rescission, not to repair. Canon refused to repaired. This time the camera was full 2 weeks. But this time, Canon synonymous refused to tread. This game has the original as long as (4 pulled through!) Until the warranty had expired. Since I have ruined several professional applications in this way, which had thousands of dollars damage resulted, I can view this brazen "customer service" just a guess: FINGER AWAY FROM CANON!

Greeting of Tom








Antwort von Blackeagle123:

Hi, also with Canon, I myself have not had any bad experiences. A friend of me has a favorable Canon 1-Chipper. I think the quality still quite okay, especially for the price, it has good sound and anamorphic 16:9!
The problem is not of you described sounds familiar, vielleciht you really have a "Monday device" caught.
Well ...

Love Greetings
Constantin



Antwort von crumpet-co:

"Anonymous" wrote:
Since I have purchased a 800th - ¬ camcorder .... Since I have ruined several professional applications in this way


¬ 800 camcorder for professional applications, well. You get what you pay for.



Antwort von Jan:

Hi Tom,

that's unbelievable, like with your Canon is running.
The people in the service but would have been after the 2nd Have to make time more pressure.

Unfortunately, Canon has only 1 years warranty and 1 years warranty, so a clear downside.

But I was in the whole satisfied with my Canon, and synonymous know some Canon owners. Ok, the excessive drive noise on some models are not ok.

But nothing brings synonymous, here in the forum to post your constant complaint letter.

Better stay on a juicy letter to Canon Germany send a customer of Mir has then really get his camera repaired properly, even though his warranty had expired.

LG
January



Antwort von Nightfly!:

Hello Carol!
Apart of the other tips I would recommend you just take time, the three cameras in hand (eg, Saturn, Media Markt and ,...) to test how these are in your hands, before to reach the buttons, weight and price of current location.

"Nightfly" wrote:

...

Panasonic NV-GS35EG
SonyDCR-HC22
...
Panasonic NV-GS75EG
...


Greeting
Nightfly



Antwort von Markus:

"Constantine" Blackeagle123 "" wrote:
Take a red light, they stop in front of the lens, and see if the edges are heavily pixelated. 1-Chipper have so many problems and the picture is extremely pixelated s.den edges.

In order itself has a higher priced DVCAM Camera with 3CCDs problems. ;-)

Why?
-> MVX3i simply bad for red?



Antwort von Blackeagle123:

eh ... that you're right, Mark. But I think at the 1 Chipper we noticed differences yet, or not? Would be good to even know whether I am recommending sowas again * g *

Love Greetings
Constantin



Antwort von Markus:

Hi Constantin,

that's true. A decent 1-Chipper delivers a visibly better picture quality than a cheap starter instrument. A decent 3-Chipper in turn, is generally better in terms Color performanceund Schwachlichtreserve than a 1-Chipper. ;-)

See synonymous:




Antwort von rtzbild:

"Wheat" wrote:

Moin,
nen 1000er perhaps more, because the top?
Here there are two VX2000 on eBay
uuups forget, no I'm not the seller.


Upppps, run the lovely ääääh not into temptation, in the wrong!

The 1599, - it is an NTSC!
> Mini DV Format NTSC

Gruß Olli



Antwort von rtzbild:

"Jan" wrote:
Hi Tom,

that's unbelievable, like with your Canon is running.
The people in the service but would have been after the 2nd Have to make time more pressure.

Unfortunately, Canon has only 1 years warranty and 1 years warranty, so a clear downside.

[...]

But nothing brings synonymous, here in the forum to post your constant complaint letter.

Better stay on a juicy letter to Canon Germany send a customer of Mir has then really get his camera repaired properly, even though his warranty had expired.



Hello Jan,
how does Canon Professional Services (Stillimage) einklich to Camcordianern?

IMHO times Mr. Denter of CPS (Willich address).

HTH

Gruß Olli

Hint: COS = point of contact for press people, similar to Nikon VIP








Antwort von rtzbild:

"Anonymous" wrote:

I can only guess what NOT: No. Of Canon! Since I have purchased a 800th - ¬ camcorder, after 3 weeks he was) broken (head in the bucket. Then I realized that they have caught a "Monday device" I asked Canon, given the brevity of the Verschleisszeit to rescission, not to repair. Canon refused to repaired. This time the camera was full 2 weeks. But this time, Canon synonymous refused to tread. This game has the original as long as (4 pulled through!) Until the warranty had expired. Since I have ruined several professional applications in this way, which had thousands of dollars damage resulted, I can view this brazen "customer service" just a guess: FINGER AWAY FROM CANON!

Greeting of Tom


Hello Tom, something incredible, because after you have 2.Reparaturversuch conversion right.
And although the DEALER!

? You've been waiting _ein_ year on your cam, and then get out of the guarantee was?

Sounds more later on, as if your dealer has himself rungefrickelt turn, may have the thingy DE _not_ been guaranteed and he has tried to hide the clock "?

Send'll see the serial number for Willich, sometimes, whether that is registered.

Also interesting: the abiding object of purchase extends in repairs, the "Guarantee" period for the duration of the repair visit, so perhaps sum up the weeks and months and times if necessary again to massive! s.den dealer's turn.

HTH

Gruß Olli



Antwort von mdb:

"Jan" wrote:
Again, the pixels in our country, yet the TV standard is PAL with about 414.170
Pixels.


Then for each pixel, the color TV needs some 3-(red-green-blue).
The various marketing experts would certainly take the opportunity to attach their camera to 1.2 million pixels. What, then, with 800,000 pixels is meant, who knows? 260,000 in each of each color?



Antwort von Blackeagle123:

Hello, wiso do you need for color television 3 times as many pixels? Each pixel is made up but red / green / blue RGB. It's just a pixel ... or?
800,000 pixels and Chipper are usually only there to take photos in order of greatness. There are synonymous camcorder, which have over 1 million pixels (1MP), which then paid for itself just for the photos. If a camcorder not Stillimage, but has a chip that such high Resolutionunterstützt, there is usually a successor device or an expansion of an SD (mostly) card drive! So that you can then take photos ...

Otherwise I do not synonymous know what to get it ...

Love Greetings
Constantin



Antwort von Jan:

Hi MDB,

this was already a hot topic at 3 CCD vs 1 CCD (no user was able to convince the other that corresponds to the truth ....)

At 3 CCD is yes, each sensor for a base color, and when 1CCD is only a "Color" and then included with the set before the CCD Farbfiltermosaik the remaining color components are reconstructed with software from the surrounding pixels, the technical term is "color interpolation" (Schon off!)

But this does nothing s.der Pixelrgöße in my opinion.
The bright and bold colors are available with 3 CCD is undisputed.
The Resolutionmüsste be but the same thing.

3ccd-vs-1CCD (There are, of course 414,720 pixels - the many numbers ....... naja)

Good, I'm usually in the sale or in the office. Ab and I go to the service people and learn a little. The company Canon is just as Sonyand Panasonic rarely encountered. If, however, comes a Canon in the service, but then there's quite often powerful anger.

Actually, there are always the same no preference whether the store or directly from the customer
cheap Billigfirmen or with Samsung I had plenty of trouble.

Although the digicam, it's much more noticeable service claim as video cameras (synonymous in the sales ratio)

LG
January



Antwort von Carola:

So ...

on the advice of you s.Samstag I ran off and took a look at some of your camcorder.

In the narrower Comparison I had the SonyHC 17 and the Pana GS22.

The other (JVC, Samsung) told me of the handling and the "velocity focusing" not so.

Currently tend more to the HC17.

However, I will buy on the Internet, because the camcorder, there are much cheaper (saving at HC 17 65.00 Euro). I've been on this path once bought a Digi-camera, and made not a bad experience. So I am in good spirits.

Again, many thanks for your support.

However, I will again rely on you ...
You are not out yet ...

With the PURCHASE of a camcorder it's not done yet.

We then go with a video-editing program.

Quite simply, it should be. I want rausschneiden only completely unsuccessful scenes.

Until then ...

Carola



Antwort von jens:

Look after yourself Magix Video Deluxe (2005/2006) or Premiere Elements (2.0) around. Both should be good specifications for the beginner designer suitable. Rather negative reviews we read at times of the Pinnacle Studio software.
Jens

Ps:
Before you ever should face the question: "How do I get my video from the camcorder to the calculator? Via USB??"
No!
Remember then ;-) to FireWire FAQ">this thread



Antwort von mdb:

"Blackeagle123" wrote:
Hello, wiso do you need for color television 3 times as many pixels? Each pixel is made up but red / green / blue RGB. It's just a pixel ... or?


If you look at you your screen time with a magnifying glass, you'll see that there are three points per pixel, one red, one green and one blue. Ideally, you have the synonymous in the camera. You could now usefully define a pixel as a pixel, ie a triplet rgb, then that is correct. But as I said, marketing experts are rather different, different colored dots in order to have larger numbers (I) could imagine.



Antwort von Wumpie:

"mdb" wrote:

If you look at you your screen time with a magnifying glass, you'll see that there are three points per pixel, one red, one green and one blue. Ideally, you have the synonymous in the camera. You could now usefully define a pixel as a pixel, ie a triplet rgb, then that is correct. But as I said, marketing experts are rather different, different colored dots in order to have larger numbers (I) could imagine.


The example of a slight limp. The old image points, which you addressed, can only be found on analog televisions. Pixels are digital points, which are the 3 colors on a quasi-blot / on a surface. If you have an LCD monitor at home, then zoom times as close, as you did it on your TV example. I think then you will be able to see the Unterschried quite well.

Which brings me to the topic SonyHC17 vs. Canon MV800 would still be of interest: A friend I had the HC17 in his hand and found that they already showed a fairly strong noise. The MV 800 is supposed to have a noise reduction. Can anyone possibly tell the difference?



Antwort von mdb:

"Wumpie" wrote:
Pixels are digital points, which are the 3 colors on a quasi-blot / on a surface. If you have an LCD monitor at home, then zoom times as close, as you did it on your TV example.


When I look at http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picture:LCD.jpg example, when I saw a very beautiful red, green and blue boxes next to each other. No real difference to a picture tube with stripes mask.








Antwort von Jan:

Hello you,

the Canon "your" always features large extols is well known. Extra for their digicam's DIG! C chip will make the fast for Signal Processing. Unfortunately, several models of Sony, Kodak, Fuji and Casio are more than twice as fast as the Powershot or Ixus series (at least the old 30,40,50), feel the 55 and 750 are fast.

The MV series you can buy yourself synonymous, but the lousy Wide Anglevon 32 ° (790,800,830,850), SonyHC 17 that 41 ° is immediately seen today, because in a room just missing fourth time.
Since synonymous to the 16 / 9 of the MV circuit 800 (the then in the vicinity of the Sonykommt synonymous) no longer help.

I find that Low Light Picture of HC 17 (Without Night Shot pros) are still better than the comparable models of Panasonic, JVC, Canon and Samsung. Samsung has with the distance verrauschseste Picture and synonymous to a noise suppression have built.

LG
January




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