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XH-A1: 2 Audiokanäle 1xinternes Mikro 1xexternes Mischpultsignal möglich?

XH-A1: 2 audio channels 1xInternal Micro Mixer 1xexternes signal possible?



Frage von fratres:
Januar 2010

Hello,
was a live recording with the XH-A1's internal Micro actually use on an audio channel and s.anderen connect the Tape Out of the live mixing console. I once told someone that he does so, but when I look in the instructions, it looks as if the internal micro car off if the XLR inputs are activated. Is that correct?

And if that's true, there would then be able to have on channel 1 is connected with external Micro atmosphere (but only take AKG C1000, ie kidney) and on Channel 2, the sum signal of the mixing console? Or are the problems with the line-or switch problems after cutting, for example, if one wants to combine the two?

Sorry for the Newbie questions, am a layman.



Antwort von Commanderjanke:

Hi Fratres,

The XHA1 has not simultaneously introduce the possibility 2 sound sources. Your idea above I do not understand because you had so then again 2 beeps.

Maybe there is the possibility of the signal prior to mixing and recording live talk Atmo desk so important in the end, only one channel of the Canon has stopped but the two signals.

Gruß Micha



Antwort von mowslide | agency:

"Commanderjanke" wrote:

The XHA1 has not simultaneously introduce the possibility 2 sound sources.


That is not correct.
The XH-A1 has 2 XLR connections so you can start synonymous 2 (different) sound sources.

"fratres" wrote:

when I look in the instructions, it looks as if the internal micro car turned off when the XLR inputs are activated. Is that correct?


That is correct.
The stereo-Micro will be disabled when you switch to XLR or a device connects s.der MIC jack.

"fratres" wrote:
... There would then be able to have on channel 1 is connected with external Micro atmosphere (but only take AKG C1000, ie kidney) and on Channel 2, the sum signal of the mixing console? Or are the problems with the line-or switch problems after cutting, for example, if one wants to combine the two?


When Athmo Micro You ought to think what you - as it commonly takes a club.
This you can easily fix them in the micro-holder of the XH-A1.
(For a condenser micro s.das activate the phantom power to think)

The sum of the mixing console via cable / wireless stabilize simple - when to operate according to the LINE switch - done;)








Antwort von Johannes:

"Commanderjanke" wrote:
Hi Fratres,

The XHA1 has not simultaneously introduce the possibility 2 sound sources. Your idea above I do not understand because you had so then again 2 beeps.

Maybe there is the possibility of the signal prior to mixing and recording live talk Atmo desk so important in the end, only one channel of the Canon has stopped but the two signals.

Gruß Micha


Why the xh s.diese possibility has not? How exactly do I know the s.nicht xh, but instead xl1 and other cameras in the classroom. And they like the Xh s.2x XLR inputs for left and right. And then he can but the external mic. Links and put on the mixer on the right and make it in the mail. then each one stereo channel. How do I do that synonymous usually / always.



Antwort von Meggs:

@ fratres

When A1S can be readily in the Audio Menu
Channel 1 on internal Micro
Channel 2 on XLR - In Line
to place and make it exactly what you wanted originally.

) For the A1 (without the S, I'm not sure if it works.



Antwort von Meggs:

"Commanderjanke" wrote:

The XHA1 has not simultaneously introduce the possibility 2 sound sources.


You have to distinguish between sound sources and channels, or between stereo and mono.
The XH-A1 is (like almost all camcorders) 1 stereo recording signal = 2 mono signals.



Antwort von fratres:

Incredibly, That was quick, many thanks for all the answers.

@ Meggs: yes, exactly the function I needed, but it seems that the A1 does not work. How annoying!

'm Going to forego most of the console sum, because there I would have to return via Y-cable of adapting stereo output to mono, if I want to tap not only a channel. I did not just there. And with only one external micro goes to me, the stereo effect flutes, so it runs well erstmal addition to the internal Micro as the sole source. Too bad.

Would be an alternative for the future, such as a Zoom H-2 lie down and then later to nachzuvertonen (eg, synchro-fashioned) by flap? Or is it too expensive and with the synchro problems?



Antwort von mowslide | agency:

"fratres" wrote:
... If in the future, an alternative, such as a Zoom H-2 lie down and then later to nachzuvertonen (eg, synchro-fashioned) by flap? Or is it too expensive and with the synchro problems?


Basically, all devices that can not be synchronized with a Global timecode, sometime unsynchronized - arising from the non-100% compliance of the electronic components.

I once read) (zoom Test reports that the devices are unsynchronized after a short time - Field Recorder Marantz of 2h for example, I've already checked - they were still synchronously.

When you synch a flap or even clapping helps because you can align the tracks then simply s.Peak - but there is now synonymous Programs that can use the car more or less well.



Antwort von Meggs:

"fratres" wrote:

Would be an alternative for the future, such as a Zoom H-2 lie down and then later to nachzuvertonen (eg, synchro-fashioned) by flap? Or is it too expensive and with the synchro problems?


Yes 2 x stereo does not work. The H2 is certainly ne alternative. I do it always with notbook and FireWire interface.
Intricately is relative. You have to expect that the external sound is drifting apart in time with the video. Synchrinisieren So: first with a flap or Flash s.Anfang, then adjust the length of the Audioaufname s.end s.The length of the video. If you have a continuous recording, keeps the cost within limits.



Antwort von Meggs:

"mowslide | agency" wrote:

Basically, all devices that can not be synchronized with a Global timecode, sometime unsynchronized - arising from the non-100% compliance of the electronic components.


What I find strange here:

For an hour with me until now, were still all the camcorder synchronously. All external recording devices I've used, unsynchronized WAREM forever. On my FireWire interface makes about 15 frames per hour.



Antwort von mowslide | agency:

I had a JVC GY-HC100, a Canon XH-A1 and a SONY HDR-HC1E for the photographs and 2 Marantz digital recorder in use.

Only the JVC was very noticeable unsynchronized after 1h. The Recorder and synonymous Canon and Sony were unsynchronized (not noticeable).

Strictly speaking, may even at different temperatures, the device a Device Clock running at a different speed than the other - I would rather "random" call when 2 devices running different Manufacturer and price ranges without GenLock synchronously.

Was a massive difference in a MiniDisc recording - after 5min. The sound was noticeably ahead.



Antwort von fratres:

Hmm, that sounds not so great. And how does it work with an attached notebook via Firewire? If then the NB on another Micro synchronously the sound, or is that just like the H2, regardless of the video signal?
Had indeed just hoping that since I Firestore with our CS-V which can be, but found, unfortunately, that probably has no separate audio inputs.

@ mowslide: The Line / Mic switch still shuts but both channels. Is it a problem if I have a a Micro and the other the sum of mixer?

Even a short-Beginners question is: how in fact the XLR inputs, when I arrive there with stereo signal, for example L / R from the mixer via a Y-adapter to XLR Male? Can the work that will both arrive in a channel, or an identical one must lie on both XLR balanced signal conductors?








Antwort von Meggs:

"fratres" wrote:
Hmm, that sounds not so great. And how does it work with an attached notebook via Firewire? If then the NB on another Micro synchronously the sound, or is that just like the H2, regardless of the video signal?


In that case I'll take on all audio channels with the notebook. The synchronization of Picture and Sound is easier to synchronize than 2 audio sources to be unsynchronized. Here goes lip-sync. The whole sounds expensive and complicated than it is.

To the mixer and Y-cable. I would ask first time exactly whether the mixer stereo sound really is.



Antwort von mowslide | agency:

"fratres" wrote:

@ mowslide: The Line / Mic switch still shuts but both channels. Is it a problem if I have a a Micro and the other the sum of mixer?


Camera s.der've just looked - I was with the Mic.Att. - Switch confused - there are for each channel.

"fratres" wrote:

how this is actually on the XLR inputs, when I arrive there with stereo signal, for example L / R from the mixer via a Y adapter to XLR Male? Can the work that will both arrive in a channel, or an identical one must lie on both XLR balanced signal conductors?


Standardized, symmetrical stereo you just get out with 2 x XLR.
Although you can with an XLR cable to transfer 2 signals - but not symmetrical.
A split signal via Y-cable on 2 XLRs works, of course - bring together a balanced XLR is not possible.

I know of no synonymous mixer, via the XLR stereo outputs signal ...

Addendum for more information:
The LINE switch switches the XLR inputs of the XH-A1
of 600 ohms to 10 kilohms to.



Antwort von fratres:

@ Meggs: Oh, did you then still an audio interface with multiple inputs s.Notebook? Or do you mean with all channels of the 2 channels of standard stereo input? If I imagine crawling into the event before joining, because different sources.

@ mowslide: was probably synonymous terms of cumbersome to me. Symmetrical would be even not necessary for the short route. What I really meant: how can I get out there, that I connect on channel 1, a Micro, s.Kanal 2, the sum of the stereo mixer. So, how do I have from the two mono jack outputs of the mixer adapted to combine at No. 2 on the XLR input of the camera both as mono channels of the mixer?

My goodness, the thread has developed of a camera-specific problem in a basic cable thread - I'm sorry.



Antwort von mowslide | agency:

"fratres" wrote:
how do I adapt from the two mono jack outputs of the mixer to bring together at the XLR input of the Camera No.2 both channels of the mixer as a mono signal?


There is no cable - this must be counted together ";)
That would I solve with a small Behringer desk.

Perhaps the sound engineer, but an auxiliary path synonymous freely created and you have a MONO-sum ...;)



Antwort von Commanderjanke:

@ Mowslide: achso is all well understood at that time had that one can not simultaneously record 2nd Got it but honestly synonymous not needed.

Hate the most with the internal micro spin.

Although Work with the Camera for a long time but you notice that you never stop learning.

@ Fratres: Sorry for the Fehlinfo :-)



Antwort von fratres:

@ mowslide: Dumb only that I am the "engineer" - well, yes you realize s.meinen questions how far I am away of that name.
But your idea with the auxiliary path is of course good and really had not thought about that the AUX send controls the stereo channels so create a mono signal. Then everything's just fine now (to) on the annoying limitation of the composability of the internal microphones, thank you!



Antwort von mowslide | agency:

"fratres" wrote:
Then everything's just fine now (to) on the annoying limitation of the composability of the internal microphones, thank you!


Please be happy.
The possibility of a combination I would ever be able to use synonymous ... I'm me but then opted for a Rode NTG-2, which gives me good service until now;)




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