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more and more DVD-RAM?



Frage von John Smith:
Juli 2019

Moin,

A few days ago I've ever posted, as well the dissemination
of DVD-RAM will develop ...

For those who's (like me) interested in: according to one putative
real "specialist" of an e-market should not only JVC,
Cheap but really synonymous providers such as LG and LiteOn in the near
Time DVD-RAM compatible DVD player on the market ...

For me, definitely a reason to invest with DVD player nor mal
wait ...

Greeting
JS




Antwort von Dieter Schlumbohm:

John Smith wrote:

> a few days ago I've ever posted, as well the dissemination
> of DVD-RAM will develop ...

Stark, it will (next) may develop.
I believe that in a few years ago hardly any DVD player
Sell, who does not have a DVD-RAM, because with the DVD recorders
has DVD-RAM clearly enforced worldwide. In Japan and U.S.
their market share at 70-80%, and the trend is rising, and with the huge
Benefits no wonder.
Only we in Germany and Europe lag (again) vastly
behind.

> ... should not only JVC,
> but actually synonymous Cheap providers like LG and LiteOn in the near
> Time DVD-RAM compatible DVD player on the market ...

Of course, all newer Panasonic. Possibly. Samsung?
Where the journey is shown by the fact that Thomson (although still in
RW camp) this year, publishes DVD player the DVD-RAM
can play. This is officially, that they would soon be synonymous
DVD recorder with DVD-RAM build yet ...

> For me, definitely a reason to invest with DVD player nor mal
> wait ...

Then you can look at a DVD recorder to buy ...
Here is the list of DVD-RAM compatible recorder Manufacturer

Panasonic
JVC
Toshiba
Hitachi
Samsung

Coming soon (probably, but not guaranteed):
LG (PC Brenner, shortly synonymous Recorder)
Denon
Teac
NEC
Thomson?

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MfG, Dieter Schlumbohm




Antwort von Bastian Lutz:

404ERR








Antwort von Ronald Konschak:

Dieter Schlumbohm wrote:

> Only we in Germany and Europe lag (again) vastly
> Behind.

Where Germany and Europe are lagging in terms of TV technology behind?

Ronald.




Antwort von Ralf Fontana:

John Smith wrote:

> For those who's (like me) interested in: according to one putative
> true "specialist" of an e-market should not only JVC,
> but actually synonymous Cheap providers like LG and LiteOn in the near
> Time DVD-RAM compatible DVD player on the market ...

Really great. Missing just one more present needs.

The DVD recorder mE increasingly put on DVD-R [W]. A license
less ..

> For me, definitely a reason to invest with DVD player nor mal
> wait ...

Wait, you can always and forever. That saves money.

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Antwort von Carla Schneider:

John Smith wrote:
>
> Moin,
>
> A few days ago I've ever posted, as well the dissemination
> Of DVD-RAM will develop ...
>
> For those who's (like me) interested in: according to one putative
> True "specialist" of an e-market should not only JVC,
> But actually synonymous Cheap providers like LG and LiteOn in the near
> Time DVD-RAM compatible DVD player on the market ...

Is it because a DVD-RAM as cheap as DVD RW to get
or there is a chance that the times will be?

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Antwort von Lutz Bojasch:

Carla Schneider wrote:

> John Smith wrote:
>>
>> Moin,
>>
>> A few days ago I've ever posted, as well the dissemination
>> Of DVD-RAM will develop ...
>>
>> For those who's (like me) interested in: according to one putative
>> True "specialist" of an e-market should not only JVC,
>> But actually synonymous Cheap providers like LG and LiteOn in the near
>> Time DVD-RAM compatible DVD player on the market ...
>
> Is it because a DVD-RAM as cheap as DVD RW to get
> Or there is a chance that the times will be?

Hello
currently seen in supermarkets where stands "CD-R, CD-RW, DVD / --
RW or DVD-R "all the same cost: 10 pieces in jewelcase
9.99Euronen. Duie question is: How long is it is now known
DVD format is still enter? I think 5 years?
Gruß Lutz





Antwort von Andre Beck:

Ronald Konschak writes:
> Dieter Schlumbohm wrote:
>
>> Only we in Germany and Europe lag (again) vastly
>> Behind.
>
> Where Germany and Europe are lagging in terms of TV technology behind?
^
There's a "not" to make it a meaningful question is :-(

--
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or "how to turn a complete illusion into a neverending money source"

-> Andre "ABPSoft" Beck ABP-RIPE Dresden, Germany, Spacetime <--




Antwort von Michael Spohn:

Andre Beck wrote:

>>> Only we in Germany and Europe lag (again) vastly
>>> Behind.
>>
>> Where Germany and Europe are lagging in terms of TV technology behind?
> ^
> There's a "not" to make it a meaningful question is :-(

Ronald has his question seems to be quite serious, and therefore * is * the
Question makes sense!

* * If you're convinced that D and actually lag behind the EU, then
clarify, please contact us at times, instead of just such a bland
"Answer" deliver.

I have as yet no opinion because I am home anyway
technologically lagging behind and because I have not yet informed.

This would, however, I erstma input. So her with the info ;-)

Bye
Michael





Antwort von Kai Rohrbacher:

Hi!

Bastian Lutz (b.lutz @ gmx.de) wrote about "Re: increasing number of DVD-RAM?"
> Are there DVD recorders, with which one without cumbersome
> Transformations can record?
Take a DVD recorder with internal hard drive on which you record.
Then use the built behind the editing, either
Frame-accurate playlists to create the advertising blocks in the
Play or skip the cutter function, the same really
physico rauszuschneiden. All you can if necessary even by synonymous
Hispeed mode vond his plate onto a DVD / CD-DVDRAM write.
Is everything already, at least I can do that DMRE100 Panasonic

> IMHO we are not lagging behind, but are waiting for in many
> Clever ways of solution (at least for me).
On more functionality, you'll probably wait in vain because
DRM specifications tend to be more restrictive: it is IMHO less a
Question of what is technically possible rather than a question of what the rapacious and
meanwhile mentally Durchgeknallte film industry in ways you
grant * wants *

Kai




Antwort von Andre Beck:

"Michael Spohn" writes:
> Andre Beck wrote:
>
>>>> Only we in Germany and Europe lag (again) vastly
>>>> Behind.
>>>
>>> Where Germany and Europe are lagging in terms of TV technology behind?
>> ^
>> There's a "not" to make it a meaningful question is :-(
>
> Ronald's question seems to be quite serious, and therefore * is * the
> Your question makes sense!

I can not imagine that the question was meant seriously.
Not once in the thread before a topic was raised, where
the eximplifiziert will. A walk on the IFA helps incidentally because
get there in the TV area, almost no longer see Europeans, in any case
when it comes to innovation. There are backyard firms in Mainland
China, which are innovative.

> * If * you're convinced that D and actually lag behind the EU, then
> Clarify us please have a look at, instead of just such a bland
> "Answer" deliver.

The largest part of the technology is now sold here comes from Asia,
with Japan meanwhile tigers of the first arg of distressed and
Mainland China will attack. The last bastion of TV development
Philips in Europe seems to be, but most of those products
can be found in Asian and American chassis. During the
Rest of Asia, at least multi-standard, is traditionally Japan NTSC.
As a result we get here with practically all the new techniques
the waste of NTSC developments, but from the misery yet
not even beat out its own advantages. Why did Beamer and
TFTs 60Hz? Why were the markets initially with plasma full, the
only 480 lines can represent? Why was D in the mid-80s,
So almost exactly at the time when SDTV was technically saturated,
with Japan and the United States talked about HDTV, but then in the towel
thrown? Japan has had HDTV, Korea, the U.S. has
it increasingly. In Europe alone, the celebration of a channel,
who dares finally, the courage to prove to American - 20 years after
the first goal leading discussions on HDTV.

Where Europe and the U.S. just yet sometimes play a role is
basic research. But I eat a broom if
first test pattern for OLED TVs * not * synonymous come back from Japan
be perfect and NTSC and HDTV can display, while for
CCIR PAL (or SECAM) just a quick hack drangestrickt is
it somehow visible. The here developed and
temporarily sponsored Schneider of laser projection (mechanical
2D scan) was surely synonymous recently from insolvent to Asia
sold off, right?

IMO it would be only logical, as soon as possible to a world standard
for HDTV to swirl with the SDTV and includes primarily on
Japanese and Usan existing systems based instead now
to cramp trying to HDTV with 50Hz to establish. We would then
at least not a special case of more market-and would the same hardware
can use that are synonymous in Japan, Korea and the U.S. sold, of
compatibility of the media not to mention. Instead, Europe
but dickschädelig to CCIR hold his own complete
incompatible HDTV attempt to establish and despite Funding is
it is so constant concern, such as 16:9 and PALplus. The Japanese build us
Although specific solutions, but more expensive and worse than the native stuff
they will probably remain. Splendid isolation ...

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or "how to turn a complete illusion into a neverending money source"

-> Andre "ABPSoft" Beck ABP-RIPE Dresden, Germany, Spacetime <--




Antwort von Thorsten Albrecht:

Dieter Schlumbohm wrote:

> sell, not DVD-RAM, because with the DVD recorders
> has DVD-RAM clearly enforced worldwide. In Japan and U.S.
> their market share at 70-80%, and the trend is rising, and with the huge
> Benefits not a miracle.

What are the advantages of DVD-RAM Recording DVD-regarding?

Thorsten









Antwort von Dieter Schlumbohm:

Thorsten Albrecht wrote:

> What are the advantages of DVD-RAM Recording DVD-regarding?

1) Simply recording without the need to position
2) Real Delete any passages, release of the square
3) contiguous spaces use
4) Time-Shift
5) Recording and playback simultaneously
6) Free choice when you play (and delete)
7) without image editing error, the visual exactly
8) playlist, and several versions of non-linear editing
9) Cartridge
10) No Overwrite danger
11) 100000 times rewritable (RW: 1000)
12) Security (verification)
13) longevity (> 30 years)
14) CPRM-compatible (istRW not it come the first reports that
broadcasts of digital sources (premiere) mitRW not
could be included)

This applies gegenüberRW and RW except the new Pioneers (with 2xMedien
in VR mode), the lot of them can.

Disadvantage:
1) If a high compatibility of the rewritable
is essential, then RW is better, but it could be yes in
Future. Also describe all DVD-RAM recorder synonymous
DVD-R, and have the highest compatibility of all.

The former price disadvantage barely. At Media Markt
there are always times again the 2-sided in Cartridge for Panasonic
9.99 ie 5 euros per translated page. Xcitek: 3.75, Ritek: 3.25 and
these have been tested and work flawlessly.

RW RAM is like to
Audio tapes for data to floppy
Audio Cassettes to MiniDisc
VHS to hard drive
just sequential recording sector spelling

I will now synonymous tw. DVD-RAM archive reasons:
Erasable
Parts deleted
Longer life span (no organic layer, Cartridge)
Cartridge handling thanks to easier, faster and safer

Another has the following times in the Area DVD Forum wrote:
------------------
Regarding durability and data security.
DVD-R's to use an organic paint. This is temperature -
and Light sensitive.
DVD-RAM has several advantages:

- Lower Reflexonsgrad

- Phase-change layer (a metal alloy that is resistant to
UV light is)

- DSM process (similar to hard drive, bad sectors are detected,
corrected or not described)

- Redundant address and timing information
(If a sector address can not be read, the drive
the sector still by him from the last good sector and the
between the address is time-sectors identified. In a similar
Way can corrupt user data with the help of the
DVD error correction code ECC (Error Correction Code)
restored.)

For the film, such as data archiving should always DVD-RAM - no
-R - may be used.
Pioneer In-stock should be used to archive
-RW 's are used, since this is also a phase-change layer
use.

The price difference between the R and RW / RAM is just under 2
Euro. At the end is the more expensive solution, however, the cheaper ...
----------------

MfG, Dieter Schlumbohm




Antwort von Wolfgang Hauser:

Lutz Bojasch wrote:

> now we see in supermarkets where stands "CD-R, CD-RW, DVD / --
> RW or DVD-R "all the same cost: 10 pieces in jewelcase
> 9.99Euronen.

And beside a lonely single DVD-RAM for about 30 euros. :-(

Man _kann_ undoubtedly synonymous discs get cheap, but if
the marketing _massiv_ not improved, remains-ram a
Niche product remains years MO.





Antwort von Lutz Bojasch:

Wolfgang Hauser wrote:

> Lutz Bojasch wrote:
>
>> now we see in supermarkets where stands "CD-R, CD-RW, DVD / --
>> RW or DVD-R "all the same cost: 10 pieces in jewelcase
>> 9.99Euronen.
>
> And also a lonely single DVD-RAM for about 30 euros. :-(
>
> Man _kann_ undoubtedly synonymous discs get cheap, but if
> The Marketing _massiv_ not improved, still-ram a
> As a niche product for years MO.

Synonymous, I think, I have not seen DVD RAM, but not synonymous
then sought, I must confess.
Gruß Lutz

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Antwort von Herbert Nowak:

Wolfgang Hauser wrote:

> And also a lonely single DVD-RAM for about 30 euros. :-(
>
> Man _kann_ undoubtedly synonymous discs get cheap, but if
> The Marketing _massiv_ not improved, still-ram a
> As a niche product for years MO.

You've probably long nachgeschaut, the prices are currently in
free fall. This is most favorable to the Panasonic recorders.
Just Verbatim DVD-RAM (4.7 GB without cartridge) for 5.50 EUR
found, which is not far-removed RWs. Those who take advantage of
RAM has just experienced will remain.
If the prices next to expire and that the rumors for more
DVD recorder with RAM can not confirm more of niche
speak.

Herbert




Antwort von JörgArlandt:

Schlumbohm Dieter wrote:

> Strong, it will (next) may develop.
> I believe that in a few years ago hardly any DVD player
> Sell, not DVD-RAM, because with the DVD recorders
> Has DVD-RAM clearly enforced worldwide. In Japan and U.S.
> Their market share at 70-80%, and the trend is rising, and with the huge
> Benefits not a miracle.

That I do not see it. It may be that when the DVD recorder is the (global)
this is so, but the PC burner is certainly not the case. I think
the total number of such disclosure.

I also argue that the proliferation of devices with hard disks or
Combinations will increase much more. Just for Time Shift and
if not for the archives include films, this solution is better. And
for durable recording will probably each take DVD-R.

I would like my VDR in any case not against a DVD recorder one.
And finished devices in the consumer area now come true.

And frankly, I wonder why a pure player play DVD-RAM
should? If I were a recording device that I need
but no player for it.

> Xpost de.rec.tv.technik, Fup2 de.comp.tv video

if so, then please de.comp.hardware.laufwerke.brenner

> MfG, Dieter Schlumbohm

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Antwort von Ralf Fontana:

Schlumbohm Dieter wrote:

>> What are the advantages of DVD-RAM Recording DVD-regarding?

> 1) Simply recording without the need to position

I put my DVDs in the recorder - that's it.

No advantage for me.

> 2) Real Delete any passages, release of the square

Does the DVD-RW

> 3) contiguous spaces use

Can I use spaces synonymous incoherent?

> 4) Time-Shift

Do you want to say the timeshift with DVD-R [W] is not possible?
-> Pioneer DVR-5100 HS

> 5) Recording and playback simultaneously

Now is still missing Play and record simultaneously and then the
Chapter "Time-Shift", but finally.

> 6) Free choice when you play (and delete)

DVD-RW can do that

> 7) with no image editing error, the visual exactly

That should be a real advantage of DVD-RAM. If a system
the MPEG2 recording but pretty daring of bildgenauem
Cut to speak.

> 8) playlist, and several versions of non-linear editing

nothing special, pure software issue, and already listed under 7.,

> 9) Cartridge

no advantage in itself. But need more space.

> 10) No Overwrite danger

If they again can describe the risks very well.

> 11) 100000 times rewritable (RW: 1000)

Sticht.

> 12) data security (verification)

No property of the medium. Is it in the standard set?

> 13) longevity (> 30 years)

stings.

> 14) CPRM-compatible (istRW not it come the first reports that
> broadcasts of digital sources (premiere) mitRW not
> could be included)

Rarely so laughed. Or do you seriously about this, then-v, please.

> This applies gegenüberRW and RW except the new Pioneers (with 2xMedien
> VR-mode), the lot of them can.

Even. There are Native properties as lifetime and the
Number of write-erase cycles. They are of concern. There are other
Properties such as "use spaces, connected" they are
just Marketinggeblubber.

Both should be separated as much as possible.

> Disadvantage:
> 1) If a high compatibility of the rewritable
> is essential, then RW is better

Because DVD-RW, more or less DVD, DVD-RAM but only a mod mW
under foreign flags to sail einzustreichen sympathy.

> but that could change in the future, yes.

Immediately after the diesel car is compatible with Super Plus.
Hearty laugh I had when I when to gargle
http://www.opticallaser.com/products/faqs/Hitachi DVD RAM.htm
pushed me. "Shipments of DVD-ROM drives with this feature built-in
began earlier this year, and it will be a standard feature in drives
from the leading vendors, including Hitachi, by the end of this year. "
That was in 2001. Sounds to me like "the next tax reform is
but definitely bring what. "

> Also describe all DVD-RAM recorder synonymous DVD-R,

But you put your hand into the fire? Also, the Panasonic
DMR-E10Panasonic DMR-E10?

> and the compatibility, the highest ever.

In my circle of DVD RW was significantly more players
adopted as-R.

> RW RAM is like to
> Audio Cassettes as a data storage to floppy

Well, a bit more reliable DVD-RAM already.

> just sequential recording sector spelling

So, after all the foreplay we still on the second
technical advantage of the DVD-RAM.

The traditional DVD is basically like a CD as a continuous band of
Information is recorded. If somewhere down, then it is
again to be incredibly difficult. (before Burn Proof and Co. was
the statement still "impossible"). By contrast, the DVD-RAM as a
hard drive or MO sectors. This is the medium course
technically far better suited to random access
possible.

As far as the technology. As a customer needs me, but not
intressieren. Mag of the Engineer 2 or 2000 man-hours it
used when the recorder behind TimeShift beherscht is me
but cold.

> I will now synonymous tw. DVD-RAM archive reasons:
> Erasable

You have strange



Antwort von JörgSteppan:

Hello Herbert,

[...]
> Just Verbatim DVD-RAM (4.7 GB without cartridge) for 5.50 EUR
> Found that this is not far-removed RWs. Those who take advantage of

in the three-pack Panasonic 4.7 GB ¤ 14.98 for single and double pack
(2 x 4.7 with cartridge) 9.98 ¤.

> RAM erstmal experienced will remain.
> If the prices next to expire and that the rumors for more
> DVD-RAM recorder with-you can not confirm more of niche
> Speak.

I personally see as synonymous.

Gruß Jörg




Antwort von Bernhard Mueller:


"Ralf Fontana" wrote:

...

> And then gabs the media still synonymous with "5.2 GB, single sided" - the
> 10 pack in the cost but about 100 euros.
>
> Have I missed or what have you missed?

The answer comes not from the original poster, but it reads:
"You missed."

The DVD Recording DVD-RAM usable either 4.7 GB or 9.4
GB (double sided) and cost around 4-5 euros per 4.7 slice it ->
5-Pack of Verbatim 24.50 in MM

Bernhard





Antwort von Ralf Fontana:

Bernhard Mueller wrote:

>> Have I missed or what have you missed?

> The answer comes not from the original poster, but it reads:
> "You missed."

> The for DVD Recording DVD-RAM usable either 4.7 GB or 9.4
> GB (double sided) and cost around 4-5 euros per 4.7 slice it ->
> 5-Pack of Verbatim 24.50 in MM

Accepted. Thanks for the info.

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Antwort von Dieter Schlumbohm:

Ralf Fontana wrote:

>> 1) Simply recording without the need to position
>
> I put my DVDs in the recorder - that's it.

Is only good if the DVD is empty, at least at the beginning may nix more
be what you still need.

>> 3) contiguous spaces use
>
> Can you use spaces synonymous incoherent?

Yes exactly, that's very bad, sieheRW

>> 4) Time-Shift
>
> Do you mean to say the timeshift with DVD-R [W] is not possible?
> -> Pioneer DVR-5100 HS

I have written new Pioneers ("... ...")

>> 5) Recording and playback simultaneously
>
> Well still missing Play and record simultaneously and then the
> Chapter "Time-Shift", but finally.

These are different things, Time-Shift refers only to a
and the same recording, the other on all other shots. There are
no law of nature that is both must go. From Xoro be a
Hard Disk Recorder (!) Give the time-shift can not.

>> 6) Free choice when you play (and delete)
>
> DVD-RW can do that

But then you only have this free block and it can not
grouped with the other vacancies use, so there
no no preference.

>> 9) Cartridge
>
> no advantage in itself. But need more space.

However, a big advantage, I had described.

>> 10) No Overwrite danger
>
> If you again describe it is this danger very well.

No, do not. This shows you that you have DVD-RAM not know.
About Writing (with a new recording, as with VHS) is definitely
excluded. Recordings or portions thereof must be deleted * *
be the only clean way, everything else is IMHO Kokolores and
VHS deepest level.
(When the word "rewrite risk" should be clear that not
physical process is concerned, but accidental
Overwritten by the user.)

>> 12) data security (verification)
>
> No property of the medium. Is it in the standard set?

Generally known Defect management is often called synonymous.

>> 14) CPRM-compatible (istRW not it come the first reports that
>> broadcasts of digital sources (premiere) mitRW not
>> could be included)
>
> Rarely so laughed. Or do you seriously about this, then-v, please.

See the latest videos on p. 93 The (surprisingly) there
update was mentioned of a Philips-owner can not be found ...

> Eben. There are Native properties as lifetime and the
> Number of write-erase cycles. They are of concern. There are other
> Properties such as "use spaces, connected" they are
> just Marketinggeblubber.

This is not a "Marketinggeblubber", alone, therefore, if only because of it
Panasonic-Page strangely is not mentioned (as much
Other synonymous). This is daily practice. I can do the front with "parts
Delete "won the deleted recording medium and the free
Rest in one go back and play for me would be a system
that can not be unreasonable.

> Because DVD-RW, more or less DVD, DVD-RAM but only a mod mW
> the sail under foreign flags to einzustreichen sympathy.

At least the word "only" is not true. Me as a user is
wurscht if someone claims that had no "real" DVD, if
it is much better.

>> In addition, describe all the DVD-RAM recorder synonymous DVD-R,
>
> But you put your hand into the fire? Also, the Panasonic
> DMR E10Panasonic DMR-E10?

Silly. What I wrote is true not only for all current
Models, but even for those who ever appeared here in D are
starting with the DMR-E20 around Oct. 01 We are now at the 3rd
Generation, and you come here with non-European
"Pre-war models" ...

>> and have the highest compatibility of all.
>
> In my circle of DVD RW was significantly more players
> accepted as-R.

Na toll, and as representative. In a truly comprehensive test
-R came to about 96%, R to approximately 87%. UndRW is again significantly
underneath.

>> I will now synonymous tw. DVD-RAM archive reasons:
>> Erasable
>
> You have strange Vo



Antwort von Ralf Fontana:

Schlumbohm Dieter wrote:

>> I put my DVDs in the recorder - that's it.

> Is not only good when the DVD is empty, at least at the beginning may nix more
> be what you still need.

You can - with considerable acrobatics, but for the user
is totally irrelevant - a DVD-RW as a storage media with
random read and write manage. So it's a question
the software if a consumer device that can be synonymous.

>>> 3) contiguous spaces use

>> Can you use spaces synonymous incoherent?

> Yes exactly, that's very bad, sieheRW

Ask again: Can you use spaces synonymous incoherent? As
should go?

>>> 4) Time-Shift

>> -> Pioneer DVR-5100 HS

> I have written new Pioneers ("... ...")

Yeah, I read about. Do we have the timeshift no advantage of
DVD-RAM to DVD-R [W] is.

>>> 5) Recording and playback simultaneously
>
>> Now, is still missing Play and record simultaneously and then the
>> Chapter "Time-Shift", but finally.

> These are different things ,[...]
> There is no law of nature that always both must go.

But there is common sense. Says if a
technically possible must be synonymous and the other is technically possible.

>>> 6) Free choice when you play (and delete)

>> DVD-RW can do that

> But then you only have this free block and it can not
> grouped with the other vacancies use, so there
> is not no preference.

Mount Reinier describes how to use a DVD RW so as to manage the
HD works. And on a HD, I can synonymous fragmented data
(which surely you do?) write.

>>> 9) Cartridge

>[...], A big advantage, I had described.

You've written it Cartridges for DVD-RAM there. What as the
Advantage is to be, you have not written.

>>> 10) No Overwrite danger

>> If you again describe it is this danger very well.

> No, do not.

But anyway.

> This shows you that you have DVD-RAM not know.

This gives you quite.

> Overwrite (by a new recording, as with VHS) is definitely
> excluded. Recordings or portions thereof must be deleted * *
> be

This is a matter of software, not the medium.

> (The word "Overwrite risk" should be clear that not
> physical process is concerned, but accidental
> Overwritten by the user.)

What I meant was quite clear. But you did not address the question
"what are the properties but to the question" what are
the benefits ... "replied.

>>> 12) data security (verification)

>> No property of the medium. Is it in the standard set?

> General announced

I do not know. So please reply. If the verification in
Standard set?

> Defect management is often called synonymous.

Like Behind Volume control as an advantage of DDS is called. There
but it is not in default. There is no advantage of the DDS system
but a concrete DDS drive.

>>> 14) CPRM-compatible (istRW not it come the first reports that
>>> broadcasts of digital sources (premiere) mitRW not
>>> could be included)

>> Rarely so laughed. Or do you seriously about this, then-v, please.

> See the latest videos on p. 93

Not acceptable. Please write with your own words.

> The (surprisingly) it was mentioned update of a Philips-owner can not be found ...

Dark is the word meaning.

>> Precisely. There are Native properties as lifetime and the
>> Number of write-erase cycles. They are of concern. There are other
>> Properties such as "use spaces, connected" they are
>> just Marketinggeblubber.

>> Because DVD-RW, more or less DVD, DVD-RAM but only a mod mW
>> the sail under foreign flags to einzustreichen sympathy.

> At least the word "only" is not true.

It agrees very well, but was nevertheless not meant pejoratively. I
think MO for a great technology. My 128er Fujitsu always run


Antwort von Carla Schneider:

Schlumbohm Dieter wrote:
>
> Thorsten Albrecht wrote:
>
>> What are the advantages of DVD-RAM Recording DVD-regarding?
>
> 1) Simply recording without the need to position
> 2) Real Delete any passages, release of the square
> 3) contiguous spaces use
> 4) Time-Shift
> 5) Recording and playback simultaneously
> 6) Free choice when you play (and delete)
> 7) with no image editing error, the visual exactly
> 8) playlist, and several versions of non-linear editing
> 9) Cartridge
> 10) No Overwrite danger
> 11) 100000 times rewritable (RW: 1000)
> 12) data security (verification)
> 13) longevity (> 30 years)
> 14) CPRM-compatible (istRW not it come the first reports that
> Broadcasts of digital sources (premiere) mitRW not
> Could be included)
>

All this goes best with a hard drive.
As the costs for the gigabytes of hard drive under 1Euroliegt,
I see no advantage for DVD-RAM, because the price is not
much cheaper to have are

> This applies gegenüberRW and RW except the new Pioneers (with 2xMedien
> VR-mode), the lot of them can.
>
> Disadvantage:
> 1) If a high compatibility of the rewritable
> Is essential, then RW is better, but it could be yes in
> Future. Also describe all DVD-RAM recorder synonymous
> DVD-R, and have the highest compatibility of all.

I have an old DVD-ROM drive that can read DVD R, but not
DVD RW or DVD-RW.


--
http://www.geocities.com/carla_sch/index.html




Antwort von Dieter Schlumbohm:

Ralf Fontana wrote:

> You can - with considerable acrobatics, but for the user
> is completely irrelevant - a DVD-RW as a storage media with
> random read and write manage. So it's a question
> the software if a consumer device that can be synonymous.

Totally irrelevant stuff that might be theoretically possible, as long as the
Equipment it can not.

> Please again: Can you use spaces synonymous incoherent? As
> should go?

Na in which you look at the longest raussuchst for a recording, maybe
the second longest for the next ...

> Yeah, I read about. Do we have the timeshift no advantage of
> DVD-RAM to DVD-R [W] is.

Huh? RW can no timeshift! And-RW, only the new Pioneers
in VR mode with 2x media.

> Mount Reinier describes how to use a DVD RW so as to manage the
> the HD is working. And on a HD, I can synonymous fragmented data
> (which do you surely?) write.

Gray is all theory.

> You've written it Cartridges for DVD-RAM there. What as the
> Advantage is you do not have to be written.

Wh from my posting of 26.1.:
"Longer life (no organic layer, Cartridge)
Cartridge handling thanks to easier, faster and safer "

>> Na toll, and as representative. In a truly comprehensive test
>>-R came to about 96%, R to approximately 87%. UndRW is again significantly
>> underneath.
>
> Source, please.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?I3DC52A45

>> All about 5 (that I have read) the two devices to
>> Home tested had, now have (only) the Panasonic DMR-E100.
>
> Hm If you subject yourself to the "representative" was not too far from
> opposed to the window :-)

There are, logically, not too many people, both devices themselves
at home and have tested it yet publicly written synonymous
have. If the total of perhaps roughly estimated here in D 10
were, then I have about 50% of them read. This is highly
representative surveys, ratings and electoral trends in
Sizes of 1% or less worked.

MfG, Dieter Schlumbohm




Antwort von Ralf Fontana:

Schlumbohm Dieter wrote:

> Completely irrelevant since what may be theoretically possible, as long as the
> Devices it can not.

Quite wrong, you have not.

>> Please again: Can you use spaces synonymous incoherent? As
>> should go?

> Na in which you look at the longest raussuchst for a recording, maybe
> the second longest for the next ...

So fragmented. Ok, I understand the least.

>> Yeah, I read about. Do we have the timeshift no advantage of
>> DVD-RAM to DVD-R [W] is.

> Huh? RW can no timeshift!

The MediumRW is therefore unsuitable for TS? Why?

> And-RW, only the new Pioneers
> VR with 2x media.

So gehts.

>> Mount Reinier describes how to use a DVD RW so as to manage the
>> a working HD. And on a HD, I can synonymous fragmented data
>> (which do you surely?) write.

> Gray is all theory.

If you hide the theory - what is the life of a
DVD-RAM? Four years? Or even five years? Length gives the medium
not.

>> You've written it Cartridges for DVD-RAM there. What as the
>> Advantage is you do not have to be written.

> Thanks Cartridge handling easier, quicker and safer

This applies only if you have all the media in the cartridge continually do.

Are the media in the comparable price in packs of 10
Cartridges delivered?

If not, then you have the entire way round. You must be the medium
into the cartridge clean and take out again afterwards, you have more
Fact, more time and effort as the Fettgrifel on the media.

>>> Na toll, and as representative. In a truly comprehensive test
>>>-R came to about 96%, R to approximately 87%. UndRW is again significantly
>>> underneath.

The "Comprehensive Test" was, 57 DVD player with media from
five burners to feed. What evidence would it get colder at night
is a potato salad.

The-R format is most of the players can be read
I like to think. BEIR vs.RW confirms the theory but my
totally unrepresentative values. The reflection characteristics derRW
are much closer to DVD9.

> http://makeashorterlink.com/?I3DC52A45

leads to http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/DVDMediaFormats/Home.aspx
(Why easy if it is synonymous cumbersome)

--
Tofu shows that the poster with the understanding and digesting the
Pre garnicht only was made, it may not yet be
once read. Why should these people respect and Articles?
(Martin Gerdes in de.comm.technik.isdn)




Antwort von Torsten Becker:

Herbert Nowak wrote on Tue, 27 January, 2004
19:02:320100 following:

>> Man _kann_ undoubtedly synonymous discs get cheap, but if
>> the marketing _massiv_ not improved, still-ram a
>> As a niche product for years MO.

> Just Verbatim DVD-RAM (4.7 GB without cartridge) for 5.50 EUR
> found that this is not far-removed RWs. Those who take advantage of
> RAM erstmal experienced will remain.

This illusion I once had of Mo's, but the market has then
but decided to zip (unbelievable but true)

--
yesterday morning




Antwort von Herbert Nowak:

Torsten Becker wrote:

> This illusion I once had of Mo's, but the market has then
> but decided to zip (unbelievable but true)

Yes clearly, which was then synonymous for Betamax vs.. VHS. The market's targets
halt. But as we recently read (not here), it seems
DVD-Ram coming to be that you can see exactly synonymous to the declining
Prices.

Herbert




Antwort von Ralf Fontana:

Herbert Nowak wrote:

> But as it reads in recent times (not here), it seems
> DVD-Ram coming to be

Show me your prediction - and I tell you who you paid.

> that you can see exactly synonymous to the falling prices.

This could be interpreted differently synonymous. I will always hold
suspicious if someone is in the conviction Brustton announces the
this or that format will prevail. The dispute - vs has
since some insights.

--
[] I am a founding member of the party "Against the spirit free
Naming devices by labeling with
incoherent figures and letters "are.





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