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welche framerate bei (evtl ntsc) analog capture??

the frame rate capture for analog (ntsc to hire)?



Frage von Blu3B1rd:
Mai 2006

Hello,

I'm trying (desperately: D) Analogue of a PANASONIC NV-R200 on my pc to dub. The camera has been purchased in the usa (in about 12 years), but could anything ever screens on pal-play normally (that's why I say "to hire ntsc").
I Grabbe VDub 1.6.14 with the uncompressed material. If I have included a scene of 15 minutes, and I look at them later on we notice a ton of images of extreme asynchronicity - the tone is a few minutes about 1 sec faster).
In VDub, I have some network setup already synonymous with frame-rate etc tried, but so far without success.
I've already tried following frame rates: 25, 23.976, 20, 24, 30

With 25fps, I have nearly the best result.

what surprises me a little: in VDub, the "average rate" appears always with 24.97irgendwas ...
can say that now my camera can not provide a constant 25 frames??

please help me, I despair because I really wanted for my parents .... all the old vhs cassettes digitize order to keep them for eternity too .....

Thank you in advance
Blu3B1rd



Antwort von beiti:

When the camera is NTSC format (which could be reasonably expected when it was bought in the U.S.), they are from 29.97 fps. That comes in your list but not available.



Antwort von Markus:

Hello,

You still captures with a combination of graphics and sound card? Then it does not surprise me, not that run Picture and sound synchronously. An A / D conversion with locked audio would have this problem, certainly not.

The link you already know:
FireWire FAQ">1. (c) Why not using graphics capture card, TV card or Videograbber?








Antwort von Blu3B1rd:

oh man, sry my errors.
I said of course not 23,976 but 29,976!!
not running ...



Antwort von Blu3B1rd:

no, I've increased my extra ne cut card (hauppauge impact vcb something) because it has not brought my nvidia apparently ...
Now do not tell me what is so analogous to an a / d converter capture is better suited (argh, I have 60 ¬ on the map Laminated) ..
ne but it must give the possibility to synchronize images and the tone .....

btw yes the picture is cut map - ton about sound card (sound blaster audigy 2 zs - line in)



Antwort von beiti:

For movie DVDs there are actually synonymous 23.97 fps - but you can not capture such an analog. (Only do as background info. Movie has nothing to with your problem.)

Well, that's an AD converter is more suitable. :) But you do not get for 60 euros. : (

Are you sure that it can capture the Hauppauge NTSC?



Antwort von Blu3B1rd:

which now means I can not get UNDER 60 ¬? ---> Veeery bad: (

Now again about NTSC: that seems to play no role, since it's live-view image of a digital camera directly to synonymous nem 50hz pal tvs in color to ...
And I mean to remember that's what my father when he bought a digital camera then the extra attention on it that there is NO (or not pure) NTSC camera has is ....( I was young then;))

tjooo now I stand here before the scherben my bad buy, or how ??.... can be doch nich ....

TECHNICALLY can someone explain to me why the image shifts when grabbing my method? And why an a / d converter with "locked audio" fixes the problem?
technically because: I figure it will be better ^ ^



Antwort von Blu3B1rd:

unless someone can help me until I try now, easy times, and separate recording of visual ton .....



Antwort von beiti:

Quote:
that seems to play no role, since it's live-view image of a digital camera directly to synonymous nem 50hz pal tvs in color to ...
Yes, but at 60 Hz;)

OR the camera is actually PAL, if your father in any specialty store or export it has purchased.

Before starting to unternimm more desperate attempts to find out you should necessarily produce what standard your camcorder. Does not that on it somewhere on the device? Or, at least in the manual?
A good test is the dubbing of shooting on a normal PAL-VHS VCR. If that works properly, the camcorder PAL synonymous.



Antwort von Blu3B1rd:

So ne anleitung can probably muster no more synonymous google spits out anything useful ... (only batteries for the cam)

oh and lol straight times when I have my eyes open my yes because what is on the camera (very small: P) and although PAL & vhs-c

I think clarity is no more: D man I'm blind ...

So: NO !!!!!!! NTSC



Antwort von beiti:

Then that would be resolved well. :)

(Another Klugscheißerei afterwards: There are two PAL versions in South America with 60 Hz, but as far as I know for these standards were never produced his own camcorder. Your camcorder also works when PAL draufsteht, almost certainly with 50 Hz)

Back to the real problem:
S.Anfang You write that you are capturing uncompressed. Depending on the pixel size is to come together a huge amount of data that your PC may not be tolerated.
Therefore, two inquiries:
1) What are your other settings (resolution, format ...)?
2) What do you do with the recorded material s.end (s.PC watch, burn VCD, DVD burn ...)?

PS: Is it by chance



Antwort von Markus:

"Blu3B1rd" wrote:
TECHNICALLY can someone explain to me why the image shifts when grabbing my method? And why an a / d converter with "locked audio" fixes the problem?

This question shows me that you are my (previously linked post FireWire FAQ">1. (c) Why do not capture using graphics card, TV card or video grabber?) Have not been read. There it is that is described. ;-)

Alternative to the purchase of a suitable A / D converter in such a device could be synonymous You








Antwort von Blu3B1rd:

ok I ma fang on technical:
recording device:
amd 3500 +, 2 gb ram dual channel @ athlon, nforce4ultra, 250GB SATA2 disk, ATI Radeon X800XT ---> think that should be sufficient for smooth start or?
recording format: 720x576
Video Standard PAL_B
Frame Rate 25.0000fps
farbspektrum-/komprimierung RGB 24

The material is in the state about 2 minutes gb /. I chase after the record another deinterlace (blend) and divx compression of VDub about it, so it will be 20mb/min bearable;)

it will be later on dvd players play - a miserable vhs-dvd combo of aldi mpg does not even "raw" (ie data that do not vcd / svcd compliant are able to read) ... (do not want my parents to listen to me: D)

@ markus:
that's not a technical explanation, and I) need bits and bytes ^ ^



Antwort von beiti:

Quote:
think that would accommodate for smooth or rich?
Uncompressed PAL video including sound comes to over 30 MB / sec. Your Calculator should do it (depending on the hard drive), but it brings modern systems synonymous s.The limits.
For Comparison: A DV signal (as via firewire from a DV camcorder or an A / D converter is) only needs about 3.6 MB / sec.

Quote:
The material is in the state about 2 minutes gb /. I chase after the record another deinterlace (blend) and divx compression of VDub about it, so it will be 20mb/min bearable;) it will be later on dvd players play
If it is to come to VCD, SVCD or DVD, you should not have any exotic compressions applied as an intermediate step - and in the case of SVCD and DVD synonymous no deinterlacing. You need MPEG1 for VCD, SVCD and DVD to MPEG2 in each sub-standard resolution.

Quote:
wretched vhs-dvd combo of aldi does not even mpg "raw" (ie data that do not vcd / svcd compliant are able to read) ...
This is not such a big disadvantage. Non-standard format archivtechnisch are questionable because they may be on later players are no longer playable. Even with today's "omnivorous" players, there are still some problems. Therefore, I can only recommend a 100% compliant DVD format.



Antwort von Markus:

"Blu3B1rd" wrote:
that's not a technical explanation, and I) need bits and bytes ^ ^

I have deliberately chosen the wording so that it synonymous for non-techies can understand. Here is an excerpt from the original version:

Quote:
Another shortcoming in capturing on TV and graphics cards is the lack of synchronicity of Picture and Sound: Both signals (audio / video) running on different paths into the calculator: The video signal on TV-/graphics card and the audio signal via the soundcard . Both cards digitize the incoming signal independently and with different time basis. As a result, Picture and sound drift apart in the saved file often, that after a while the sound is running behind the Picture, or vice versa.

Here are the bits-and-bytes Summary:
Capture of graphics or TV card = 0 (= not recommended)
Capture with A / D converter = 1 (= recommended)




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