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Frage von bernhard.biebl@arcor.de:


Hello,
I beg for mercy first with a question a thousand times already
has been made.

I would like to see a PC into the living room provide.
I can conveniently a chassis with CPU (Asus Barebone Pundit R350 with
CPU Celeron 2400 (Socket 478) receive.
Mainboard Chipset: North Bridge: ATI RS350L, South Bridge: IXP200,
Integrated Graphics ATI Radeon 9100 (supported direktX 8.1)
Sound: ADI AD1888 6 CHANNEL
2 PCI slots

Fits I have:
2x 512MB Memory DDR 400
1x IDE 200GB hard drive
1x DVD Burners
The thing should be in normal use with a remote control, without
Keyboard / mouse to use.
Use cases are:
Record TV programs
Pictures of the store and view digital camera
DVD and record
old VHS tapes Digitizer

I would need:
Operating system, I think s.Windows XP Media Center for Vista think
I change the hardware too weak.
TV card.
The TV card I know is not what I should take.
Television, I have analog cable, digital cable receiver with
and card and DVB-T (peripheral, receiving room with a short antenna
tried, with much fumbling maybe possible).

A purely analog TV card, I would not really.
A pure DVB-T card I find synonymous not optimal.

A DVB-C card would be a possibility, but then I would have
somehow the card from the digital receiver to get the PC. That
goes well, but I view as honestly not what I
need, or how exactly it goes.

I tend at the moment to an analogue TV card and the DVB-T can.
Since there are so few. But when the good reviewers convince
I think not.
I've found:

Terratec Cinergy HTPCI,
System requirements should fit, but nothing to write
of Windows XP Media Center.
Has someone the card under the Media Center operating?
Currently I tend to this card because I believe that the
positive and negative critiques least balanced.

Hauppauge Win TV-HVR-1100 or 1300
Here, too, should fit the system requirements. The slightly more expensive
1300 would be due to the hardware MPEG-2 encoder safe
Alternative.
However, the cards but rarely praised but often criticized.

Pinnacle
They have several cards that I may enjoy. Besides the
Of me planned Celeron 2.4 GHz with some little cards
schmalbrüstig might be calling the DirectX 9 or higher compatible
Graphics and sound card. I fear that with my onboard sound /
Graphic problems are inevitable.

I am for all tips and advice appreciated

Bernhard Biebl





Antwort von Ralf Schmode:

bernhard.biebl @ arcor.de wrote:

> I would like to see a PC into the living room provide.

[...]

> Television, I have analog cable, digital cable receiver with
> And card and DVB-T (peripheral, receiving room with a short antenna
> Probiert, possibly with a lot of fumbling possible).

Hello, Bernhard,

if you get a little comfort like, but optimal
Want to do quality recording, I would guess to the solution,
I'm just synonymous gebastelt had with a much weaker
equipped "Altrechner":

Get a D-Box1 with the operating system and DVB2000
Premiere-certified serial number (for about 25 euros at Ebay), construction in
the "living machine" a pure SCSI card (for a few euros for
Ebay) and you can customize the digital data from the digital cable box
directly onto the hard drive of your PC to stream. Synonymous in the way radio
very good quality. You will still need a recording software (for
running on the network) and possibly a software to stream from the saved
Video-DVDs to be able to (also available free on the net).

The whole thing goes, however, only if, first, you have a smart card,
in a D-Box1 works (IIRC, the so-called "K01" and
"K02" cards, the experts here might like to correct me if necessary), and
secondly, to buying D-box to your smart card suitable module
( "Cam") has. This is for Premiere Card, again IIRC, a "Blue Cam
for K01-cards and a "Blue Cam" or "Green Cam" for K02 cards. If
You have a digital cable Germany smartcard, you run the risk of the
K09 - which runs in the D-Box is not, you should then Kabel Deutschland
ask you a K01 or K02 attachments. Then do not mention
that you have the map for a modified D-Box would like to have!

Thus you have not a remote system, but at least I
missing not synonymous. The coding of images with the mouse
is not synonymous extremely uncomfortable. In the recordings, you can choose
if you have sound and picture files separately want (can be useful when
the data later on video DVDs will be processed) or a
. mpg file with embedded ( "Multiplexed" or "gemuxter") Soundtrack
should arise, the DBV2000Recorder is synonymous both simultaneously.

Oh yes: With WinXP, the whole thing probably had not really intense
tested in the relevant tutorials will be advised W2K as OS.
A cheap DVB-T solution via USB you can of course still
additional purchase, which should be synonymous with running W2K.

I had this thing as a temporary solution zusammengebastelt than
my hard disk recorder in a longer warranty repair was.
Meanwhile, I have repaired the recorder back, but I did it
no longer used: ->

Greetings from the north, Ralf

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Antwort von Thomas Beyer:

wrote:
> Hello,
> I beg for mercy first with a question a thousand times already
> Has been made.
>
> I would like to see a PC into the living room provide.
> I can conveniently a housing with CPU (Asus Barebone Pundit R350 with
> CPU Celeron 2400 (Socket 478) receive.
> Mainboard Chipset: North Bridge: ATI RS350L, South Bridge: IXP200,
> Integrated Graphics ATI Radeon 9100 (supported direktX 8.1)
> Sound: ADI AD1888 6 CHANNEL
> 2 PCI slots

The aforementioned ATI chipset has massive performance problems on the USB --
Ports and is quite time-critical isochronous transfers at the
PCI bus. USB TV Sticks are a no-go, to say that I have on a
Pundit neither adequate PCMCIA - still USB TV cards depending on the smooth
Running.

The TV card looks a little less critical: a Terratec 1200
(DVBT) ran very well, with a Twinhan DTV, the picture froze for a few
Minutes, a Technisat Airstar ran for hours
smoothly.

Always with the same application (DVBViewer Pro and Cyberlink MPEG2
Decoder) tested, only the relevant drivers installed, in order
Draw conclusions on the cards to be made and possibly software problems
ruled out.

> I would Fits:
> 2x 512MB Memory DDR 400
> 1x IDE 200GB hard drive
> 1x DVD Burners
> The thing should be in normal use with a remote control, without
> Keyboard / mouse to use.
> Use cases would be:
> Record TV programs
> Pictures of the store and view digital camera
> DVD and record

> Old VHS tapes Digitizer

Digitization of analog materials such as VHS zugespieltem is synonymous only
with analog TV cards, DVB cards are usually turned off when you
times of 1, 2 exceptions out with DVB cards with additional
Video - In offered.

> I would need:
> OS, I think s.Windows XP Media Center for Vista think
> I change the hardware too weak.

The MS Media Center interface eats a * lot * resources. Even without
Video output you'll get your system to determine the CPU
Duration utilization at over 30% will lie. In addition to the resource constraints
it means that your Minibarbone thermally very loaded. IMHO
So not a good idea.

A resource-friendly, but much konfigurationsmäßig * *
expensive alternative is Media Portal (runs on all common
Windows variants), VDR (dedicated Linux system) or just a me of
favored, monolithic application solutions: DVBViewer. The
Provariante via plugins can be quite good on your needs upgrade
(Remote control, Media Center interface, timer-controlled recordings ...),
costs only 15 ¤ and is more stable than anything else I have
unterkam.

> TV card.
> If the TV card, I do not what I should take.
> Television, I have analog cable, digital cable receiver with
> And card and DVB-T (peripheral, receiving room with a short antenna
> Probiert, possibly with a lot of fumbling possible).

Analog TV is out for me. Not least because of the
Fact, the shots always echtzeitkomprimiert need and the
System is greatly underutilized. With DVB (no preference whether T, C or S) is
already in MPEG2 video and audio sent AC3/MPEG1, and as "streams"
only the already compressed signal to the hard drive, which is hardly
System resources required, to the extent that enough disk space is available.

DVB-T is quite usable as a PC solution, so far no high -
Claims s.die Videoqulität presents. In the present in Germany
bitrates sent to the 2000 kbit / s can not expect
stop everything looks a little weichgespült and candy colors. Since you do in
receiving a live remote, I would rather advise. Reception dropouts
(missing frames) in DVB streams can be recorded
degenerate lengthy postprocessing procedures, which are not trivial
are.

DVB-S is often recommended, but not everyone can be a bowl of
the house wall pin. If satellite is a problem for you?

DVB-C is a solid solution, so far anyway you cable TV at home
has moved. Emfangsstabil quality and the Satellite





Antwort von bernhard.biebl@arcor.de:

On 3 Aug., 14:25, Thomas Beyer wrote:
>> Mainboard Chipset: North Bridge: ATI RS350L, South Bridge: IXP200,
> The question ATI chipset has massive performance problems on the USB --
> Ports and is quite time-critical isochronous transfers at the
> PCI-bus. USB TV Sticks are a no-go, to say that I have on a
> Neither adequate Pundit PCMCIA - still USB TV cards depending on the smooth
> Running.
This is an important info. Thank you.
>
> If the TV card looks slightly less critical: a Terratec 1200
> (DVBT) ran very well, with a Twinhan DTV, the picture froze for a few
> Minutes, a Technisat Airstar ran for hours
> Smoothly.
> Always with the same application (DVBViewer Pro and Cyberlink MPEG2
> Decoder) tested, only the relevant drivers installed, in order
> Draw conclusions on the cards to be made and possibly Softwareprobl =
eme
> Ruled out.
This confirms my impression of TV cards querbeet by all
Manufacturer. A product that really well and is mature, it seems
not to give. For me this means: Only on the internet and order
wenns does not go back.

>> Old VHS tapes Digitizer
>
> Zugespieltem digitization of analog materials such as VHS is only synonymous
> With analog TV cards, DVB cards are usually turned off when you
> Times of 1, 2 exceptions out with DVB cards with additional
> Video - In offered.
On the subject of video - At what times should know: I have a digital
Cable Receiver (Unity Media micro TT 254 - what is the box s.der
RJ 45-port?).
This receiver has two scart connections. I might now
Receiver via cable s.den Video - In a TV card
?. I see that right there is the original digital
Signal in the receiver into an analog signal is then converted in
PC to be digitized? With corresponding disadvantages as
Quality loss, required processing power with high
System utilization and high housing temperature ...
>
>
> Alternative is Media Portal (runs on all common
> Windows versions), VDR (dedicated Linux system) or just a me of
> Favorite, monolithic application solutions: DVBViewer.
That must be me everything I still look at leisure.

> DVB-S is often recommended, but not everyone can be a bowl of
> The house wall pin. If satellite is a problem for you?
Not planned, no Satellitentaugliche cabling.

> about a CI, CAM and a smart card on synonymous
> Computers on what the cost increases,
> Ongoing costs and potentially create more sources of error, since
> The receiver technology is unnecessarily complicated.
Acquisition times are only secondary. However,
predicted to be the solution for a few years to work
is.
But what do you mean running costs? Grundgebür for cable
I pay anyway. Round plus 2 euros for the euro surcharge
Base rate of Unity Media. If the target PC solution with
additional ongoing costs to be expected? What?

>> A DVB-C card would be a possibility
> An example would be a FireDTVAlphacrypt Light, or a TechnoTrend
> 1500 DVB-C card, together with CI, which is then in a CAM (Alphacrypt Light)
> Is, in turn, your smartcard will find their place. Verplane at
> This scenario was not under ¤ 170, among them there are hardly any solutions.
The more I deal with the issue even more, growing
Recognizing that this variant are really good for me.
But for me to bring light into the darkness: FireDTV is an external box?
How will the s.PC connected?
The Light Alphacrypt used to my Smardcard aufzunemen and comes
then where? FireDTV or must s.PC a corresponding recording space
exist?
On most attractive seems to me the solution of TechnoTrend. The werd
I'm primarily pursue next.

DVB-T, I can probably tick (Poor reception location, few stations).
Analog Technique (external receiver via digital video - In) is the
much cheaper, but technically unsatisfactory variant.
I will now first Unity Media contact and try out
to get w



Antwort von Thomas Beyer:

Bernhard Biebl wrote:

>> If the TV card looks slightly less critical: a Terratec 1200
>> (DVBT) ran very well, with a Twinhan DTV, the picture froze for a few
>> Minutes, a Technisat Airstar ran for hours
>> Smoothly.
>> Always with the same application (DVBViewer Pro and Cyberlink MPEG2
>> Decoder) tested, only the relevant drivers installed, in order
>> Conclusions on the cards to be made and possibly software problems
>> Ruled out.

> This confirms my impression of TV cards querbeet by all
> Manufacturer. A product that really well and is mature, it seems
> Not to give. For me this means: Only on the internet and order
> If not go back to work.

I have info on these specifically focused on the interplay of the
said TV card with a Asus Pundit-R relation, the ATI chipset
is something silly. General statements like "good map or good for nothing"
can be in this profession is not so easy to make, since you can have the system
always within the overall context must be seen. On trouble are still
Inetlchipsätze what TV cards are concerned. How Twinhan
While the Pundit does not have a long time, very well but on an Asus
P4P800 with 865er chipset.

In this respect it should on its own, really dedicated to TV
Kartenneuerwerb the first few days an intensive stress test carried out on
before it for a refund / exchange is too late. Experiences of other
Users regarding the stability are really only of use if
on an adequate system (motherboard, OS, other peripherals)
was tested.

>>> Old VHS tapes Digitizer
>>
>> Zugespieltem digitization of analog material such as VHS is only synonymous
>> With analog TV cards, DVB cards are usually turned off when you
>> Times of 1, 2 exceptions out with DVB cards with additional
>> Video - In offered.
> On Video - At what times should know: I have a digital
> Cable Receiver (Unity Media micro TT 254 - what is the box s.der
> 45-RJ connector?).
> This receiver has two scart connections. I might now
> Receiver via cable s.den Video - In a TV card
>?. I see that right there is the original digital
> Signal in the receiver into an analog signal is then converted in
> PC to be digitized?

No.. In settop boxes will be the 2nd SCART input to the concerns of a
Signal only for the first SCART durchgeschliffen, there's no A / D / A
Signal conversion instead. In this respect, the solution for digitizing
unusable. But what goes, would be a DV-Camera with Video - In, at
What is the video via Firewire port and the DV s.PC dan --
Data recordings. If you have no camera, would be to
(unique) digitizing determined somewhere a nice guy
grasp of you for this purpose leaves his camera on loan?

>> About a CI, CAM and a smart card on synonymous
>> Computer on what the cost increases,
>> Running costs and potentially create more sources of error, since
>> The receiver technology is unnecessarily complicated.
> Acquisition times are only secondary. However,
> Predicted to be the solution for a few years to work
> Is.
> But what do you mean running costs? Grundgebür for cable
> Do I pay for anyway. Round plus 2 euros for the euro surcharge
> Basis tariff of Unity Media. If the target PC solution with
> Other running costs can be expected? What?

Almost everything in the digital cable network is encrypted (Premiere, KDG
Package, foreign programs), even otherwise unencrypted
Bouquet as did the RTL Group and PRO7/SAT.1 be in the cable
"grundverschlüsselt". In early 2005, there were times temporarily the possibility,
for a one-off "activation fee" this grundverschlüsselten
Programs to unlock - either to an existing
Smart Card or admitted using deterministic map. Meanwhile wants KDG
synonymous monthly fees for these channels.
If you're not watching television on the public
Programs legal limit to arise



Antwort von bernhard.biebl@arcor.de:

On 5 Aug., 14:21, Thomas Beyer wrote:
> Bernhard Biebl wrote:
>
>>>> Old VHS tapes Digitizer
>
>> On Video - At what times should know: I have a digital
>> Cable box (Unity Media micro TT 254 - what is the box s.der
>> RJ 45-port?).
>> This receiver has two scart connections. I might now
>> Receiver via cable s.den Video - In a TV card
>>?. I see this correctly that it was originally announced =
ale
>> Signal in the receiver into an analog signal is then converted in
>> PC to be digitized?
>
> No.. In settop boxes will be the 2nd SCART input to the concerns of a
> Signal only for the first SCART durchgeschliffen, there's no A / D / A
> Signal Conversion instead. In this respect, the solution for digitizing
> Unusable. But what goes, would be a DV-Camera with Video - In, at
> What is the video via Firewire port and the DV s.PC dan --
> Data recordings. If you have no camera, would be to
> (Single) digitizing determined somewhere a nice guy
> Grasp of you for this purpose his camera on loan überläß =
t?
I think here we are talking to each other and I was not
properly expressed.
It was not about me here digitizer of VHS tapes but
Recording vonFernsehsendungen dead. Receiving is on the set-top box
and via scart cable and corresponding s.PC recorded.
>
> If you however already smart card user yet, because you via DVB-C
> Receive a set-top box, then you can use this smart card in the PC synonymous
> Continues to use.
That would be what I would like s.besten.
>
> It is important in this context, what card you Unity Media
> Will turn on. One IMHO Alphacrypt Light comes only with K02 and K09
> Maps clearly, depending on the provider but are now synonymous happy IXX
> Send cards, which are then only in with the offer gebundelten
> Want to run set-top box.
On my card is very small TO-03. This card works
neither with the light Alphacrypt another other CI. So I must
First I see if ne of Unity Media can get matching card.
Toll.

>> You've been my whole ne corner next helped.
>
> The issue is quite complex. Believe me, it's only really now
> Los:).
And, as I believe you.
Except for the type I currently Smarcard did not
appropriate hardware (oderist the software) are synonymous with the wirds
Rest funny.
Both of you proposed systems (FireDTV and TechnoTrend) make
to me a solid impression.
However, the external solution of FireDTV I do not like (I want
fewer boxes in the living room, not more). I can FloppyDTV
The barebone has no use. The only existing 3.5-inch-square
I need the hard drive.
The Technotrend C2300 liked me because of the additional analog
Receiver very well. With this card, could I get my multimedia PC
build and when the case with the Smardcard works on digital
change. But unfortunately this card does in its final three PCI -
Places of which only two I have available ...
The TechnoTrend C-1500 would at least fit into my barebone ...
if I understand the problem with the warrior Smardcard solved.
Greeting
Bernhard






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