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"Avid or FinalCut / HP Workstation Quad or MAC?"



Frage von R3D:
November 2006

Serz,

I have a problem, I would like to see a new system to lay around and wonder whether 376mal s.Tag win - or Mac based ... I want eigtl. with Avid (+ Mojo), as well as the Adobe series of work, but should FinalCut with hardware support, a la "Black Magic-design.com" more for less money-offer ...
I want to insert so much power that I can just lay back - and not spend over 6k!

Also, the new Mac or an HP workstation, which gives me more power and more what I think?
From a software issue, I have some natural advantages in the PC! The MAC will be some teething problems since the new Intel chips bring ... correct? - What system is running round, you can say sowas überhaupt? How would you decide you?



Antwort von Axel:

"R3D" wrote:
The MAC will be some teething problems since the new Intel chips bring ... correct?


Where did you hear that?
Of this I am not aware.
Unless, of course, with "problems" are the Adobe products meant to run on Intel-based Macs to run stable, but until now not the double or quadruple processing power to exploit. This is still ongoing.
With Boot Camp and forthcoming with Leopard, the Mac synonymous of WinXP start.



Antwort von R3D:

Yes, geanu which refers to the Adobe-lined, and on FinalCut that synonymous not yet fully Ausnuztung of Intel chips bring!
But ne eigtl. answer to my question would be nice: D.








Antwort von Axel:

"R3D" wrote:
... and on FinalCut that synonymous not yet fully Ausnuztung Intel chips bring!


Kappes! Teste but Final Cut Pro on an Intel Mac. Heavy, which is faster and stable present. Your real question, I must go further.



Antwort von PowerMac:

Tja. Do you like Avid or Final Cut prefer?
Do you like OS X or Windows better?

The questions you need clarified. Lens is probably, or OS X Tiger, the more coordinated system. And a Mac with Final Cut Pro is pretty much the fastest under 10,000.



Antwort von R3D:

I have until now only with WIN based systems worked, so never NEN MAC before me had not synonymous ie = FinalCut! With Avid, I have a little experience, but not synonymous so I would say - clearly onganz Avid. I'm rather s.dem point: Select a new system, choose a new editing software so that I could choose both ... but I do not know now what: (
Is FinalCut, because in comparison to Avid cheaper and brings the same Standadrd, or to support the hardware-related (at Avid - Mojo SDI, for example) have the same qualities and Connections? The white one?



Antwort von Axel:

That you should even find out. Testing. Compare Prices. Avid and Mac join incidentally not synonymous, although in recent times much of Avid to Final Cut Pro will be changed and not vice versa. So before I spend a few thousand would do itself a Picture.



Antwort von PowerMac:

Depends of the application. Final Cut can do everything. But there are some Avid versions, one for amateurs, for Prosumer, for news editors, for TV, films, etc. This is all with Final Cut. I know editors who for VOX, RTL, SAT1 Cutter. These pet and craftsmen formats. And there are some films that with Final Cut were cut. Cold Mountain, Ocean's 11, Jarhead ... and many more.
In principle, one fast Mac and Final Cut to NEN Hollywood film to be cut. Of course, Aja ne or BMD card useful for color correction and monitoring of video. Since there are cheap for 500 euros, the HD-SDI can. The even have HD acceleration. More you need not. Sure properly RAM, the good ATI graphics card, so 4 GB and a few plates still brisk. If you want to do uncompressed HD, you need an expensive RAID purchase. For each system;) DVCPRO HD langt but for many things.
For Final Cut Studio, you have a few great synonymous Programs like soundtrack and DVD Studio Pro here. Straight DVD Studio Pro is really damn good. Only Sonic Scenarist for 35,000 euros may be more. Motion is sent for quick animations, Titling and sowas. If you have 500 euros in Shake invest, you are responsible for everything cope. And you have a stable system with OS X Tiger. Super File Search, Stable, intuitive. I find a pleasure to work creatively. Things like Dashboard or Exposé (all windows away quickly, windows sort ... F9, F10, F11)

Ich sach mal, a Mac with Final Cut Studio for 5000, 6000 euros is loose nem Media Composer for 15,000, 20,000 euros equal.
Especially as the Mac Pro with its four-core Xeon is pretty cheap s.Hardware s.sich. Comparison times with other PCs.

Last but not least: go to the dealer and look at NEN day Macs to let you all Final Cut Studio Programs show off and play around. And perhaps you will soon own one of the many new;)



Antwort von Hogar:

Media Composer is a must nowadays is no longer synonymous cost 15000.
The software only version without the Avid hardware I have at times quick google found for ¬ 4,700.

Since kommts flat on your processor at. I have a calculator with an AMD 3200 + seen, and since it ran stuff like Picture in Picture or Keyeffekte in real time - and not only in the preview window, but the full PAL resolution. Color Correction went with only half Resolutionin real time. With HD I have not tested.

Because of the speed: At a certain point in the professional handling the differences between the systems are only in the render times or Exportierzeit. Regardless of which system is specialized, the more purely routine, the more quickly will du Sometime it's a physical and psychological speed limit.

You look at what you like, and then decide for yourself.

Hogar



Antwort von R3D:

Thank you - I will test times: D - I have a little fear, which soon made the PC Produktionsmachinerie s.Sachen Quad's will come ... and how the price down .....

-> Do you know a good dealer in the internet for Avid / or FinalCut - Win / Apple systems?



Antwort von Hogar:

And above all - it's not enough that a multi-processor core, that is synonymous Programs need support. As for the Avid looks I do not know ...

Hogar



Antwort von PowerMac:

http://www.dieagenten.de/systeme.htm








Antwort von R3D:

Thanks - but I think I would again help the direct difference between an Avid Mojo SDI solution and a Blackmagic Design card, which promises to solve the same or even more!
Can not FinalCut "MultiCaming"?

"Final Cut, by contrast, has zero MultiCAM abilities"
http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/avid_vs_fcp.html



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"R3D" wrote:
Can not FinalCut "MultiCaming"?

"Final Cut, by contrast, has zero MultiCAM abilities"
http://www.kenstone.net/fcp_homepage/avid_vs_fcp.html


What is clear is Final Cut Pro 5 MultiCAM-compatible. Comparison of the above-linked from the year 2002 and is no longer current.

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von PowerMac:

You find yourself an ancient Comparison from the year 2002 (!) To;)
Since then, Final Cut by 200% and can be improved naturally Multicam.

http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/hd/specs/
The DeckLink HD Pro 4:4:4 PCIe what would be for you. If hardware acceleration, can be used in real-time HD convert to SD and is pretty cheap. The Mac Pro with its four cores and the map corresponds to the locker Mojo, if not much faster ... The Mojo is more likely to cut with notebooks. Among the features is superior to the BMD.



Antwort von PowerMac:

Incidentally, I'm going out of uncompressed HD. So HDCAM (SR). Machst du sowas überhaupt? Or you langt SD? Eg Digibeta? Then gehts synonymous for 500 euros.



Antwort von R3D:

I'm still alive in the year "2002" ^ ^

I work mainly DV, HDV, DVC PRO HD ... but still would like to power and for the future be!



Antwort von PowerMac:

Clear. Then the calculator with BMD-Map to the right place.
But you have to really turn things s.die set and test, test. And by that I mean the Mac OS synonymous. Get all of times someone just try and show themselves off.
And ask other people. Avid editors will tell you all, Avid is the best industry standard and do not get it turn over. Me as a Final Cut Pro-type but say that Final Cut everything in one version can be much cheaper and the future is in Final Cut Pro is located. So decide for yourself



Antwort von Bernd E.:

In the latest Creative Cow Magazine (October 2006) is a brief overview of strengths and weaknesses of Adobe, Avid and Apple to find, read also a worthy contribution "Working with HDV in Final Cut Pro." The magazine can be found here after registering as a pdf to download:

http://forums.creativecow.net/cgi-bin/new_page_wrapper.cgi?forumid=1&page=http://www.creativecow.net/magazine/cowmag_subscribe.html

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von R3D:

Ich hab da ne question again and although it would wait until MACs new operating system out there is a new system to acquire or have access now - that the same applies, of course, synonymous for Vista.

Also what do you think of "AJA cards? I would like to know what the performers, or the most connections to bring ...
- http://www.aja.com/html/products_macintosh_kona.html
- http://blackmagic-design.com/products/hd/

or maybe the Mojo SDI version of Avid:
- http://www.videodata.de/online/frm_avid_mojosdi_schema.htm

Avid is synonymous Quicktime based? Or what is called the "OMF or so ..." what's the difference ...

R3D



Antwort von Hogar:

OMF is OpenMediaFile format. It is unfortunately rarely used anywhere else. I think After Effects and Maya (3D) can handle it.

Meanwhile, however, may be synonymous Avid MXF, which is a format, what with a Sony editing system is compatible ... no idea of how the Sonyheißt.

But what does not work, you is an AVI or MOV simply open it in Avid. You have to import it, it will appear in OMF or MXF changed. If you what to Avid Capture, it will be directly in OMF or MXF saved, because nothing should be changed.

The OMF is both the blessing and the curse on Avid systems, on the one hand, there is no codec format chaos - on the other hand it is only in other formats OMF convert them in to be able to use Avid.

When exporting, it is not quite so bad. I might be a cut in the Avid sequence as a QuickTime reference export. It is then in a short time a small MOV file is written (a kind of link to the OMF files), and every program that QuickTime can, can the sequence from Avid to play. How can the film elsewhere purely load, for example, an MPEG2 its own right.

Whether you are FinalCut or Avid choose: it is synonymous of course depends on whether you have anyone to have to be compatible. I know at least not with the TV Channel FinalCut works. If thou but with companies working together to use FinalCut, I would take FinalCut synonymous.

Hogar








Antwort von PowerMac:

A randomly ordered list, which stopped me:

We use some of Final Cut Channel: ZDF (eg Tour de France, how much EB Nifs for today, reports rarely) very much VOX (DIY formats, animal formats), RTL (Tine Wittler stuff), but synonymous AZ Media, Wige so in the direction of video journalism and reportage, what one sees on RTL evening. Life! The 24-hour documentary. Sowas. N-TV for those Börsenfomrate and everywhere for news. The public law which are rare. WDR has a few Final Cut Pro editing suites. DAF is complete Final Cut Pro
Very many features, such as Docus in ARD, ZDF and ARTE in much synonymous and are 3Sat of external production companies made. As is often the Final Cut Pro. I know lots of people who have their monthly Docus via Final Cut Pro in the ARD show.

At the BBC in London are just some of Final Cut Pro crates around. PulsTV (Pro7 Austria) in Vienna to work only synonymous with Final Cut Pro.
"Verliebt in Berlin" (Sat1) was synonymous to Final Cut Pro geschnitten. And although daily.
This music shows such as "The German top 50 hits", in which C-celebs old songs come from, eg Pro7 are sometimes synonymous with Final Cut Pro made.
And any of these series RTL-20.15, Rita or so synonymous is a Final Cut Pro product.

Located just off that external production companies have no money and still want quality. When an Avid too expensive, you get for under 10,000 euros as equal. And all from a single source of Apple. No wonder that everywhere now synonymous alongside Final Cut Pro Avid MC is offered. Nobody asks what system we have. As long as the quality is right. Countless commercials, which we see every day was with Final Cut Pro, Motion and Shake made. Synonymous If the other 70% tend Smoke, Flame and Avid are.
Radio Bremen has completely converted to FCS, except the crime scene;)
This thread with sources from the German Final Cut Pro Forum:
http://www.finalcutprofi.de/phpboard/viewtopic.php?t=48209
http://www.finalcutprofi.de/phpboard/viewtopic.php?t=38092&highlight=sender
At MTV, I have much synonymous Shake and Final Cut Pro seen.
Update: BTW for those interested: semi MTV is producing with Final Cut and cut. The program execution is synonymous with it. Recording studio to do their broadcasts directly in Final Cut inside.
http://www.apple.com/de/pro/profiles/medialynx/?cid=CDM-EU-1019

DAF, the German television investor uses only Macs with Final Cut Pro. 33 Macs are there and throw everything around. Including 20 iMacs for cutting. Source:
http://www.finalcutprofi.de/phpboard/viewtopic.php?t=49527



Antwort von Hogar:

Oh yes it is not whole lot, I would have never imagined. Since I will probably synonymous times need to deal with. ;)

Hogar



Antwort von Svend5:

Hello!

Even if only director I am, I created on my laptop HD Avid XPRO installed. Since synonymous snippets I very much myself s.meiner role as rum and next. Maybe it's because I am with all my shooting more with Avid had to do, but I think the Avidoberfläche simply better. A few times I had at Cutter synonymous Final Cut cut, which I ultimately no preference, as long as the desired result rauskommt. It is important (to me), especially that Avid is synonymous with the very much in the sound can make you not like Protool (Audio Program) for advice must. At the end probably doing both systems, they must be synonymous yes, want to compete. In my experience, is more in the feature film cut on Avid, advertising synonymous, as I said if we sometimes synonymous to Final Cut Pro cutting. In the U.S. I think they make more in advertising on Final Cut Pro. but that is all rather a "philosophy" question, the usual: Apple or PC. I myself have always had PCs, and can not say that my computer crashed frequently are uncreative or my movies than of the typical Macleuten. Importing AVIs of doing that Final Cut Pro synonymous difficult, is not unlike Avid. MOVs in ikönnen Avid imported .... you see, check it out! At the end it depends on you, because you shall they serve and a good cut only makes the cutter. Why do not you inform synonymous with Adobe Premiere. Ultimately it may be any cheaper synonymous editing program to do, depending on what you want to do (simple cutting or synonymous complex keying, etc.). Good luck!



Antwort von PowerMac:

So first plays in my opinion, a lower category and far less professional. If an ordinary Avid or Final Cut workstation. Sorry s.die Premiere Group.



Antwort von PowerMac:

BTW for those interested: semi MTV is producing with Final Cut and cut. The program execution is synonymous with it. Recording studio to do their broadcasts directly in Final Cut inside.
http://www.apple.com/de/pro/profiles/medialynx/?cid=CDM-EU-1019



Antwort von PowerMac:

Radio Bremen Have re-registered in the unordered list:

http://forum.slashcam.de/viewtopic.php?p=176031 # 176031



Antwort von PowerMac:

DAF re-registered.




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