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Frage von DezorianGuy:
November 2007

Greetings,

wanted to know what filters there are, to a movie, a special look to film (NEN doing grad Short Film). Or is there a 24p hd cam to have in AE and a few colors to avoid?
The days I wanted something for my Canon HV20 for sale go to my shooting a little more luster to give (as always synonymous).

Hope you can send me a few tips.



Antwort von Nacho:

Hello,

with a Nd / Graufilter could you open the aperture, resulting in more depth would help blur. This s.besten in conjunction with the "cell phone trick" of the HV20, so you have the aperture regardless of the shutter can control.

Gruß,

Nacho



Antwort von Cocoa_Magazin:

"Nacho" wrote:
Hello,

with a Nd / Graufilter could you open the aperture, resulting in more depth would help blur. This s.besten in conjunction with the "cell phone trick" of the HV20, so you have the aperture regardless of the shutter can control.

Gruß,

Nacho


Unfortunately, not much good at 1 / 3 inch chip! .- (

Film Look: http://www.cocoa.de/news2/listen/cocoamovie/filmlook/bild_start.htm

look here





Antwort von Schleichmichel:

What did the forums search results?



Antwort von Bruno Peter:

Quote:
special film look


Movies s.besten with a Super8 camera, there's all true film look.
Fim then transfer the video ...



Antwort von scrooge:

Bruno @ Peter:
Super 8 is the best tip, really great! ;-)

@ DezorianGuy:
At the film look, there is much to say and infinitely synonymous to read and to argue. : - \
I think more than statements like "nothing good for 1 chip" and "rotating but Super 8" will help you the following link:
http://www.hackermovies.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=22470

Good luck!

Hartmut



Antwort von Schleichmichel:

To Super8: Hiernot the best footage S8 (Kahl UT18) may be expected. It is in any case better. Only in this way ... perhaps it is indeed a look of.



Antwort von C.I.W:

With video it is not possible to achieve film look. Because help is the best color correction nothing. I will now synonymous shorter projects on Super8 rotate.
With more contrast and saturation rausnehmen make the picture just unnecessarily worse.
Just try with different white balance sheets (greenish, bluish, ..) to change the colors. That looks really sharp out.



Antwort von lugburz:

REAL FEEL CINEMA TOOL



Antwort von C.I.W:

You're very courageous to pronounce the name here.



Antwort von DezorianGuy:

"Anonymous" wrote:
REAL FEEL CINEMA TOOL


Iss since the notorious (bad)?

Besides: Are there any 35mm adapter for my HV20?



Antwort von utan:

The M2 of Redrock is often used with the HV20.



Antwort von Axel:

"DezorianGuy" wrote:
Besides: Are there any 35mm adapter for my HV20?

Hi, Dezo. Yet something made with 24p? Or, now 25?

To your question: Practically every adapter, because all you need adapter rings, special Achromats, ect.pp.

Full gepimpt can look HV 20 Sun:
http://rebelsguide.com/dl/hv20-hh.jpg



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"DezorianGuy" wrote:
"Anonymous" wrote:
REAL FEEL CINEMA TOOL

Iss since the notorious (bad)?

Whether good or bad, it is difficult to assess because it simply does not exist. If you promise that as a joke imaginary promises this "software miracle" no faith to give you must synonymous times on the corresponding thread in the forum through ;-)

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von C.I.W:

[quote = "Axel"] [full gepimpt can hv 20 Sun look like this:
http://rebelsguide.com/dl/hv20-hh.jpg[/quote]

The times I nenn tuning. Is it synonymous with the camera film?



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"CIW" wrote:
Is it synonymous with the camera film?

Oh, a camera is on the Picture synonymous hidden somewhere? ;-)

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von DezorianGuy:

Well, just thought it would be another plugin for premiere;)
Which would be as beneficial for my shorts?

At Cam-Picture:
At last we have a language to speak. So it must appearance;)
What is because everything on it ... 35mm adapter, image stabilizer ...?
Which would be good stabilizer for my Cam?
(Yeah, Christmas is just around the corner, the perfect excuse to buy something)

And of course, some have taken, I'm really happy (if I take this synonymous with blurred movements in 24p can not approve ... but sometime is the corrected synonymous).
Which tool would you recommend me to encode HD material ... I'm lot s.ausprobieren,'m on the gestolpert:

Mkv container
X264 codec
Bitrate 3200 kbps
Resolution 720p (1280x720)
Frames / Sec 23,976

(hab ne NTSCCanonHV20)

Would that make sense? NEN wanted me to buy FULL HD screen (when the transit times would make out), and would thus have just 1080i / p are available (synonymous if not 100%, i know).
Should I get it to 720p runterencodieren, I notice it NEN difference?
Eat the codec in order? Or should I continue to choose mpeg2?

Topic: Microphone
Did the Rode Video Mic purchased before its time.
What is the main thought (is mono, right?)?
Could you possibly record votes as possible to see how to shoot better s.selbige to reach (eg as with a stereo?)?
Using any such MonoMikros for filming?

Sorry for the many questions that
I hope someone has the courage to all of you to make
much success,

Cheers:)



Antwort von Markus:

"Surreptitious Michel" wrote:
What did the forums search results?

You'll find with the word "film look" but currently only 300 posts. And in many of them are the same as it is now synonymous here. sideswipe * *



Antwort von Schleichmichel:

"DezorianGuy" wrote:
Well, just thought it would be another plugin for premiere;)
Which would be as beneficial for my shorts?


It would be advantageous if the images of a priori not much need to be corrected, since the light has been clever. In addition to a reasonable Kadrage, well thoughtful movements and a sense of composition and size should be in setting the Picture Drama synonymous of a narrative (and not just aesthetic, because superficially) logic. This implies that anything is told. If you are not only visually, but synonymous acoustically and through the intersection and told no unnecessary redundancy arises is that as a good craft to call. If even then the story of belang is, the better.

If this is not present, so you use a power-prosthesis, as on the synonymous Picture not much-except that it is totally ridiculous and a pile of money it cost. "

Quote:
At last we have a language to speak. So it must appearance;)


Through the busy again! Keyword "Balzer" ...

Quote:
(synonymous if I blurred at motion in 24p can not approve ... but sometime is the corrected synonymous).


Where is the problem?



Antwort von HighDefinition:

"DezorianGuy" wrote:
And of course, some have taken, I'm really happy (if I take this synonymous with blurred movements in 24p can not approve ... but sometime is the corrected synonymous).


The motion blur is s.der relatively long exposure time of 1 / 24 seconds. Go with the time down to 1 / 48 sec, as is synonymous in the movie is made, and the motion blur is much less significant.

Now you will but remember that in "24p" at the HV20 does not. This is because the recording of "24p" the exposure time to 1 / 24 sec is made. So, now, you should know that the HV20 is not even true 24p recording, but a 1 / 24 sec exposure field notes and the missing lines "dazudeinterlaced". Once you are aware of this, you can safely record in 60i, so that shorter and then expose s.Calculator do what the cam would have made anyway, and although a field away and the other on the full Resolutionaufpumpen.



Antwort von DezorianGuy:

Sorry that I do not always follow, even though I've tried the whole with the 24/25, p and i, 50 and 60 to embrace ...

You mean so that I tend to 60i should include, but then again what the 24p mode void (aesthetic?).
But by the 60i, I have become more images, which produce a liquid Picture ... right?
But then again I have this "documentary / TV" look and not like film NEN ...
or?



Antwort von w4lk:

"Surreptitious Michel" wrote:
It would be advantageous if the images of a priori not much need to be corrected, since the light has been clever.

Carve in stone! With the iron in the fire Stürner shape! Before bedtime 300mal loud and recite every slap-between!
Schleich Michels recipe is still valid, even if more None knows what "movie" was. DAS is the way to the "holy" film look filter, not some confused RealFeelCinemaTool imagination, which, if implemented would be so much to do with FILM would like a coloring book with a Picasso.

"DezorianGuy" wrote:
NEN wanted me to buy FULL HD screen (when the transit times would make out), and would thus have just 1080i / p are available (synonymous if not 100%, i know).


Who wants to think on it ...
Is it because at least one really big display? At 106cm, the even of MM be advertised, you will see no noticeable difference.

"DezorianGuy" wrote:
Should I get it to 720p runterencodieren, I notice it NEN difference?


No! Too little on a large canvas. Optimal would be 720 50p (or 60p in your case) - synonymous if this course - schnüff! - S.Filmlook betrayal is, of course through the charming Jerkiness scores. But that is synonymous again a question of faith (religion: One, mental arithmetic: six).

"DezorianGuy" wrote:
Eat the codec in order? Or should I continue to choose mpeg2?


Original is always better. Theoretically at least, as in X.264 considerably smaller data provides very good quality and as for an HD DVD would be better. But then I would not predict everything in HDV, but for example in the edit Cineform codec. There is a younger synonymous thread (Jerkiness after direct transfer HDV> H.264).

The Picture of the HV20-up can of course help as potency misunderstood. This is the camera with a 35mm adapter is unlikely to better ways to operate (the plus lens adapter must already weigh more than the whole Cam). I say: Why not?



Antwort von DezorianGuy:

Ok, so already in vorhinnein right.
Checked. :)
Purchased (not yet received) I have the Philips 37 "9732, which already iss actually the best of his class, I think.
I've really not so the total perspective, but it must somehow 24p/25p NEN sense ... I mean, these are not too clear / clinical presentation ... oh, I need to halt dran believe firmly, and try: P
Cineform eh? So HD recording with cineform ins. cineform codec convert, edit, and only then with x.264 encode (one can predict the synonymous?, or would be useful?).

Any idea how to ne Steady-Cam-built construction, heard me, that man with his Tripod (balance weight) which can employ.
I just look at ebay, how expensive are so, so .. stabilizers, or do you mean that something does not necessarily buy myself ... but could be ..?



Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:

"Anonymous" wrote:
"DezorianGuy" wrote:
NEN wanted me to buy FULL HD screen (when the transit times would make out), and would thus have just 1080i / p are available (synonymous if not 100%, i know).

Who wants to think on it ...
Is it because at least one really big display? At 106cm, the even of MM be advertised, you will see no noticeable difference.

The difference between a natively output in 1080 or scaled 720 (the direction in which the latter always synonymous) can be seen even in principle, but he is probably very small. Scale means and conversion is rarely without scars from the Picture. FullHD is therefore my opinion a better choice than HD ready.
To display size, there was (here?) Somewhere recently a good essay. The size depends on the viewing distance. For me it came out that my Christmas bonus *) for less than 100 cm diagonal it will go.
BG
Andreas

*) A charitable government salaries last year by nearly 9% cut. Christmas bonus this year comes from the savings trump.



Antwort von w4lk:

"Mark" wrote:
"Surreptitious Michel" wrote:
What did the forums search results?

You'll find with the word "film look" but currently only 300 posts. And in many of them are the same as it is now synonymous here. sideswipe * *


Yeah, I see as synonymous. It is annoying. Each week, the question somehow somewhere.

That is why I am for REAL FEEL CINEMA TOOL antwort.

At best, a virus infected program to download.



Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:

"Anonymous" wrote:

At best, a virus infected program to download.

Because the questions annoy you? Annoying issues I care about to read and not think about how I the questioner as much harm can.
Werd adulthood.



Antwort von w4lk:

And because YOU have not even grown up yet, did it make you useless to speak?



Antwort von w4lk:

"DezorianGuy" wrote:
I've really not so the total perspective, but it must somehow 24p/25p NEN sense ... I mean, these are not too clear / clinical presentation ... oh, I need to halt dran believe firmly, and try: P


No, no, I did not say that thou shalt give the 24p, but that the HV20 can be no real 24p and instead 1 / 24 sec half exposed to extrapolate frames. The same you can of course synonymous with s.Calculator any material interlaceten make. So I would suggest you completely normal to film in 60i and then s.Calculator 24p to make of it, then you will have exactly the same effect as if you directly on the HV20 with 24p recording, except that the exposure time is shorter and thus less motion blur is. In addition, the calculator works clean.

If you have the material then to 720 lines runterrenderst shows an almost sharp picture and the true 24p look of movies (I do this as synonymous). For now, the color contrast and picture from the movie are several tricks to imitate.
In the Cam: Then is the picture of the HV20 slightly oversaturated, I would like on the Kameramenu remove.
Nor would I, if possible, after sharpening the total, which makes the picture unnatural.
In the Post: In general, the Picture of video cameras to green, which must first times out.
Then she just shades of gray and not black on the right, so you need to expand space below (this is Vegas at the filter level, but goes on just as synonymous Curves).
Finally, a warm braunoranger Farbflter drüber of the color film of the analog should imitate.
Everything ehört applied only very subtle, so that one can not at first noticed, but this flavor is still there.

The tips were now just flat character. The best results you'll have to try to achieve eternal.



Antwort von Andreas_Kiel:

"Anonymous" wrote:
And because YOU have not even grown up yet, did it make you useless to speak?

Under the coat of anonymity kläffen is good :-)



Antwort von Axel:

"DezorianGuy" wrote:
... but it must somehow 24p/25p NEN sense ... I mean, these are not too clear / clinical presentation ... oh, I need to halt dran believe firmly, and try: P


"Too Sure / clinically" is a good description of the typical interlaced look, in the future, the typical 50p/60p look is hot. Because FullHD on your device, you will already no longer see half, but still the difference between half and full (or full and double, depending on interpretation) framerate. Even now, it is not a question of faith, you've HV20 in the "i" and "p". Like "p" better if you do on the computer ansiehst? Like "i" better if you have it on the Television ansiehst? This could be your decision criterion (But for computer / web: more "p").

"DezorianGuy" wrote:
Cineform eh? So HD recording with cineform ins. cineform codec convert, edit, and only then with x.264 encode (one can predict the synonymous?, or would be useful?).


Why do you want to convert at all? What is the output medium / goal? If it is - like your search or your camera, with the original HDV cope, it would perhaps be better to leave it so. And if you with X.264 from HDV satisfied until, that is if you do not block formation and no bucking occur, so you need not synonymous intermediate codec.

"DezorianGuy" wrote:
but ... .. could make myself?


Among stabilizers: Pack the Camera on Tripod, then pack it s.den spread legs (which, by this formulation excited, I begrudge the moment) and trying to present a still-picture display to be achieved. That is much easier than with the cam, right? Higher weight in terms of stabilization is at least half the battle.



Antwort von DezorianGuy:

So the general advice would be that I am away from the camera's internal 24p mode and go with normal 50/60fps HD material, then later (eg with premiere?) In 24p converter, and then encode into x.264.
Is it generally better in the post-production with: the raw data, the MT2 data, or data cineform to work?
And after the treatment (in order to compress them so they fit on dvd, at the moment are my 20 shots per 20-30GB in size, in cineform codec) do I convert them into x.264 ... right?
Or can I use the images directly into x.264 of cam on the PC game?



Antwort von Axel:

"DezorianGuy" wrote:
So the general advice would be that I am away from the camera's internal 24p mode and go with normal 50/60fps HD material, then later (eg with premiere?) In 24p converter, and then encode into x.264.

"Guest" seems to have experience, but what he says sounds logical. You seem to bypass the default Shutterzeit of 1/24tel, in fact, movements can be rather dirty. For 48tel always 24p, 25p for 1/50tel always, otherwise you are always an unnatural effect.
"DezorianGuy" wrote:
Is it generally better in the post-production with: the raw data, the MT2 data, or data cineform to work?
And after the treatment (in order to compress them so they fit on dvd, at the moment are my 20 shots per 20-30GB in size, in cineform codec) do I convert them into x.264 ... right?

Right. The stronger a codec is compressed, the more artifacts behind after processing.
"DezorianGuy" wrote:
Or can I use the images directly into x.264 of cam on the PC game?

No.. That would be stupid synonymous. H.264 is even more compressed than HDV, so synonymous worse for color, etc.



Antwort von DezorianGuy:

Very nice, I've learned a lot again.
At the risk of making a fool of myself ... I still wonder:

1.)
How do I set the Shutterzeit Ein?
I have read the instructions and get values of 1000, 200, 300 .. (as far as I can remember), but somehow not 50, or 48th ..
Or I talk grad of what others (as is synonymous Picture darkens when I s.den values rumdrehe).

2.)
Ok, now this is boring for you, but I have in various threads about what UV-Filters/Polfilter read, because I wanted to buy some s.accessories for my HV20.
I have already "Raynox0.66x converter fetched, I'm really happy (except from the shadow occurs when the sun shines).
What happens now with the UVFilter, it fits on my converter, or heard it at him? ... What size do I need (für nen ring mount?).
And if I get a lens hood will fit on my converter ... what then?
(what a chaos ...)

Thanks again for helpful replies to my amateur questions:)




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