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HDV-Schnitt mit Pinnacle und AMD

HDV editing with Pinnacle and AMD



Frage von Gerold111:
Juni 2007

Hi folks,

I was lucky enough get to film with HDV (FX1).

I now have the material with Pinnacle Studio 10.7 is imported. But in the post / editing, I was really surprise how slow Pinnacle Studio works: the transitions are rendered only if I do nothing! And synonymous rendering s.Schluß lasts forever ...

I have an AMD X2 3800 + dual core CPU, 2 GB RAM, MSI 7900 GTO, ...
This system should really be enough for HDV editing.

In the normal DV editing everything runs great!

I'm playing now with the thought myself a second computer to make with this Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo 6420 2.13 GHz, FSB1066

Now my question: Is this much better wirlich processor for DV editing, or the rendering work and only slightly improved / faster.

Or did you hints, as I my current system fitter and faster to do HDV?

Thank you!



Antwort von iotatau:

Hello,
"Gerold111" wrote:
Now my question: Is this really much better processor for DV editing, or the rendering work and only slightly improved / faster.
The calculator s.sich would be faster, but not at the magnitude that there is a significant shortening of the time there. The profit would be more of a secondary computer in peace alongside expected to leave the old calculator and more effectively.

"Gerold111" wrote:
Or did you hints, as I my current system fitter and faster to do HDV?
Recently, I have a HV20. Yesterday I took the first clip. I left when rendering with high quality, but only to 720p expected. For 5 min sample movies took my AMD X2 4200 + 15 min time. I fear that fans of HD-quality must be for the foreseeable future for their passion with a lot of CPU time to pay. Perhaps achieve quad-core systems, the pace s.das you are accustomed to SD, there is the first quad-core Calculator below ¬ 2000 ...



Antwort von Udo Schröer:

Hi Gerold,
The reason for this lies in the GOP Group Of Pictures.

So far you have IR cut heirbei every single picture has been compressed. A cut can always be made s.jeder body. You delete parts of the film will only halt the intervening images removed.

For HDV, it is different, only the first picture in a GOP is full, subsequent images contain only the changes until the next frame (i called frames). You cut in the middle of a GOP, the software s.dieser body frames (frame i) Recalculate. And for every cut. Therefore, it is synonymous with visors, etc. very intensely reckon.








Antwort von scream:

I have "only" a Pentium D 805 (2x2, 9GHz), also 2GB Ram and a 7900GS graphics card .. No problems with HDV material and PP 2.0 .. Test times with it.

Your calculator is fast enough for HDV editing and it looks like the software (=> Pinnacle) was the whole ausbremsen ..

Many greetings,
Karol



Antwort von WoWu:

"I fear, lovers of HD quality must be for the foreseeable future for their passion with a lot of CPU time to pay."

If you have these statements would have made for AVCHD, then they would currently vote. But it did not. HDV can now cut as DV



Antwort von Udo Schröer:

"Anonymous" wrote:
"I fear, lovers of HD quality must be for the foreseeable future for their passion with a lot of CPU time to pay."

If you have these statements would have made for AVCHD, then they would currently vote. But it did not. HDV can now cut as DV


That is not right!
HDV editing programs can be cut without question that the new i Berechnug frames must be done. And this takes time. And here was indeed a period when rendering!



Antwort von WoWu:

Edius, Vegas and LE can be synonymous without Vorschaurendern Alphablending and complex color preview in real time to deliver.
Sagt mal, seifdihr of yesterday in discussions with your Slashcam?



Antwort von Udo Schröer:

"Anonymous" wrote:
Edius, Vegas and LE can be synonymous without Vorschaurendern Alphablending and complex color preview in real time to deliver.
Sagt mal, seifdihr of yesterday in discussions with your Slashcam?


You talk s.Thema over,
Here was the question why it takes significantly longer with HDV material, and as I said! Also your calculator has the real-time preview of things to calculate, nice if your calculator that can quickly enough.

This is for a quick calculator is not None has yet been questioned.



Antwort von WoWu:

You cut in the middle of a GOP, the software s.dieser body frames (frame i) Recalculate. And for every cut. Therefore, it is synonymous with visors, etc. very intensely reckon.

It now takes no longer than once in DV.
Schade, your discussion would be appropriate for AVCHD to HDV, it is completely nonsense now



Antwort von Udo Schröer:

First you should register yourself and secondly to make smart!

http://www.radonmaster.de/robernd/tMPEG.html



Antwort von scream:

Hello "Guest" (who always synonymous du bist;)),

Quote:

your discussion would be appropriate for AVCHD


Not necessarily - while unhemlich Vegas with me slowly with the HDV material works (really, so much coffee I can drink garnicht), at PP's absolutely no problems.

Software Moderate 'dual core' support perhaps?



Antwort von iotatau:

"Anonymous" wrote:
"I fear, lovers of HD quality must be for the foreseeable future for their passion with a lot of CPU time to pay."

If you have these statements would have made for AVCHD, then they would currently vote. But it did not. HDV can now cut as DV

My remark did not relate to the cut, but on the rendering, admittedly not quite the topic of the OP. HDV cutting in Magix Video Deluxe 2007 is no problem to me synonymous with a computer configuration, with that of the OP is comparable.

But given this comment, the question - has anyone bothered to look at the quality and speed of HD rendering with current programs / codecs to compare, there is one in a magazine article or a digital video site?








Antwort von Udo Schröer:

@ iotatau
Since you HDV1 with 720p work, but you should know that your GOP significantly shorter as the HDV2 according to a video with 720p naturally calculate synonymous faster.



Antwort von wolfgang:

So in my experience is better HDV1 cut-and renderbar slightly faster than HDV2. Whether with the shorter GOPs together hanging out but I have some doubts. Rather that HDV1 course, but the number of pixels is much lower than in HDV2 - and then synonymous with the fact that 720p content at synonymous progressive material available. For a 720 50p JVC HD200 would be the argument with the shorter GOPs do not apply anymore, which has extended to the JVC 50p realize them.

Otherwise the discussion is rather bizarre and even mix some up. Clearly, high-resolution material, with the almost 4-times the pixel count of SD, longer rendering times and have an intra-versus inter-frame compression frame. Benchmarking makes as little sense.

That is not to be confused with the ability of today's cutting programs, the material is similar to well-cut, like the earlier stop only with DV was possible, with similar capabilities to preview the PCs, whether in Edius, Vegas or Adobe Premiere, which is now all the material fast enough to decode.

Conclusion: who is the approximately 4-fold pixel number / Picture Cut, edit, and render you need for this course, the necessary computing power - and designed for NLE editing systems. Both are easily available today.

Scream if your statement on the rendering has received - Vegas supports up to 4 cores, which have not yet APP can, as far as I know. Or my you cut yourself?



Antwort von scream:

"wolfgang" wrote:

Scream if your statement on the rendering has received - Vegas supports up to 4 cores, which have not yet APP can, as far as I know. Or my you cut yourself?


Hello Wolfgang,

I cut my own If I as a few scenes in Vegas or PP had imported and just out and her scroll Vegas does not want to come back .. When PP is done the whole "Live" at Vegas takes (really) 'ne to the bar while my mouse down.

Many greetings,
Karol



Antwort von WoWu:

Hmm, how are you doing exactly? Have you ever watched the cursor with the mouse "packed" and out-and her mileage? As is with me practically no dead time, the NLE response (on a 3.2 Ghz P4, that is rather an old box).




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