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Magix VDL 15 Plus, AVCHD 19xx50i Ausgabe - wie geht das?

Magix VDL 15 Pros, AVCHD 19xx50i issue - how does it work?



Frage von Sternschnuppe:
Oktober 2008

Hello!
I want to use the AVCHD M2TS files (19xx50i) from my Canon HF100 and natively edit the results in the same format. Previously I was with the supplied Image Mixer made synonymous what has worked.

Unfortunately, the Image Mixer little editing possibilities. Therefore I VDL 15 Pros views. Cut and edit so that I can, but how can I output the result?

Magix announces so loudly that native AVCHD editing and output is possible, the question is how?

- If I go on to create BlueRay is forcibly converted to MPEG2 and make the material (amount of data) and artificially inflated verschlimmbessert.
- If I go to export movie and AVC choose, I get AVCHD 19xx25p in MP4 container and thus the "25 Hz Jerkiness" as a free gift of Fa Magix.

But I would not be forced to convert to MPEG2, I still wish of 50i after 25p. VDL 15 Pros Can the material is not simply leave it as is?

Have I overlooked something, or can I use the program in the garbage can join?

Thank you very much for info.

Shooting Star Greeting



Antwort von geschi:

Hello
An output to AVCHD Magix there is none.
BluRay is Magix MPEG2.
Maybe tell us what you with your video you want to do?
On the PC, then WMV, BluRay then s.LCD.
Magix says FullHD AVCHD editing and output, but not AVCHD, which is not written.
Gruss



Antwort von Sternschnuppe:

Hello geschi,
Thank you for your reply. I agree with the fact that I have done nothing wrong and that it really does not work.

As you come to the view that this feature is not to be me, however, is unclear. Magix but claimed:

Citation
NEW!
Native AVCHD editing
AVCHD recordings without recalculation import and edit

This suggests to me that my material really can handle natively. What does this all because if the native processing only in the RAM of the computer and I may be unable bin, the result synonymous to save?

What would you think of a car dealer hold, thus advertises that the new model now 150 hp instead of 100 hp and has You must note that although such an engine is installed, liacaro the car did not drive?
Of course, one can then say that the dealer so that no advertising has made that a synonymous power to the wheels occurs. Why should the car so can drive?

I would rather just call fraud! Maybe you'll find that a nice word. Since everyone likes his own opinion. I come to the conclusion:

Steer clear of Magix! Steer clear of Magix! Steer clear of Magix!








Antwort von WoWu:

@ Star

Maybe even a brief comment:
An AVC output in progressive must not lead to the complaint jerks.
Depending on how the codec used by the manufacturer, it offers as opposed to older codecs that only the adaptive semi-and full-use practices, the AVC is available in half-or full-coding on macroblock basis and there are only the parts of the image encoded in I which are needed for other parts of the image, which results in P better be synonymous coded.
Time, quite apart from the fact that the motion estimation anyway with an accuracy of 1 / 4 pixels in AVC is already and therefore much less of flick.
Now I know not whether to implement such tools your camera has already taken into account, but of the original "i" and "p" Think you can adopt at AVC slowly.

Edit:
short demand ... have you tried the camera out of bounds?



Antwort von geschi:

"WoWu" wrote:

short demand ... have you tried the camera out of bounds?

Well, how is the only function?



Antwort von Sternschnuppe:

"WoWu" wrote:
@ Star

Maybe even a brief comment:
An AVC output in progressive must not lead to the complaint jerks.

Now I know not whether to implement such tools your camera has already taken into account, but of the original "i" and "p" Think you can adopt at AVC slowly.


Sorry Wolfgang, I do that quite a different view had. A horizontal swing 50i looks quite different than 25p. If someone close s.der Lens under it (the market scene, etc.) then this looks totally different in 50i, as in 25p. It requires no trained eye. That looks synonymous Lizzie Muller at first sight and that has with AVC or MPEG encoding is not the slightest to do!



Antwort von WoWu:

@ Star

It has also yet to do ... because in certain parts of the AVC interlaced image and other parts of the same image can be progressively encoded.
You must yourself with the new codecs of the slightly old-fashioned MPEG-solving thinking.
Likewise, as a finer resolution of the new movement process per se is already moving to a better reproduction leads.
Also are you in the "pleasure" of the "i" anyway only to CRT monitors by taking advantage of the luminescent properties of phosphorus .... on men to produce a flat rather Effects order.

@ Geschi

As you from your NLE to the camera recorder is used as ... how else would probably work?



Antwort von motiongroup:

Hello Doctor not evil slowly wirds fiction to believe that these techniques, first in the camcorder via the DSP have been integrated in the second, MC encoder of VDL would get their attention ...

On the other hand, I know at the moment NO software discussed price of material from AVCHD AVCHD material creates the equivalent grade synonymous, I write in response to the parallel issue of the asker posted here. In all the forums Manufacturer Criticize the user the quality of output as AVCHD material.

On Geschis question ... Dr what AVCHD camcorder they know they can use as a recorder ... I can not be all up as a drive via USB, I correctly identified me only Sonyhat times had the opportunity AVCHD camcorder Conformal directory and file structure to create comical with Partial results ...



Antwort von geschi:

"WoWu" wrote:

As you from your NLE to the camera recorder is used as ... how else would probably work?

Na Cam and what should only be able?
In this reply, I am already excited.



Antwort von wolfgang:

"motion group" wrote:

On the other hand, I know at the moment NO software discussed price of material from AVCHD AVCHD material creates the equivalent grade synonymous, I write in response to the parallel issue of the asker posted here. In all the forums Manufacturer Criticize the user the quality of output as AVCHD material.


Interestingly, the SonyAVC encoder, which is synonymous in the relatively cheap Vegas Movie Studio 9 Platinum gets, not too far away from the source material. Unfortunately we have with the software or other topics on English Vista and Quad. But with the quality of the mpeg2 encoder are included in this software than equal to true.

And this is obviously not to other software, the Enwicklungsstand of AVC Encoder software can and must of course be even better.



Antwort von WoWu:

@ Motion group

Quote:
Slowly wirds Fiction ...

I can only recommend looking into the matter with (H.264/AVC) to employ and not just information from magazines to buy,
I agree that it is a question of implementation of the codec is good and of course, implementations differ.
DICAS makes eg
Quality has now once more its price.
It is so synonymous firms, as the DCT Fixpoint procedure implement only their software faster. If you are of course those companies back to attack, your comment surprised me, however, does not.

Furthermore, I have only the thread starter asked if he times it has tried to exert Camera.
You've even examples where this was feasible. If synonymous without success .. So why should the companies not in others with more success fold? Only because of it when you called the company went wrong, it must be synonymous not necessarily mean that other companies can not ... try's times with a Samsung ...
The Abstraction Layer to use today is finally no longer a secret and file structure of the target media to adapt, perhaps not all companies succeed, but perhaps not synonymous all users to read it.

@ Wolfgang
Fully aware that the software encoder still glaring need to catch up, although I now no longer really believe that they are not synonymous the way the hardware support will go.
My approach is as synonymous in the direction of NLE + GPU as it is currently ADOBE already makes and presumably Apple synonymous soon.
Expected in the next week (if the transport work, which is not always so reliable) I get the combination of the USA and am anxious times.



Antwort von Sternschnuppe:

@ WoWu
"An edition in progressive AVC must not lead to the complaint jerks.
Depending on how the codec used by the manufacturer ...."

"It just has to do with it ... because in certain parts of the AVC interlaced image and other parts of the same image can be progressively encoded.
You must yourself with the new codecs of the slightly old-fashioned MPEG-solving thinking. "

The practice says something completely different!

Have now once the raw material (50i) with the Image Mixer cut and saved the result and the same material with Magix natively cut and saved as AVCHD.

Result:
When it beibt image mixer 50i and the result is unnecessary when playing in the movements as in 50i usual.
Magix When it is 25p and in the play, I see the 25 Hz Jerkiness, as usual 25p.

And it should s.Codec lie?

Ultimately, it is synonymous Whether Magix Schei .. , or whether the codec used Scheiwiller .. is. On this result will change nothing and s.meiner think not synonymous.

Steer clear of Magix! Steer clear of Magix! Steer clear of Magix!

@ motion group
"Secondly, I know at the moment NO software discussed price of material from AVCHD AVCHD material created equal goodness ......"

Yes - I will like to believe. I had not claimed a reduced quality, but really only the 25 Hz Jerkiness.








Antwort von motiongroup:

I understand your anger but it is a matter of configuration of VDL
VDL has particularly through the acquisition of the MC at encoder modules including the purchase of a lot of work Brennroutienen history match ..

In your first letter, the Magix Native processing of the AVC Mateiral included in the output AVC provides ...

I will not stress you but lying there in error as it happens many Querleser ... It is unfortunately not on the timeline YES NO output.

Your attempt as AVC material issue is simple s.der proper setting of the setup for the AVC failed to solve your problem would be 25p .. But what still happens is that the results of adding the absolute encoder are Schmarn.

Hr. WOWU than Fiction, I mean the wishful thinking of what would be possible, according to specs and what the developers of the products available.




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