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Sony HDR-SR11 und HDR-SR12

SonyHDR-SR11 and HDR-SR12



Newsmeldung von slashCAM:
April 2008

Test: SonyHDR-SR11 and HDR-SR12 of rudi - 11 Apr 2008 22:41:00
> With the Sony SR-11/12 sends His third-generation AVCHD camcorder into the race. A new CMOS sensor and a new signal processor will finally be connected to create a Canon. Whether this succeeds?




Antwort von stepa:

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Antwort von Quadruplex:

"STEPA" wrote:
Nevertheless, it can not be that camcorders are much older (I just leave my video from last year, made with a Panasonic 75 (miniDV), in Lowlight better results than, for example, the oh-so-super new HD generation. In HD I understand something else.

One is the resolution (ie number of pixels) of the chip - which is when you SonyHD. The noise or the MAUE Picture in low light has only s.Rande what with HD or SD to be done - primarily depends of the chip's size and the optics from. There is, unfortunately, been synonymous with SD (and synonymous with digital cameras) of the trend: more and smaller chips - thus, the chip is even cheaper, at the same time you can with the smaller, lighter lenses work and so that either the small camcorder or increase the zoom factor ( and of course, synonymous to save money).
"STEPA" wrote:
but come here by no means synonymous or s.Bluray Premiere HD and that should be approached at least according to my understanding, with a Full HD Camera saying.

Since you're really on the boardwalk. Firstly, between a 1,000-euro and a 20,000-euro-HD-camera per se, a qualitative difference. And if you with 'nem as part of professional films, like it's made as an amateur, it's not that substantial of your Sony recordings differ. Professionals use a lot of time and money on scenery, lighting and mask. See synonymous
this contribution.







Antwort von Jan:

Well, yes I confirm that the testers here.

Have seen similar to the Camera (when it was released) - I actually had more of the new technology hoped for - but you can not have everything stop. For the next generation might.

VG
Jan



Antwort von stepa:

In order to understand not misunderstand me. I am well aware that a man of 1000, - Cam, not the same quality as one of 20000th - Euro Cam expect.

Nevertheless, it is true that in relation to the camcorder, especially in older Lowlight area, rather than progress, as you would expect really, unfortunately, more setbacks to date.

But in order to stay at SR11.

This camcorder can safely buy because it is the moment in this class that represents nonplus Ultra. The Canon HF10/100 mag, as I said yes even be a bit sharper (if at all noticeable). In view of the fact that they are not as viewfinders has disqualified itself is unfortunately itself synonymous Otherwise I would have preferred to wait on this, but so. And the first test reports from the U.S., the Canon rather "modest" Lowlight properties are attributed.

To view and taking into account all "and again for" points, you can Sonyauf any case of a buy recommendation.



Antwort von Alexo:

Hello

So I find it very interesting that the SR11/12 so-good Lowlight properties. They seem so synonymous probably better than the previous models (SR7, SR8, ...) to be, although the new smaller chip area for more pixels possess. Now I wonder how the engineers have succeeded in your? Is the only software (see Noise) requires or could synonymous increasing the fill factor (reduction of the signal on the chip) the reason? I would suspect both yes ...

Alexo



Antwort von stepa:

So "good" Lowlight properties, I would not exactly say, but only that they are in relation to the other camcorders are better and the Sony To the best compromise.

At a scale of Grade 1-6, I would Sonyin of this point give a 3.

One thing I really think (others may see it differently) is that the Sonyeinen, simply by slider Undeliverable "Night Mode" is.
You can use that, thanks to infrared even when filming almost complete darkness, and then only in a single color (green). This is well known of night vision devices.

The setting is very useful to s.and and still delivers an amazing result.



Antwort von Alexo:

The "good" is so synonymous referring only to the class of 1000 ¬ HD camcorder, which is synonymous to predict based on the specifications was to be expected ...

But what still would be interesting is whether with the help of the hybrid mode, a backup of the festival on the Memory Stick can perform? Has ever tried jmd?



Antwort von stepa:

"Alexo" wrote:
The "good" is so synonymous referring only to the class of 1000 ¬ HD camcorder, which is synonymous to predict based on the specifications was to be expected ...

But what still would be interesting is whether with the help of the hybrid mode, a backup of the festival on the Memory Stick can perform? Has ever tried jmd?


Unfortunately, I have my card yet (ordered). I think, though have read that this can be done. But what does not work is that you can not simultaneously in HD and stick can hold. But the "Hüber" and "turnip" should actually work.



Antwort von Alexo:

"STEPA" wrote:
But the "Hüber" and "turnip" should actually work.


That would be awesome of course, because that would get in the event of a hard "crash" a valuable backup, at least for the portion of the images that you previously copied over. Not bad! Maybe you can if your "stick" as is, now post your experience ...

And because of the Lowlight times I'm curious if "Viedeoaktiv" Cam the first test pictures reingestellt be. Then we introduced an accurate comparison to the "rest" and may be a good objective impression ...



Antwort von stepa:

Once the part is there, I will try and comment



Antwort von coolsurfing:

Has the SR12 preset really a sport? because I made the SR11 so far searched in vain?

Greeting

Coolsurfing








Antwort von Jan:

Ne Beach is I think the motive related program at the SR 11 & 12

The rüberkopieren I had ever written here.

One can of hard drive (HD and SD (standard definition)) material to the Memory Stick Pro Duo drag, but not vice versa. Where to find the menu = Home (above) - Misc. - Film dubbing.

VG
Jan



Antwort von stepa:

One point which I consider as negative is that if you zoom Micro On "is, it is after some time again to" Off "is.

I must, however, exactly the instructions read as if this is correct. Otherwise it would be no more beautiful train of Sony, when you have long nose, the settings would have to renew.

I am reporting next!



Antwort von stepa:

So now I was able to operate with memory testing.

As expected, this works very well.

Unfortunately it's only the clips of the HD copy on the memory card, but not the other way.

Otherwise very good picture results, even at LP setting. To come close to 3 hours of HD video on an 8 GB card. (5MB / s)

In the highest resolution, fit less than an hour Full HD drauf. If the memory sticks were not so expensive, it could be of real alternatives to SD cards speak.



Antwort von Bruno Peter:

The ISO test image can be seen in the circular lines Moirebildung strong. No Camera for me. The Canon HF10/HF100 is much better!



Antwort von stepa:

"Bruno Peter" wrote:
The ISO test image can be seen in the circular lines Moirebildung strong. No Camera for me. The Canon HF10/HF100 is much better!


Merwürdig. If s.anderer body even turn the other claims.

How was the synonymous. I had the HG10, which, in principle, the same picture quality as the HF10/100 and have enjoyed my photographs, with which the Sonyverglichen. One can see only a difference if one wants to recognize him synonymous ;-)

I would now just say that the Canon Sonyist equal.



Antwort von Jan:

Sorry, the HG 10 has no chance against the HF 10 & 100th Yes HG 10 and SR 11 & 12 are good cameras, at the HF 100, there was for me but the familiar "aha" effect - a very good Full HD Television & screen but is assumed.

I've seen and so synonymous Slashcam (others will follow ..)

Even Camcorder Info looks as (if not synonymous as clearly as I or Slashcam), but there was only the U.S. model tested (which is already longer there) - perhaps gabs for the Europe release a few more changes. Here are the exact ratings of camcorders Info:

Canon-Vixia-HF10 camcorder review

Canon HG10 Camcorder Review

I've got at least every 4 s.TV even seen.

Well let's ....

VG
Jan



Antwort von stepa:

My uncle came yesterday from the USA back where he could test the HF100. He only wanted to bring (top price), but it makes for NTSC because it makes little sense.

The seller had it for a SonySR11 (like mine), the Canon HF100 and a Panasonic HS9 try. The result was shown on a 46 Inch Full HD of, I think Sony or Panasonic.

He told me that the HF100 had a brilliant result, which at a closer look but not "overwhelmingly" for the SR11 to be assessed.

The Canon would be a sharper track. This would really only at the Comparison of both your camcorder and juxtaposed to 2 TVs to see (as there was the case).

That would be the Canon but Lowlight turn more rushing than the Sony. The Panasonic would be with the other two camcorders are not comparable, because they will lose in all disciplines. Rather, a true "Spaßcam" you can have it anywhere.

In his opinion, he would so act. For people who have a lot of filming in daylight, the Canon is likely at the moment the A and O's.

But who makes this but synonymous and one for the Cam Lowlightbereich needs would be better with the Sonyetwas served.

And if you have a super small and light cam have it you should take to Panasonic.

The Canon would be for him at Purchase in the U.S., by the significantly lower price (just under $ 900, compared to $ 1100 for the SR11) more attractive, especially because he is synonymous only in daylight filming.

But one should still be interesting. The so-much-vaunted Aha Effect, came in the Canon Sonywie, only in connection to a HDMI cable with gold coating (about 50-100 euro). The Picture would allegedly in contrast to the normal HDMI cable in any case visible. Whether this is so, I want to test themselves.



Antwort von schorsemoppel:

Just wanted to note: In obigenBericht for me it sounded as if one could control the Cam-function only over the touch screen menu others. Much better is the possibility that Cam Control_button 2-3 seconds and press the function. This is much faster than touch-screen and is perfectly feasible, although this navigation joystick Canons 2-3 seconds faster!



Antwort von stepa:

Now is synonymous Comparison of the Canon HF10 (Slashcam here) before.

Accordingly, the Canon still Quentchen more sharpness than the Sony, what with moving pictures but hardly likely to be visible.

However, some serious shortcomings synonymous and it is not even the lack of viewfinders meant. (It's best to read).

It is just as I had already suspected. The Sony offers just more for your money. However, if you value that specifies synonymous nor the last from the Cam in image quality to get (as I said, in practice it is not really visible), which should get the Canon.

It is a fact. In 1000, - Euro class, there are actually only 2 camcorder in the front row to play. The SonySR11/12 and the Canon HF10/100.

So long ;-)








Antwort von schorsemoppel:

Quote:
However, some serious shortcomings synonymous and it is not even the lack of viewfinders meant.


In my eyes, the Sony offers two serious shortcomings: No audio level display / control any AV and TV modes. I have not even something like a sports program for fast movements found



Antwort von stepa:

But it must be said that the automatic audio control but is quite good.

Any compromise must always be.

This is then split into 2 camps. Some will say I put more emphasis on a better viewfinders and LCD screen and the others who prefer a manual audio control, etc. want.

If all the times we are honest, then you have to admit that the manufacturer is currently developing s.User pass.

The saying is, either you take it now or leave it. So it is sometimes.



Antwort von schorsemoppel:

Quote:
If all the times we are honest, then you have to admit that the manufacturer is currently developing over s.User


Otherwise it would be difficult to explain why I have had since January break the head, whether I Sr11 or HF100 take, but lately I tend to the latter, but every time I see again the SR11 and its display, the super design, spot - focus, smooth slow record, oh herrje ...
And the sun will be Canon's biggest friend and enemy at the same time ... even though the Sony viewfinder in my opinion, synonymous only in extreme emergencies to be used. What a downgrading ...

Since I have few years in the store with a Panasonic miniDV camera with manual focus and zoom ring and easier Tonaussteuerung have played, I made no camera without this feature more to buy ...



Antwort von Jan:

Yes, the SR 11 & 12 display has more than succeeded - I must acknowledge.

VG
Jan



Antwort von Martin:

"STEPA" wrote:
But one should still be interesting. The so-much-vaunted Aha Effect, came in the Canon Sonywie, only in connection to a HDMI cable with gold coating (about 50-100 euro). The Picture would allegedly in contrast to the normal HDMI cable in any case visible. Whether this is so, I want to test themselves.


This statement realativiert the actually quite interesting (indirect, third-hand) Comparative test for me totally. As long as nobody can explain to me based on what physical effect in a digital image data, the change is, for me the statement nonsense. Thus it is likely that the synonymous for restilchen statements applies.

Greeting
Martin



Antwort von Asta:

I can only emphasize synonymous. One reads so much in this context. Gold plated cables, extra tapes, etc. mainly digital, hauptsache expensive.
An analog singal is opposite the smaller and larger tolerances in the recording on tape wesentlch actually more sensitive than a digital signal that contains 1 and 0 and is thus less wessentluch states as an "infinite" resolution analog signal.

The fact that the other cable, ie not coated gold was eventually broken, is another possibility.

Greetings!
Jürgen



Antwort von Markus:

It is true that digital data are usually less sensitive than analog signals. However, the data density is next to, what with longer transmission paths can lead to the crowded ones and zeros due to physical effects "smear" and no longer can be accurately reproduced. The result is then Picture and Tonfehler.

Unfortunately, it is due to the reasons mentioned already become difficult, a good product of a "just expensive" to distinguish, without it a try. And well-known products, which I trust would cost in the case of almost ¬ 2 HDMI - Cable per decimetre!



Antwort von stepa:

"Martin" wrote:
"STEPA" wrote:
But one should still be interesting. The so-much-vaunted Aha Effect, came in the Canon Sonywie, only in connection to a HDMI cable with gold coating (about 50-100 euro). The Picture would allegedly in contrast to the normal HDMI cable in any case visible. Whether this is so, I want to test themselves.


This statement realativiert the actually quite interesting (indirect, third-hand) Comparative test for me totally. As long as nobody can explain to me based on what physical effect in a digital image data, the change is, for me the statement nonsense. Thus it is likely that the synonymous for restilchen statements applies.

Greeting
Martin


This is of course only my opinion and it can really be synonymous, that the other cables had a defect. Nevertheless, I imagine myself to be that the gold contacts with a better image quality. Is of course subjective. The man accuses me but now, this statement would be nonsense and the likelihood would be great that this is synonymous to the other statements would apply, I find, however, already a strong piece.

This is my personal experience and of course, the other person can not see it. Therefore, we can remain fairly synonymous or ;-)



Antwort von stepa:

Some time ago, I once read an article in the video read. There were various cable tested.

The result was only the gold-coated cable, had the best signal quality.

Under normal circumstances, I only synonymous but normal cables, which are not equal to cost a small fortune.

On the one Page synonymous but we must not forget that yes sauteure HD equipment purchases, for example, where the Television alone has a small fortune has cost. Then Blu-ray player, etc. Great HD video camera (1000, - Euro is finally damned much money), but then a cable for 5th - euro from the DIY store.

That would be the same as when I look for 100000 euro to buy a great Porsche, but then the cheapest tires Retreaded or maybe even used it make.

So who much money for a camcorder can output, which must then s.Kabel not necessarily save money.

And now back to the times SR11.

Unfortunately, it is still so that the SR11 when it is turned off, the setting for the zoom Micro, always "from" is. So I must be every time again.

Until now I have found nothing yet synonymous how this possibly could change. That is, however, already rotten. Well, the Canon has not yet sowas times, let its 5.1 sound (which now has been extensively tested and I can say is very good)








Antwort von Jan:

A built in wind filter - so-Windcut have all Sony's (although many users do not know).

The Zoommikrofon (as well, Sony has at Panasonic abgeschaut) since 2008 is now getting - I have not tested it - look where time is.

Steba - but you're very SonyPro set - but not bad.

I filme yes - if I have time - almost synonymous with Sony.

Canon's hype last year here has been fierce. If Google enters Canon HF 10 - then there are two threads of here on the first Page (right after Canon. Com) - so you can a CameraLink synonymous "push".

But I must say - I'm not an avid Canon DM XM 2 & XL 1 Filmer been - but the HF 10 & 100 are two exceptional cameras - yes with little weaknesses like the lack-viewfinders.

VG
Jan



Antwort von stepa:

Well, per Sonyeigentlich not because I actually rather the Canon HF10 had envisaged.

But it is nunmal so that, for me, 3 points are very important.

1. Viewfinder
2. Zoom Microfinance
3. Lowlight

And in these 3 score, I find the Sony Very good.

If this is the Canon had, I would Sony have not yet times, but so.

Do not forget, I had the Canon HG10. Very good picture quality, but the sound ... then only the 40 GB hard drive, etc. That was then but nothing for me.

When I first had HF10/100 the hope that it includes these points. Unfortunately puff pastry.

But with the SonySR11 I have a very good camera, which is also still synonymous with almost complete darkness film can. (black & white with greenish tint, like the night in Big Brother ;-)

All this has its advantages and disadvantages, of course, still others for other priorities for me are negligible.



Antwort von wolfgang:

I do not quite believe that both the SR11/12 or synonymous, the HF10 is a special good-behavior lowlight - sowas gibts actually s.zirka 3000 Euro appliances. Must hold each decide for themselves whether it is enough, what with the relatively small chips for these products is possible.



Antwort von stepa:

"wolfgang" wrote:
I do not quite believe that both the SR11/12 or synonymous, the HF10 is a special good-behavior lowlight - sowas gibts actually s.zirka 3000 Euro appliances. Must hold each decide for themselves whether it is enough, what with the relatively small chips for these products is possible.


Because I give you quite right. Even in comparison to my old Panasonic miniDV 75, is already the worlds in between and had 500, - Euro.

If you sort of want to get HD, you must have a pole to make more relaxed.

I think yes Lowlight-synonymous to quality in relation to the other HD camcorder in this price segment is currently sold.

There is the Sony, with the full benefits in the sum, then still the slightly better choice. But that view is actually a disgrace, an HD camcorder to have, then in Lowlight looks like a cam from the 80s. About time a Panasonic SD5 or JVC HD7 had who knows what I am talking about ;-)



Antwort von randersen:

Juhu,
I would have given a 'Feature' question:
Displays the SR11/12 actually overexposed areas as synonymous zebra stripes (or otherwise) to? The feature has been included in the tests that I've read so far, not mentioned. And s.der HF10 (0) is criticism that it has not ...

Gruß, Ralf.



Antwort von Bernd E.:

'rand Ersen "wrote:
... Shows SR11/12 actually overexposed areas as synonymous zebra stripes ... to ...

Here:
www.sonydigital-link.com/dime/camcorders/hdh/hdh.aspx?l=de&sc=HDH&m=HDR-SR12E
you can view the operation of both manual as a pdf download. This should be the question of the zebra easily answered. I memorized's not synonymous.

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von randersen:

Sorry, because I would have come out synonymous. Nevertheless, of course, 'merci beaucoup'. Ralf.



Antwort von stepa:

Yes it has the zebra function. I myself use it synonymous ;-)



Antwort von freacore:

Has the true FullHD Camera?








Antwort von Jan:

You can see one way or another.

Sonymeint yes and calls it 1920x1080 recording when the recording line pairs (what really rauskommt and is measured) of SR 11 & 12 notes, they "only" 1440x1080 HDV in the field.

I know a few synonymous "affordable cameras like the EX SonyPMW the 1 & 3 really have ahead of 1440x1080 and 1920x1080 stop creating - the optics used, it should probably not synonymous unimportant. The Sony PMW work quite so synonymous with high data rates, since more time is equal to "place" there.

VG
Jan



Antwort von freacore:

Is it because of the inherently superior quality in 1440x1080 aufzunehemen?



Antwort von Jan:

Hello --

No, not usually. The advantage of 1920 is unfortunately not here to see, even the Canon HF 10 & 100 is exactly in the best of times Qual (17 MBit / sec) slightly above the 1440 HDV border.

The individual components are simply not good enough if the optics are better, higher data rates are used - then it will probably still something ....

You can see that yes at the EX 1 with 35 Mbit / sec MPEG 2 - which comes into the 1920 zone.

So wait, or the Sony & Canon antesten.

VG
Jan




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