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Gute (kleine?!?) HD-Cam? Speicherkarte? DVD? Mini-DV? (HD/SSD?) Modell?

Good (small?) HD-Cam? Memory card? DVD? Mini-DV? (HD / SSD?) Model?



Frage von Tobias Claren:
März 2008

Hello.

My parents still have a D8 camera.
Probably you would have them on board and used when they would not be so great.

Therefore I am looking for information, now what it currently s.HD cameras there.

Whether it's DVD, Mini DV or memory card (or hard drive or SSD) should be.

The image quality is probably the most crucial, but if the camera is compact enough to include them in your pocket to take with you, it unfortunately brings nothing. And that does not mean a camera bag, jacket, etc. but.

According to Chip (like do I compare different tests), the Canon HV20 is the best picture quality and is synonymous Square 1 of the overall standings.
But is synonymous to "compact" enough for the parents which they would otherwise never go and use? The media are synonymous, of course a factor.

If you have a lot of memory (hours on volume) in a small space, you do not take as much space.

Is there a particularly compact camera but a (very) good picture quality, the most recommended?
price per MB of memory would be synonymous not uninteresting. When the memory card I do not know how many minutes at what place so fit. How much would be on a map of a particular size, which can store price.
To a large SDHC card is not cheap, probably would be more expensive.
If the contents of a map but straightforward synonymous roadside or in the empty hotel, is of course to be taken into account. But you must bring a laptop (which does not necessarily want to). Also have a correspondingly large because it's HD. Or one must also take a thick outside.

What is important is picture quality primarily but Compatible clothes bag (a bag is probably more synonymous when it is not big place).

Regards,
Clare Tobias



Antwort von Daigoro:

"Clare Tobias" wrote:
Hello.

My parents still have a D8 camera.
Probably you would have them on board and used when they would not be so great.


Well .. yes and no.
Interesting films are not alone, and of most of what a so happens - even on vacation or on the big family celebration - is permanently not interesting enough to be filmed.
Or you have to stop 5 hours long rumrennen and shooting and everything s.Ende to his 10-minute movie interesting cut (so similar it's yes synonymous television - the SWR has recently for about 3 minutes on the air about 4 hours with us at the club filmed and interviews).

Because of mostly a few photographs of the highlights.
In ne video, you can still s.Nachbearbeitung hours stuck to what to make of it interesting.
Without processing provides the most tough as leather. Look you just do not like to.
Is only my opinion - are definitely people who look different and differently and their compact camera everywhere and always with you and all the filming and the films then synonymous happy again anschaun.

To thema HDV / cassette, there's next to the HV20/30 synonymous nor the much more compact HV10. The missing although a few features, but when it's compact should be, would be worth a glance (either camcorder database here or Google for details).

Since there was a long discussion were:
http://forum.slashcam.de/sanyo-xacti-hd1000-empfehlenswert-fur-unerfahrenen-user-vt54872.html?highlight =

Basically, if compactness is the main criterion is probably not so bad. The test pictures and videos are in any case, for something small and household ok.

Otherwise you can synonymous a good (!) Digital camera (that is rather good on the photo function eighth and the video is nice) in the eye's grasp, which may include synonymous videos - so different emphasis.
My wife has zb ne Ixus (Mature Model .. at the latest, I can not say too much), so focus knipst Snapshots and s.and s.ein smaller video, then that's enough from synonymous. Photos vs.. Video synonymous saves the space on the SD card.
I'd like it as synonymous ne compact video camera with photo function angedreht - s.besten in HD (among us rather than toys for me: D), but because they are so or not so much filming and is no longer synonymous film would make the rather little sense.



Antwort von Michaela:

How would it be with a HC 9 (or HC 7) of Sony?
The design is similar to the HV 20 / 30 - the picture quality is at the same level.
There are several posts with the pros and contras.

But the really good (and many compact Knipsen equal) Photo function HC 9 is the ideal companion.








Antwort von Tobias Claren:

But, she has not taken away because it is too large. O-sound.
They are not ambitious videographers to take only if it is easy to carry.
It was already in the small digital camera SonyDSC-V1 too big, and it had to be SonyDSC-N1.

Well, the HV10 is missing something important like a mic input I believe. It should at least be possible to something synonymous in stereo (Phonie) incorporated.

Well, yes, the camera offers even less than PAL. The DSC-N1 is probably 640x480. And the quality is for web clips nor appropriate.

"But because they are so or not so much filming and synonymous film would no longer makes much more sense."
Who?
My mother would be a lot of filming, but do not want the D8-block drag around with.
Fotaparat is available, and is synonymous extra board if a digital camera function would have a photo.
From the square there are two such small devices, no problem. Better than one that needs as much space as both together (yes two devices easily fit into two bags, where a bigger dent proposes a thick).
The photo function of the HD camcorder to be here in my question absolutely no role to play. Or will the now virtually self-contained digital cameras? Please note that it is not the verlgiech with any 199 Euro-Knipsen of Lidl goes,-D.
The latest is a SonyDSC-N1. If a built-in camera that can afford, you might think about just to use them.
But synonymous because the megapixels are not unimportant. No, no MP-Wahn, MP offer freedom to cut and detail, 8MP, the SonyDSC-N1. If the HD camcorder can take over, it could be synonymous if you want the digital camera sale.

But primarily, the importance of video quality. However, if an HD camera with good video quality still synonymous replacement digital camera photos with decent enough MP can do, it is also interesting.

Basically, the size of this camcorder so more space for a digital camera image quality than many compact digital cameras.
And the optics are often synonymous bigger than many compact digital cameras. But the HD camcorder is still "compact" to be.



Antwort von B.DeKid:

Sony cameras can sometimes stick to NEN 320x240 photos and videos ... so my example makes the 2 nd Camera is great for between inside / fairs / etc otherwise characterized based on MiniDV just normal video. The means SonyDCR PC330E times .... kuck obs them NEN successor as HD version there ..... and then buy.

Whether the Canon HV 10/20/30 I know this can net.
Although I am a friend Canon, I recommend mostly Sony cameras in the class price <1500. Also in NEN shop and go Canon or Sonyin hands and is good. Then again ... then compare tests online. So easy is it.

Nix memory or hard disks DVD models all still too expensive and Mini DV really get anywhere in the world.
Nen still NEN Addition Aku UV Schraubfilter for Lens and ready.
Holidays may come and "mother" can film ;-)



Antwort von edgar:

"Clare Tobias" wrote:
Photo ... The function of the HD camcorder to be here in my question absolutely no role to play. Or will the now virtually self-contained digital cameras? ... If a built-in camera that can afford, you might think about just to use them ...


If you like 6 instead of 8 MP suffice, then the HC 9 exactly what you are looking for. It is here on several positive about the "photo quality" of HC 7 / 9 has been written.
My comparison is limited to: SonyDSC P12, Olympus mju 790 SW and Canon EOS 5D.
The HC 9 is superior to the P12 - the Olympus loses in WW, but scores at telephoto - the 5D is a chance ;-)
In my eyes a real alternative to a compact clippers (synonymous to your Sony).



Antwort von Tobias Claren:

Are there any comparisons in the picture quality of the photos within Sony's digital cameras and camcorders?
Then, the camcorder synonymous bit more expensive.
But not so much that for the higher price gets the digital camera again :-). If not for me, so I have to find compromises.
If such a compact camcorder synonymous equivalent or better digital camera (SonyDSC-N1) can replace, it would be a financially synonymous incentive that I can impart. Because the digital camera may have of its value in the purchase of the camcorder are introduced.
Because, unfortunately, synonymous nor the DSC-V1 is here (if you had to have been sold), it is synonymous to the same. Meanwhile, the N1 so used to the same level as the older V1. Speaks for the V1, whose value is not so much decreased. They have the sales value of the D8 camcorder (or 300, had me with the 375 verguckt), and there are 700 euros. But maybe you get something with good video quality synonymous what the photo shoots of SonyDSC-N1 can be replaced.

Since the camcorder has larger lenses, so it should at least be technically possible to be better than a good compact for the same house. And three CCDs should be synonymous yes no disadvantage (?).
Is that even possible with cameras?

Is there a (ig) e good (video quality) hard camera (s)?
Because they are more flexible / comfortable than with MiniDV.
If the recordings on the tapes can accumulate synonymous return values. Even if it is "only" 2 per tape are.
Then maybe "forced" to it for example on a large external HD to store. I may be synonymous to MiniDV tapes each time to play on the external, but the real Bänderwechselei and dubbing of MiniDV remains. And as if synonymous HD capacity outside it is sublime, it should not be impossible, they once against a major change ...

The SonyHDR-SR ...? Since I have not yet synonymous info what is now different. Given these HDD is synonymous with ultra-compact cameras. Disk devices do not need big ...
Are other models / Manufacturer for AVCHD HDD devices tend to recommend? Even if they pay better P / L ratio (but not to be significantly worse).
For these devices, there is synonymous offers from US / UK, but there are Menusprachen where German does not occur. Are there really units without the option German? But several other languages besides English. If yes, is there such Importgerätern the possibility of a "firmware" the German einzuflashen can?



Antwort von andrempga:

"Clare Tobias" wrote:
... Is there a (ig) e good (video quality) hard camera (s)?
Because they are more flexible / comfortable than with MiniDV ...


Since when that?
They are not flexible (s.flexibelsten are you if you have a tape exchange - the flexibility goes with a plate full of expectant) - nor are they more comfortable - at least if you put the pictures somehow want to edit.

But they are definitely shock sensitive, usually have higher "working noise" as tape drives and tape when the times is stuck, you swap them out - with a hard drive, this expense the value of the unit over.



Antwort von andrempga:

My recommendation: Sanyo Xacti HD1000 with a 16GB memory card
small as it gets, good picture quality and full HD (either synonymous 720p)



Antwort von Tobias Claren:

What is AVCHD on MiniDV is better than on hard drive?

Quote:
AVCHD (Advanced Video Codec High Definition)
Especially for high-resolution videos, this relatively new format use. It combines relatively small size with high picture quality and is the MPG2 format clearly superior. Filed here will no longer be on tape but only on hard drive, memory card or flash memory.


So is the AVCHD format being synonymous to hard drive to find.
One must of course be careful that no one gets with an exotic take Mpeg2 with any program which can be reworked.
Which codec is thus on a MiniDV tape better?
And by that I mean not only the Meiung that a DV codec is generally better. It is not quite so synonymous uncompressed camcorder in the area. Moreover, with an older less efficient than today's modern compression codecs.

And it is not theoretically possible that AVCHD without recalculating to cut? The codec is / is as synonymous of BlueRay players to read. So editing software could be a yes because where there are no effects without recalculation store. If there is the problem with not storing frame precisely synonymous with AVCHD still there, the editing software if precisely cut frame is required (at their own recordings, you can usually waive, in contrast to "cut" of TV recordings where the advertising removed) just the few pictures because the recalculation is needed.
Would such a turnkey Mpeg4 codec AVCHD as a quality advantage if you no longer need to recalculate everything.
Even with the old computer so the software must be in Mpeg2 or Mpeg4 recalculate. If there is already a good codec that could be (the software) so it. Only a few frames for frame exactly, and where there are effects. And a speed advantage when cutting, it is obviously synonymous. Especially on machines which do not offer high performance.

I have not much about the background of this "bias", but is that some devices "Mpeg2-PS" or use something exotic? That is clear, so that's not even get iMovie, and this is quite popular and as the crowning test synonymous.
But if you have a HDD camcorder, the current in a supported format stores (eg, the same as MiniDV devices), but nothing speaks more to a camcorder with hard drive, right?
The point is comfort on the matter of opinion. If the data on just on a external hard drive (preferably without a notebook) in HighSpeed (as opposed to real-time for MiniDV) to secure for itself, you can now with tens of hours of free memory to continue.
Cost-effective and faster than synonymous quickly if you still need to buy tapes.
And the rapid availability leads to more synonymous to the data and times to times with a post to start.
If it were a stack of first MiniDV tapes rumliegt, in real time on the PC be it's already a certain hurdle.

The flexibility of a large HDD with maximum capacity 30 hours is that they very quickly on a large HDD to play. If you have to do with bands, you may run the whole band to wait until the hard drive is.
Suuuper comfort, if you must wait for 1 hours so that one hour can hold. A hand full of MiniDV tapes have to be rich. When one begins as just after purchase, you sometime 30, 40, 50, etc. cassettes.

Quote:

ARD:
Disadvantage: The dubbing of the DV material on the PC is via Fire Wire cable, only in real time. One hour film has to be synonymous for an hour dub. Even high-resolution videos they are still stored on tape and then as HDV (High Definition Video) refers.


And the MiniDV tapes which are inconvenient to get is. This is Ansichstsache. A Camera with 30 hours capacity in the best HD quality and a large external hard drive is the easiest (and cheapest) what it currently is, because if there is the possibility of data directly



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Clare Tobias" wrote:
... What is AVCHD on MiniDV is better than on hard drive? ...

AVCHD on tape has the advantage that it does not exist - that makes it synonymous no difficulties in the post ;-)

"Clare Tobias" wrote:
... so that's not even get iMovie, and this is ... according to the test synonymous coronation ...

iMovie is - or was apparently up to and including version 6 - a perfectly ordinary program for beginners, but as a "coronation" I would not necessarily describe. Or it was meant ironically?

"Clare Tobias" wrote:
... if you have a HDD camcorder, the current in a supported format stores (eg, the same as MiniDV devices) ...

;-) If it plainly: There is no.

"Clare Tobias" wrote:
... Looking at the data on just on a external hard drive (preferably without a notebook) can secure ... ...

Without a computer because you will have bad cards. Hard disks, which could separate (such as the Firestone gates) need for the HDD camcorders usually (or always?) The lack of Firewire connection, and they are priced higher than the fast camcorder itself

"Clare Tobias" wrote:
... you can try with a DV tape ends meet, but you will anyway right after the recording to an external HD to play on the tape again to be able to use ...

One can of course, all complicated, but the idea must be first come ;-)

"Clare Tobias" wrote:
... The exchange is likely to HDD 0 Cost So cause, since only the mentally less would be presented as something more than a service can do ( "Generation Doof ")...

If you receive such a reconstruction plan seriously, look on the Internet for an appropriate description. I remember dark, that somebody with a Sony camcorder has tried, but - for lack of personal interest s.solchen devices - the link is not saved.

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von Tobias Claren:

No, iMovie is a test reports list with 1.0 to square one.

Quote:
AVCHD (Advanced Video Codec High Definition)
Especially for high-resolution videos, this relatively new format use. It combines relatively small size with high picture quality and is the MPG2 format clearly superior. Filed here will no longer be on tape but only on hard drive, memory card or flash memory.


Here is a fact that in AVCHD HDD devices can be found.
And it will be enough of (the principal) programs.

Quote:
;-) If it plainly: There is no.


AVCHD is "popular".
Sony, Panasonic, Canon, Pioneer, Samsung and Sharp.
And how geschirben, it is in Mpeg2 from the TV it possible to cut without recalculation. If you already at a codec as AVCHD does, you have no very compute-intensive material Neiberechnung immediately that you can retain.
Only where there are effects, or you necessarily want to frame precisely cut, a bit recalculated. So theoretically, I have better quality, because I, unlike DV Mpeg4 did not recalculate.
Abgesehn of hours to days depending on the Neuberechnungszeit Video and computer performance.

Then, you take the NB but with. FW is not tuned? Was that not even standard on camcorders? The D8-old has it. If the camcorder and the external USB2 disk is synonymous have no problem. You need only to be able to exchange data.
Otherwise stop with NB between. That is something we do not lug, which extends in a hotel ...

Quote:
One can of course, all complicated, but the idea must be first come ;-)


When you first 40 DV tapes (D8-recordings) has accumulated, will be necessary for the future. As for the circumstance and reliability, but the cost of the synonymous despite Einzelpreis lapping.

Quote:
Comparison with tape recording

The tape offers opportunities, lots of data at a relatively favorable, wennauch less reliable disk drive. On a mini-DV tape can, for example, about 13 gigabytes can be stored. Inexpensive memory cards are currently available for up to eight gigabytes available, ie slightly more than half s.Speicherkapazität a mini-DV tape. Since an important advantage of AVCHD, however, is that when an identical data rate compared to MPEG-2 a much higher memory efficiency is achieved, relative to the costs. In addition, it is in the field of consumer video technology first introduced by AVCHD is possible that the whole Resolutionvon HD 1920 x 1080 pixels without interpolation recorded, and that modern storage medium not only sequential but synonymous random access to data is possible.


AVCHD seems advantages over MiniDV (because it is allegedly so because there does not exist) to offer. Qualitative and what reliability.

And again s.Schluss: It would be a huge advantage when you get to the cut without recalculation anymore. This saves much computation time and provides a first cut with no loss of quality.
Sure you could just cut DV synonymous without being re-calculated, but who wants the vast amounts of data to DVD, etc. store. Besides, only 20 minutes on a DVD can be no player (or?). s.kommt at DV Recalculating not around.
With AVCHD, it would be technically possible, and the format is synonymous Compatible players. At least BlueRay and what is new. For Media Center PCs (not only my MCE of MS) anyway.








Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Clare Tobias" wrote:
Quote:
;-) If it plainly: There is no.
... AVCHD is "popular" ... Sony, Panasonic, Canon, Pioneer, Samsung and Sharp ...

Your message - and thus my response - referred to a HDD camcorder in the same format as MiniDV devices. That would be yes no AVCHD, and an HDD camcorder in the DV format recording (not MPEG2 or MPEG4), there are times not. That meant I had. Pioneer, however I know absolutely no camcorder, no preference in what format.

Gruß Bernd E.



Antwort von wolfgang:

Tobias, I want you not to come near. Many of the theoretical advantages synonymous vote yes - but in the current camcorders and editing systems, the current simply not raised.

There is currently no single (!) Editing program for consumer or prosumer, which Smartrendern of AVCHD material. Not a single one. Because everything is calculated, and not just a little bit of what a Aperture or so.

Will not you cut is a possibility synonymous - as ansehbar then the films have been raised. Since we are talking of holding synonymous strong claim.

Only just now coming AVCHD 1920 devices are the first in testing on the potential of HDV devices overtake them. This could be dieCanonHF10 that could be SonySR11/SR12. Possibly.

And the Nachberarbeitung AVCHD is more difficult to halt unchanged - in 1920 the material is even harder when you look at the behavior of the material in the practice. Yes, with hochgetakteten, modern quad like the Q6600 is the case just as in the case HDV is much, much easier.

And the arguments with the normalization: the opposite is true! The variants of HDV mpeg2 are in practice much more standardized than we in the AVCHD material of the various AVCHD camcorders experience. Since cook Manufacturer namely each his own soup - now synonymous when some (few) programs that natively edit AVCHD material may be (strictly speaking, only Vegas and Pinnacle Studio 8 in the PC world).

Incidentally gibts of synonymous JVC camcorder on base in mpeg2 HD - synonymous full-HD. The first of these camcorders, the HD7, but showed in full-HD is no advantage. The second, the HD6 could because, after initial tests better.

I do not know if you have these things in practice want to hear. But that is holding today, the situation dar. News and coming from practice. In a few years can be totally different.

I want thee not necessarily of AVCHD advise if you want to use, make it natural. I would strongly advise that you are wondering about the current situation well inform, perhaps the basis of practical sources and users of the actual experience and no shares in the case '. There are so synonymous Buying on the Net.



Antwort von Daigoro:

"Clare Tobias" wrote:
But, she has not taken away because it is too large. O-sound.


Yes, and the new camera will be - no preference how big or small - too expensive - could be unsafe even in countries nicked.
If it's worth is to be included, it drags synonymous with 10 kilos.

"Clare Tobias" wrote:
They are not ambitious videographers to take only if it is easy to carry.


We should not necessarily synonymous filming. At least not always and everywhere. A few Snapshots make her more often.

"Clare Tobias" wrote:
Well, the HV10 is missing something important like a mic input I believe. It should at least be possible to something synonymous in stereo (Phonie) incorporated.


Is this now something like 'the smallest mobile phone in the world'? the only 2 large Samsonite suitcase Batteries needed?
If the parents have a cigarette box s.Camera is already too much, then when will they be the Micro, which is twice as big, with me? :)

"Clare Tobias" wrote:
Well, yes, the camera offers even less than PAL. The DSC-N1 is probably 640x480. And the quality is for web clips nor appropriate.


The resolution is only one of many quality criteria. And not even the main thing.

"Clare Tobias" wrote:
"But because they are so or not so much filming and synonymous film would no longer makes much more sense."
Who?
My mother would be a lot of filming, but do not want the D8-block drag around with.
Fotaparat is available, and is synonymous extra board if a digital camera function would have a photo.


Will have, should have ... if you liked the Camera of your parents want to borrow, then let P se halt what good and expensive to buy, you would like.
Otherwise, we probably have more time spent with the thread than the later of Mama would be used. : D

Sorry if the Untechnical, but the technology is synonymous only part of the filming.

And if size and "HD" ability now * the * criterion, guck dir halt in the Xacti.




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