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Auf der nach einer Video-DSLR +/- 1000 €

On the video for a DSLR + / - 1000 ¬



Frage von UlmsSkyliner:
Oktober 2010

Hiya,

I register for the forum once again after a long verb.

Have now completed a 9-month internship at a regional station, lots to learn and would now take off again right in music video. 've Already done some before, but eventually I lacked the desire and synonymous Motiviation time.

Currently undergoing my civil service, must work 2-4 hours grad times each day and before I spend my time meaningless before the afternoon program of RTL, I thought to myself I'm starting again s.Projekte start, simply beautiful turn again what.

Get my HV sell 20 so a bit of money for a new video DSLR have.

So I'm on the search for a good Videospiegelreflexcam.
Budget + / - 1000 ¬.

What can you recommend me there?

And what do you think of that at all?

The shallow depth of field is just very beautiful.

MfG Chris



Antwort von pilskopf:

I would even wait for the Lumix GH2 but with 1000 ¬ not get hold far. That's enough back and not forward. Maybe a 550d with 2 pieces, that's it.



Antwort von edgar:

Keep these and use your HV20 camcorder for your projects.
With your budget you will unfortunately come at a VDSLR not far ...

Greetings Edgar

PS: Have you ever rotated with a VDSLR?
If not, then try it out first before you sell and buy new.








Antwort von Numquam:

Overall, you should keep your HV 20. This Consumer Camera of Canon is no longer built. You could therefore be that for this cam not even begin to get what you imagine.

Although it has sometimes cost almost 900 ¬. With luck you'll get half.

With the estimated ¬ 1,000 budget you come just as far as to buy a used HDSLR you can. Since then, however, is any and if at all, only the KitLinse with it.

To be a eingermaßen well-stocked equipment in HDSLR You can have with expected tight 5000 ¬, if you have a Rig, Steadycam, FF, light, micro (radio link), interchangeable lenses, battery, filter storage medium, boom, external sound ( Tascam or H4N etc.pp) Timer Remote, Tripod with Video Head, LCD Magnifier want to have etc.pp.

Maybe it is even contrary to you if you intend a 5D II and a 7D or 60D or D300 550 D, GH1 or GH2 (adaptation used by foreign manufacturers and are not SLR) need to.

Are you really willing to throw up after a neunmonatigem internship and community service in current expenses exceed your Zivigehalt many times?

I would think very well, unless you're with a golden spoon in his mouth was born. :-)

As I said ¬ 1000 is far too little.

Would be nice if we could work with stress-free ;-)


Greetz



Antwort von UlmsSkyliner:

Mmm but I think if I will sell them, for example, in 1 or 2 years, then I get so much less money for the camera.

So a former colleague from the TV has bought the 550 D and the costs less than 1000 ¬.
I have a couple of times on YouTube of photographs taken inside the 550 D and the look already pretty good.

Will use it mostly for music videos and commercials.

MfG Chris



Antwort von jwd96:

The 550D is a good choice. One need not necessarily s.accessories extent (especially for music videos of the O-Sound is already gone ma)

The 550D is so expensive around 800 ¬, since you can buy you another ordendliche fixed focal length. That you have a tripod, of which I am now going out again.

But try, really useful. Ask your former work colleagues but sometimes, if he lends you his 550d time for a day.



Antwort von UlmsSkyliner:

"Numquam" wrote:


To be a eingermaßen well-stocked equipment in HDSLR You can have with expected tight 5000 ¬, if you have a Rig, Steadycam, FF, light, micro (radio link), interchangeable lenses, battery, filter storage medium, boom, external sound ( Tascam or H4N etc.pp) Timer Remote, Tripod with Video Head, LCD Magnifier want to have etc.pp.
Greetz


Micro (radio link), boom and everything that has to do with sound, I do not because I have already written, will need mainly make music videos.

Tripod I have. Light can I borrow me cheap, Dolly is homemade, Glidecam HD, 1000 I set maybe. (350 ¬)

The 1000 ¬ refers only to the camera, not all the equipment!



Antwort von Numquam:

"UlmsSkyliner" wrote:
"Numquam" wrote:


To be a eingermaßen well-stocked equipment in HDSLR You can have with expected tight 5000 ¬, if you have a Rig, Steadycam, FF, light, micro (radio link), interchangeable lenses, battery, filter storage medium, boom, external sound ( Tascam or H4N etc.pp) Timer Remote, Tripod with Video Head, LCD Magnifier want to have etc.pp.
Greetz


Micro (radio link), boom and everything that has to do with sound, I do not because I have already written, will need mainly make music videos.

Tripod I have. Light can I borrow me cheap, Dolly is homemade, Glidecam HD, 1000 I set maybe. (350 ¬)

The 1000 ¬ refers only to the camera, not all the equipment!


Are you turning around without primary tone music videos? How do you then create the synchronicity?

That you should bear in mind what extent can get for your project. How it looks. What you need and what is not you realize only when you lack. ;-)

Onabgesehen of all the other stuff, you come with 1000 ¬ still close. Since n is any body in it + ne Kitlinse. That's it. No memory card, no GeLi, no spare battery etc.pp

You definitely need a follow focus (otherwise take a lot of fun sharpness).

and follow focus means in most cases synonymous with a rig matching rods.


The HD 1000 schonmal not enough, you'll need at least the 2000 version
.

Let this be said to you. I have it all behind me now.

But try making wise.

Greetz



Antwort von UlmsSkyliner:

For the sound of a music video so far as the internal microphone on all cases.

The with the follow focus I've already thought synonymous.

But if I set a control monitor, and my notebook with Full HD Display, I can check the sharpness quite well. Or is it not possible that I have my notebook as a kind of "control monitor" using?



Antwort von pilskopf:

Why is not enough, the Glidecam HD1000? I bet it works well. As for your account to get to the question? Have burned up to 1.4 kilos to 1.2 kilos I hold for a really good weight. The Canon weighs 500 grams I believe so, now is the Wide Angle What weighs 1 kilogram? Micro yes it takes non. The HD-2000 is synonymous ok, I already had in hand but I had a choice, clearly the 1000 simply because smaller and easier, faster, easier. If he wants to use a head light, ok, then I tend towards the 2000, however, is a head light is a major problem in Steadi nervous, even a micro I think is unfavorable when it is mounted above the action. side mount is gscheit.


Why not be the Canon 60D though ne?



Antwort von Mink:

"Numquam" wrote:

... You come with 1000 ¬ still close. Since n is any body in it + ne Kitlinse. That's it. No memory card, no GeLi, no spare battery etc.pp


Synchronicity makes sense ... does ne clapper n Zwanni ....

Otherwise ....: times following is true that you can spend a fortune and each claim must synonymous ..... wrong is that you with 1000 ¬ DSLR equipment can not have and have fun ....

I do mal ne account:

Canon 550D with some memory and extra-NoName Battery (used with warranty) - 550 ¬

Tamron 17-50 (used without image stabilization) - 200 ¬

Cokin-P Filter system with filters and Gelis - 100 ¬ (max)

View Finder - 120 ¬ (I offer a degree:)

Adapters for M42 or Nikon or Pentax Lenses and accordingly 1-2 prime lenses - 200 ¬

¬ 1,170 (well ... close to it;?) Ne .... added some support would still not bad .... and also to keep your HV20 first ....



Antwort von Numquam:

"UlmsSkyliner" wrote:
For the sound of a music video so far as the internal microphone on all cases.

The with the follow focus I've already thought synonymous.

But if I set a control monitor, and my notebook with Full HD Display, I can check the sharpness quite well. Or is it not possible that I have my notebook as a kind of "control monitor" using?


That comes out you see above in turn prefer to watch on your monitor or you are dealing with the Rotate. Both are also bad.

Then have your laptop has an HDMI connection, at least if you like with the newer models of HDSLR's going to work or do you work with a VGA signal?

All preview screens below of 800 ¬ (as much as does the Ikan V8000) are garbage.

Since an LCD makes more sense motion. Cheap entry-level models are already p.180 ¬ to have. These usually have a magnification of 2.5x or even 3 x, so you can determine the sharpness of 1 A and save you the lathing.

ANd have Money Available for a low light lens left or whatever you imagine.


Remember who buys cheap, buys twice. This applies to 90%.

If you want to make good use of your money will buy mainly branded hardware.

Even if it takes longer, but then you have quality goods.


Greetz








Antwort von Numquam:

"Pils head" wrote:
Why is not enough, the Glidecam HD1000? I bet it works well. As for your account to get to the question? Have burned up to 1.4 kilos to 1.2 kilos I hold for a really good weight. The Canon weighs 500 grams I believe so, now is the Wide Angle What weighs 1 kilogram? Micro yes it takes non. The HD-2000 is synonymous ok, I already had in hand but I had a choice, clearly the 1000 simply because smaller and easier, faster, easier. If he wants to use a head light, ok, then I tend towards the 2000, however, is a head light is a major problem in Steadi nervous, even a micro I think is unfavorable when it is mounted above the action. side mount is gscheit.


Why not be the Canon 60D though ne?



I've had the 550 D and I with my HD 2000 mobility tested. It's about the compatibility with other additional equipment. You still turn build a battery grip, light and micro, bottom NEN preview screen plus n ordinary lens, which is already scarce.

One can, of course, synonymous like the HD 1000 and HD 2000 Now for the eventuality. If you want to upgrade again.

Other than that it takes a long time until you can deal with a Steadycam. And without Forearm Brace or vest with arm makes the 20 minutes s.Stück None.

Although there is only one HDSLR adapted.



Antwort von pilskopf:

If he still wants to build more turn of the HD 1000 is too weak to clear. But he does not need a micro, a head light is always unfavorable, I mean, that makes the Steadicam very unstable. The need to know just if you plan it. The 2000 is already ne good thing, it's just much larger than the HD1000 and correspondingly heavier. As you say, already, stop times, the Steadicam for a while without any aids. There is ne HD 1000 have the advantage.



Antwort von Numquam:

"Mink" wrote:
"Numquam" wrote:

... You come with 1000 ¬ still close. Since n is any body in it + ne Kitlinse. That's it. No memory card, no GeLi, no spare battery etc.pp


Synchronicity makes sense ... does ne clapper n Zwanni ....

Otherwise ....: times following is true that you can spend a fortune and each claim must synonymous ..... wrong is that you with 1000 ¬ DSLR equipment can not have and have fun ....

I do mal ne account:

Canon 550D with some memory and extra-NoName Battery (used with warranty) - 550 ¬

Tamron 17-50 (used without image stabilization) - 200 ¬

Cokin-P Filter system with filters and Gelis - 100 ¬ (max)

View Finder - 120 ¬ (I offer a degree:)

Adapters for M42 or Nikon or Pentax Lenses and accordingly 1-2 prime lenses - 200 ¬

¬ 1,170 (well ... close to it;?) Ne .... added some support would still not bad .... and also to keep your HV20 first ....


You mean synchronicity!

It is not about fun, the man wants to make music videos!

Ne 550 D, used for 550 ¬ with Kitlinse, eventually. Alone, an SDHC card Class 6 and 8 GB - version is around 35 ¬.

Of this you need schonmal least 3 - 4. Everything else in Class 6 is to use only less so.

The MB / s is critical.

You should always refrain of NoName Batteries void because the occurrence of a defect in the warranty. In order to win anything so synonymous.

A decent lens you have already have .. with Aperture 5.6 you will not come as far.

Your account is ne Milchmädchenrechnung. A hodgepodge of used goods. Wasn with guarantee and warranty?

The boy is all his money from used goods and is it bad if n is half a year later before a purchase.

If even then Lenses Good. Rather better than n Lenses to expensive body.

And so on.

Since the FF is still missing and the rig and light and so next and immediately.

Greetz



Antwort von Mink:

I mean really synchronicity but we probably mean different things .... I would be interested but what do you mean?

Which is contrary to a brand new 550D with say a half years remaining warranty? The with the unnamed Batteries is so general rubbish! My recommendation here: giseke.de .... What is with some good old-Nikkor Nikon or Zeiss lenses to say? What is he against the 2.8 17-50mm Tamron??

If not for fun let's go shall .....!!

Follow Focus is on theatrical matters not strictly necessary but useful .... a rig synonymous .... Light? You can borrow ....



Antwort von 9komma81:

"Numquam" wrote:

[...] Then have your laptop has an HDMI connection, at least if you like with the newer models of HDSLR's going to work or do you work with a VGA signal?

Possibly. He says the EOS utility?
"Numquam" wrote:

All preview screens below of 800 ¬ (as much as does the Ikan V8000) are garbage.

Since an LCD makes more sense motion. Cheap entry-level models are already p.180 ¬ to have. These usually have a magnification of 2.5x or even 3 x, so you can determine the sharpness of 1 A and save you the lathing.

The digifinder.pro costs 50 ¬, the eyecup again an additional 20 ¬ - should be enough for the beginning synonymous.



Antwort von Numquam:

It's called synchronicity ..... and not sync! That's what I mean. ;-)

Party batteries: Well, if the rubbish is then time for Canon to ask!

Against the glass where they originate and FD bayonet of analog cameras is to say that no adjustment is to infinity. This is only possible with an adapter, the lens has a correction. All are on the market adapter with corrective lens, however, scrap.

(Canon has made even a few years ago a separate adapter with correction lens of the now costs around 350 ¬ and more than scarce)

The result is a milky blurred picture. Since nothing is with sharpness.

Adapter without preventing correction lens as the setting to infinity, Canon said. Example is the Canon FD 28mm 2.8 with intensity only macro possible.



Instead of the Tamron, you can take the synonymous Kitlinse that has cost at least IS and n and n an appel.

Is light can lend you if you an insurance policy for the borrowed equipment in the event of a claim paid.

I am here in the north only an insurance policy that makes it known, and that is the DOMCURA. All other major insurance companies offer to pay in to their service catalog no insurance, the damage to borrowed items to 5000 ¬.


Whether or not scenic scenic You know not always the outset, those who are already so limited, it can be the same.

S.der fun thing you have a lot more with the best equipment.

Greetz



Antwort von Mink:

Well the movie is already synonymous to sync .... Synchronicity ... this "thing" with CG Jung ... consecutive events without a causal relationship and so .... 've watched grad mal ... exciting but I do not know in what context do you see this ... let us rather talk about it! ;)

All use foreign-Batteries! All! Except numquam!

Yes, of FD hands off .... no preference as strong light, the lens, the lenses are installed in the adapters (are bad) and reduce the intensity of Lenses is not significant and infinitely synonymous. You're right.

But come Nikon, Pentax and M42 Lens adapter requires no little cost ... .... and work! Old lenses are often on par or better than new, expensive lenses.

Between the Tamron 2.8 (<--!!) and the differences are in existence for Kitlinse! So really ma! FRAUDULENT!



Antwort von gast3:

@ Numquam:
Adapter without preventing correction lens as the setting to infinity, Canon said. Example is the Canon FD 28mm 2.8 with intensity only macro possible.

This only applies to Canon FD lenses ......

But eg. Nikon and Leica Lenses can be adapted very well and be focused to infinity, the adapter (Novoflex) are without glass, have both in self-use.
Of course, everything manual, focus and aperture setting .....



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Numquam" wrote:
... Party batteries: Well, if the rubbish is then'll ask for Canon to ...!

Canon advises in fact so massive than any other manufactures depend on the carry for the battery purchase provided money to the competition and has without saying anything else in mind than the safety of the customer Actually ;-) is it Canon by the way, less to NoName Batteries-s.sich, but counterfeits are sold as alleged Canon originals. Because they fear most synonymous to its reputation with the customer, if this battery is no good.
However, one should not lump all the synonymous third-party batteries with the same brush. With brand batteries, which carry not the Canon logo, but are sold under other names known, the residual risk that each lithium-battery has probably not larger than an original. For a 3-euro Battery, purchased on ebay from the back room of a Chinese food stall, things may be different.








Antwort von Numquam:

"Mink" wrote:
Well the movie is already synonymous to sync .... Synchronicity ... this "thing" with CG Jung ... consecutive events without a causal relationship and so .... 've watched grad mal ... exciting but I do not know in what context do you see this ... let us rather talk about it! ;)

All use foreign-Batteries! All! Except numquam!

Yes, of FD hands off .... no preference as strong light, the lens, the lenses are installed in the adapters (are bad) and reduce the intensity of Lenses is not significant and infinitely synonymous. You're right.

But come Nikon, Pentax and M42 Lens adapter requires no little cost ... .... and work! Old lenses are often on par or better than new, expensive lenses.

Between the Tamron 2.8 (<--!!) and the differences are in existence for Kitlinse! So really ma! FRAUDULENT!



Since this is about music videos playing in the first place the synchronicity involved. ;-)

I mean lip-synchronicity. This has nothing to do with assembly or association or with the guiding principle for Pudovkin contrapuntal work, nor with cinematic continuity. ;-)

Think we have clarified.

You are right I use in my 7D no party batteries. And for good reason.

The digital foreign s.einer Lenses by Canon adapter work very well I know synonymous, synonymous have claimed otherwise. ;-)

I based it all on FD Lenses. Because we are talking of Canon.

That there is a difference of 2.8 to 3.5 to 5.6 gives me is clear. Did the two synonymous not really compare but only said that it is synonymous with the then Kitlinse + IS n n Appel and egg super. Since I have to cough not 200 ¬ fürn Tamron.

Opinions, as always, apart from the remains before.

Greetz



Antwort von Bernd E.:

"Numquam" wrote:
... Since this is about music videos playing primarily a role ... lip synchronicity synchronicity I mean ...

In this context, I have heard the term "synchronicity" honestly never synonymous.
http://www.bet.de/lexikon/begriffe/Lippensynchronitaet.htm



Antwort von PowerMac:

Numquam hear themselves talk.

Especially when it comes to using their own, expensive equipment a pseudo-quality standard to be established. The synonymous and then I can go below 4 and 1.2 KW Arrisun Primes nothing. Great, but that does not work.

The sense of a Steadicam is usually in her cinematic itself as the means it is good especially for beginners, provides adequate, the story or idea beneficial aesthetics have yet to provide for themselves. Steadicam destroyed s.Schnitt the Immanent: the juxtaposition of images is not modified by a new, third in the Picture Association head.
This bores the audience.



Antwort von PowerMac:

And it is a Synchonizität rarest of film scholars, the synchronicity is understandable and correct.



Antwort von UlmsSkyliner:

How ever written, it is ultimately about me only an advisory for a video-DSLR for + / - 1000 ¬ to get, which model is the very best for the price.

Everything else is secondary ersmal and I could not afford me now (Rig, FF, etc.)

And yes my laptop is fairly new, only a few months and this has bought synonymous with an HDMI port.

MfG Chris




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