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Tonaufnahme beim Film mit externem Rekorder

Sound recording in the film with an external recorder



Frage von Blackeagle123:
März 2007

Hallo ihr Lieben,

Project is available at the following: Recording with 2 digital cameras for a short film. The sound is via an external Microphone with Tonangel removed and mixed beforehand. Thereafter, the sound will aufgezcihnet. The sound is as perfect and high quality. So I thought, a laptop with good sound card adapter and so the sound recorded. But just worry that something goes wrong, the laptop might crash or a long time need to make up.

What would you give me for shooting a friend? External Ausiorekorder What should I use? Or, for a term synonymous super sonic a digital camera with microphone input?

Does the sound of course later on the PC capture, so should I use a recorder to borrow, it would be in practice miniDV recorder to take with me the ONLY record sound? (All other media should I get with the recorder of your choice. -> Firewire or USB?)

Many greetings,
Constantin



Antwort von Schleichmichel:

Of course, it's about sound, but robust, secure and FAST, there are probably small and mobile workstation Recorder (perhaps there is indeed synonymous exterior shots).

The topic was so synonymous have often treated the best devices for the case are appropriate.

Otherwise, I recommend a visit to Thomann. Since you will be guaranteed a find.

Saves s.Mikrofonvorverstärker not!



Antwort von Jürgen F.:

Hi Constantin,
what camcorder do you have for disposal and what mixer?
Tell a little more of your projects, then you can give more tips.

Grüße Jürgen F





Antwort von Chezus:

There are certainly a few useful info for you inside http://forum.slashcam.de/tonaufnahme-with-md-rekorder-vt46620.html?highlight =

The M-Audio Micro Track, I have had in their heads. Fairly good test results



Antwort von Blackeagle123:

Hello,

mixer, I use an 8-channel mixer (6x XLR + 2x stereo channels) with equalizer. Was suggested that the use of EURORACK UB1205FX-Pro of Behringer. There may be synonymous another mixer, when you say that I am convinced of something better.
There are of course made a lot of outdoor scenes. mixer with the power to operate but it is not the problem. For the recorder should then have enough power left.

Filming will probably with with 2 JVC GY-DV5000 OR Canon XL2 Movietube inc. Microphones (including windscreens) and Tonangel be dazugeliehen.

Many greetings and up here ever thank you
Constantin



Antwort von beiti:

"Blackeagle123" wrote:
Does the sound of course later on the PC capture, so should I use a recorder to borrow, it would be in practice miniDV recorder to take with me the ONLY record sound? (All other media should I get with the recorder of your choice. -> Firewire or USB?)
Since you're not quite up to date. Most of today's mobile audio recorder to work with CF cards or SD cards. Capture to create.



Antwort von Jürgen F.:

Hi Constantin,
it sounds quite good - your equipment.
Both cameras have yet XLR mic / line inputs, so no problem and match the sound (I assume s.Language) via cable to one of the camcorder to transfer. As far as I know, but both Camera 2 soundtracks with adjustable 16Bit/48khz. That should be sufficient for your claims. If in parallel with 2 cameras will be rotated, you can do both with XLR - signals dine (s.Mixer split), or the 2nd only with the micro camera and run later in the post "Creating syncron".
With all due respect: what do you want to record the sound separately? The TC should be dan-controlled camera to your run. Very expensive.

Or perhaps you turn CONCERT RECORDINGS in the E-field-and we have ignored?

Grüße Jürgen F



Antwort von Blackeagle123:

Hello,

external recording was thought, because the cameras are not so flexible. It is fixing positions for a short film!
(No concert recordings!)
There are dolly rides, even a Kranaufnahme needed.
If a camera is not free (because a dolly at the other s.Kran needed), would you say to a third camera in addition to the mixer is only for sound recording? I do not know if something bothers me and needs to worry again.

There may be an alternative. The sound is so perfect, that he "broadcast" is.

The SD option realtiv sounds good, especially as SD cards can easily read it. There is a P2 option, although I do not then the data on my PC, without the appropriate reader (additional cost, may be turning but s.jedem evening transfer to laptop).
I would be interested in the opportunities arising in the film business have implemented or are about to prevail! ;)

The synchronization is expected by using a flap is relatively easy. Are there any problems, because the sound (as far as I know) at 25p a different recording than in 24f? So more audio frames per second!?
If everything in Adobe later processed. We film 25p! (Camera dependent)

Many greetings
Constantin



Antwort von Blackeagle123:

Hello again,
how many minutes actually fit on a large SD card? I just know the max. 2Gb cards.

Many greetings
Constantin



Antwort von beiti:

"Blackeagle123" wrote:
how many minutes actually fit on a large SD card? I just know the max. 2Gb cards.
If you get the uncompressed sound in stereo, 16 bit and 48 kHz aufnimmst, you need approximately 11 MB per minute. On a 2-GB card fit ie about 3 hours.

Quote:
I would be interested in the opportunities arising in the film business have implemented or are about to prevail!
There's all sorts. The "old hands" of the recording is still synonymous swear on the analog Nagra machines (coil tape recorders). Common alternatives are portable DAT recorder (which is synonymous with time code) in recent devices synonymous with hard drive or flash card. I once synonymous terms, such as film dialogue was recorded on MD. Every sound engineer has his preferences. The finished film you notice the differences are not as long as professional work.

Quote:
The synchronization is expected by using a flap is relatively easy. Are there any problems, because the sound (as far as I know) at 25p a different recording than in 24f? So more audio frames per second!?
No, because there is no difference in the sound recording.



Antwort von Blackeagle123:

Hello,

Thanks for the information. I just had a bit of "DAT" recorders inquired. I have understood that on a digital tape recorded, as synonymous with a normal camera, with the only major difference being that it is lossless.
Can the synonymous data recorder to the PC (eg with Premiere)?
I lose when transferring not much s.Tonqualität (compression?)

Many greetings
Constantin



Antwort von Blackeagle123:

Hello again,

in this paper is that Tongeschwindigkeiten Picture and must be coordinated. Is it now does that sound different recorded in 25p than in 24f?

http://www.movie-college.de/filmschule/ton/synchronitaet.htm

Many greetings
Constantin



Antwort von beiti:

"Blackeagle123" wrote:
I just had a bit of "DAT" recorders inquired. I have understood that on a digital tape recorded, as synonymous with a normal camera, with the only major difference being that it is lossless.
Can the synonymous data recorder to the PC (eg with Premiere)?
I lose when transferring not much s.Tonqualität (compression?)
DV camcorders also feature the sound of loss, as there is between DAT and DV no fundamental difference in quality. Differences are there any before, eg in the quality of Microphone Preamplifier and AD converter. That depends on the individual device, not the standard. In order of DAT loss in the PC to come, you need a sound card with digital input, which is an additional expense.
DAT is a rather old standard (almost as old as the CD), at least since Introduction of the Memory-DAT recorder is for most purposes has become uninteresting (although it still has supporters, but that is so synonymous for vinyl coil and tape recorders).

Quote:
in this paper is that Tongeschwindigkeiten Picture and must be coordinated. Is it now does that sound different recorded in 25p than in 24f?
You just have to play with the same speed, with which you've added synonymous. One problem, there are really only for film cameras, because the alternatively with 25 or 24 frames per second to run, because you must take care in the post the same speed, so the sound will not away. PAL video runs always with 25 frames per second, as you can in the post with the speed nothing wrong.
Basically run independent recording devices never 100.000% synchronously. If we take a very long s.Stück on things, you have maybe some sound-frames rausnehmen or paste, so the sound synonymous hours after the picture fits. For example, between my DV Camera and the MD recorder, I have 1 hours of recording up to 4 frames offset. At least one of the devices running so when you play something slower or faster than the recording, so you need to live.



Antwort von Blackeagle123:

Hello,

because I anyway with a blender in front of the DAT recorder to work, the gain made in the ground no preference. Phantom power also gives me the mixer.
As such, I could theoretically synonymous to a camera to record. (And here would be to note that the time code can be manual!)

What is it with the difference in quality between digital recording on miniDV and SD card?

Many greetings
Constantin



Antwort von beiti:

"Blackeagle123" wrote:
What is it with the difference in quality between digital recording on miniDV and SD card?
If you get the SD recorder can record uncompressed theoretically None, therefore only on the analog signal processing on. As you gain at the mixer and directly make a line-signal deliver, the differences are irrelevant. It should be noted would be that the camcorder input line must have.



Antwort von Blackeagle123:

Hello,

all the camcorder has a stereo microphone jack on jack.
I think that a line input is? Or is there a camcorder by the built-in preamp sound "worse" does?

Many greetings
Constantin



Antwort von beiti:

"Blackeagle123" wrote:
all the camcorder has a stereo microphone jack on jack.
I think that a line input is? Or is there a camcorder by the built-in preamp sound "worse" does?
Just as it is. Microphone inputs expect microphone level and strengthen much more. Since you can not just pull out the line-output of the mixer dranhängen.
Qualitatively Holst you through the Mischpunlt just what happens when the real camcorder line has input (ie the Microphone preamplifier can handle). This is just a few tips camcorders the case.
While there are detours to mixer with still being able to work (attenuation of the line signal to mic level), but this is a stopgap measure.



Antwort von Blackeagle123:

Well, since the equipment will be borrowed anyway, but it is perhaps useful to return to the DAT recorder back. It costs me less than an SD card recorder and offers good sound quality. The question that still remains is the duration of the Batteries and tapes which the device is required. (Well, I think special DAT tapes? How much a cartridge, how many minutes exactly fit on one?)

Many greetings
Constantin



Antwort von beiti:

"Blackeagle123" wrote:
Well, since the equipment will be borrowed anyway, but it is perhaps useful to return to the DAT recorder back. It costs me less than an SD card recorder and offers good sound quality.
Which brings us back but in the original land question, why do not you sound like on a camcorder aufnimmst. The next top of your models (JVC GY-DV5000 and Canon XL2) should have line-level input and thus in the DAT recording quality does not stand by and watch.



Antwort von Blackeagle123:

Hey,

only are the rents for an interested third parties Camera too high. A DAT recorder is much cheaper per day. I also have the option of the time code to better control (I hope ;-))!

It remains only the question of the tapes, so their playing time and price per piece. Perhaps then calculated after 5 days of filming with the camera rather miniDV.

Many greetings,
Constantin



Antwort von beiti:

Quote:
I also have the option of the time code to better control (I hope ;-))!
That will not use here (I think). ;)

Quote:
It remains only the question of the tapes, so their playing time and price per piece.
When I last used around 1997 did, they were below 5 Mark (120-minute cassette). Today you have been with 5 a.m. to 10 p.m. euros, which are still about as common as super-8-films.
Then you should you still worry, as you the material can get into the calculator. Sound card with digital input are not cheap (s.Ende you have to go the analog route), and the import is only possible in real time.




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