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Welche Kamera für Kurzfilm (HD, HDV, Semiprofi!)

Which camera for Short Film (HD, HDV, semi-professional!)



Frage von Jules Winnfield:
Mai 2006

Hello,

what camera should I get for a Kurzfilprojekt? Here are a few criteria:

because I have plenty of experiences with the camera (EB) I thought s.den Semiprofibereich, in plain text entry-level HD cameras like the AG-HVX200.

The HVX200 synonymous, I've already been tested once in HD mode and was thrilled. Is the issue only if my calculator that can handle only partly synonymous. (Is there a meaningful way with Offline-Schnitt/EDL? From If yes, how about with EDL and Color Correction?)

Have a P4, 2.8 Ghz, 1GB RAM upgrade (to 2GB no problem)

But maybe that is synonymous totally exaggerated and totally sufficient HDV ...?

Come out here is a VERY good-looking DVD picture, to hire synonymous later a HD-DVD. Aurf no way I want a clipped PAL Picture.

The film is synonymous run on Festivals and look a bit like a "movie" ...

Ah yes, Aspect ratio: 16:9 or wider.

Hopefully, the question was not asked too vague.



Antwort von Markus:

Hi Jules,

You have actually answered your question already. The HVX200 can I find synonymous class, especially since they record in DVCProHD. (Consumer HDV is unsympatisch me somehow).

There remains the question of memory, as P2 cards are very expensive, and allows even the 8 GB version with only a few minutes of HD recording. But there are synonymous Festplattenrecorder Gates of Fire (in preparation?) And of itself, the Panasonic is not synonymous to have at a bargain price, but sooo expensive again not synonymous. Especially if the Comparison of P2 recording sees.

There then remains the question with the performance of your PC. Since I have to adjust, however, since I) with post-processing of HD (V was not more fully employed.



Antwort von PowerMac:

So I edit DVCROHD on my little 1.6 GHz G5 with good.

On the PC, which does not look as good. Unfortunately, you need a good editing system and a very fast PC. Avid Edius and so far only ...





Antwort von Jules Winnfield:

@ PowerMac:
you edit the 1080i material the HVX200?

I have Edius and Avid. I climb increasingly Edius at (Avid will stop requiring the examination and has somehow established itself as the default). Edius is much more resource saving, Avid brakes brutal and has a pitiful level of service. I now had to get rid times.

Comic situation at present: if you nen HDTV film has rotated, he is caught erstmal until further notice on the hard drive ...



Antwort von PowerMac:

"Jules Winnfield" wrote:
Comic situation at present: if you nen HDTV film has rotated, he is caught erstmal until further notice on the hard drive ...


What do you mean by that?



Antwort von jeantier:

Vegas 6 is synonymous for HD as a more acceptable solution fürn Edit aufn PC



Antwort von PowerMac:

Vegas and HD? Not really. The so little support for what ...



Antwort von jeantier:

@ powermac
I have followed your contributions today times,
You're really fit ...

Regarding the amount of data is apparently yet.

I had received two plates delivered raw material,
a classic with TC and downsized with Black Magic,
on the other was still the Direct Export
from the Mac. Actually a Mißverständins, but it went away.

Now, however, I must say that I is not on
had taken any codecs etc, but I like to check
again after. I am interested in fact synonymous.



Antwort von jeantier:

So thread back.

Yes it was (once) HD, but no 1080s and it has
encoded as Quicktime with Black Magic.

In response, I checked again and am
encountered following

"As the material is captured with Vegas, depends basically from less than Vegas experience of the camera. You can eg HDV recording an HDV camera is usually synonymous as DV in Vegas and spend the first cut with the DV -- Materials do. then share via an automated batch capture again the data as HDV capture in Vegas by script and against the HDV data.

Another way is to Vegas with the first (any) HD-read material from it but then again small, either automatically by script to render proxy files that are later replaced with the HD originals, but can render or intermediates, with where the entire process without redemption is made.

If it were of the HVX200 DVCPro HD, then you would convert the transferred material on the hard drive with Raylight into a proxy and make the change-overs with Raylight.

Depending on what type of HD material it is, but the preservation of memory and hard disks not the issue, but rather the discharge of the CPU when decoding. (Mark) "

and ...

"Raylight is s.HD codec for Windows that is compatible with the Panasonic HVX200 camera. It will work with any application that supports VfW (Video for Windows) such s.Premiere, After Effects, or Vegas, And Allows native, real-time editing of DVCPRO HD DVCPRO50, DV and other formats, even with s.inexpensive and older computer editing software.

Raylight comes with a simple application called Raymakers which converts the MXF files from the camera's P2 card into Raylight AVI.

Raylight can also be used ssintermediate (editing) codec for HDV cameras. "



Antwort von Spielverderber:

When I read phrases like "The film is synonymous run on Festivals and look a little like" film "..." it shook me. No objection to shoot a short film. But perhaps we should begin to develop an idea, the formal requirements (yes, considerations such as 16:9 or wider "synonymous belong to) to derive and organize the production. Finally, turn the thing on and fight their way through the Postpruduction too. If all went well, and others can be as synonymous with the outcome even start something, THEN you can think carefully about the first time about bringing his work to a festival or, better still wait for you until the significance of his film has spread and there will be invited. Filmmaking is (actually) a profession and film festivals are not Dilettantentreffen. Nobody in the world, incidentally, came up with the idea after reading the "Observations of pharmacy" to open a medical practice and hold presentations at medical congresses want to - Have you ever thought about why?



Antwort von jeantier:

It's all funny @ spoilsport in terms of ideas, here's some posts that are very technology-dependent. But the question was synonymous technology specific.

And Jules wrote synonymous
Quote:
"Hopefully, the question was not asked too vague."


Nevertheless, I would regard the question of the "film looks" like to refer again.

When I had seen "Vidoque" I was thrilled one part of the digital recording, on the other confused. Everything was fantastic staging, where nothing is as it should be, pure Kafkaesque and yet everything had a surreal clear and pure to look - video rather than film. In "Episode 2" I was shocked the popcorn stuck in the throat as the relentless focus most of VFX, as such, unmasked, whereas in "Collateral," the contemplation of some digital pictures of Dion Beebe and Paul Cameron, enthusiastic.

But a good story is synonymous with a thumb-cinema.

Remains open to what is ultimately not mean film look. The One want your grain that (your existing space, others are more surreal timbre usually the directors of the drama in favor), while others want to lose the benefit of clarity s.der iota of originality of their images () usually the cameramen.

If, like me, has mostly artificial images s.Originalmaterial adapt or alienate the extent that it was in any case not care how they were recorded, I am reminded again and again to this question.

What today does film look?

If filmlook not breadth, depth, detail, materials, skills and commitment of all together.?

Or is film moving pictures in endless scenarios of digital alienation.

This forum polarized, where one thinks too much knowledge emerges as an ignoramus, where it was thought to know nothing, they know more than one entrusts himself.

But what motivates synonymous always to encourage the questioner, it is an issue of it.

Some deal with understanding, others are ungrateful, some koketieren help others ...

But no preference, it is a forum. Juels said, I think he has learned a lot. Constructive criticism is always desirable.

Some are so professional that it intimidates others so succinctly that it hurts, but somehow, most are a real enrichment.



Antwort von Jules Winnfield:

Well, Mr. spoilsport, I can only describe as such, or as arrogant and hasty.

1. Treatment already exists.
2. I have (at least some) experience. In plain language: I just put on the final exam in media design Picture and Sound. In my company I have already resulted in an estimated 80 EB-shoot camera, etc.
3. I was at festivals) (as a spectator and even synonymous to assess the quality of realism shown there. Clear that I am not of "Cannes" talk!

Again, the specification of my original question:

With "film look" I mean primarily the following:
greater dynamic range than DV.
Higher resolution
shallow depth
larger color gamut

In HDTV, I see a relatively simple means of the lousy PAL Resolutionwegzukommen. Specifically, the fall festival at me with DV Shooting negative) on (on the big screen.
In itself it is a trashy comedy, the "trash" will not Of the lousy quality DV-come, but as back projection of less skilled in driving a car, etc. The viewer should be reminded of the picture quality rather than s.16mm s. any PAL-SD / DV stuff.

On average, I consider whether my processor creates. I understand from the answers but there are probably meaningful ways datasets of 1GB/min. reduced by format change in advance.



Antwort von Jules Winnfield:

Drive caught with "HD on hard" I meant that you can not play with it a justifiable expense, since the HD-DVD for example, is missing. If either HDV, so rather moderate and still not widespread. Or a sinfully expensive tape format.
And with savings of imaging has "not doing much synonymous to ...

So what would you play for SMALLER festivals? DVD? HDV / MiniDV?



Antwort von PowerMac:

Okay. I have plenty of synonymous EB experience. Which can be transmitted poorly to Playwriting.

A larger space or larger dynamic range will not reach you with HD. The depth of field is very large. Sometimes greater than DV in standard definition. Although, I have to respeak itself. The HVX200 offers a very beautiful picture. The dynamic range is not synonymous bad, the color performancewiederrum is pretty good. Very cinematic. Pleasant colors.

I can tell you that I would take Equipement s.deiner body:

HVX200
HDD Recorder
Redrock M2 adapter
Festbrennprimes a sentence (eg DigiPrime) of WW to telephoto zoom, and a good rent for the rotation
DVC PRO HD at 25p to turn on 720th When taking specific shots synonymous views 50p ...
Cut on Final Cut Pro 5 With DVC PRO HD. Titling with Motion and DVD authoring with DVD Studio Pro as HD-DVD.
In the end, you have ne HD-DVD and maybe you can still play at DVC PRO HD or HDCAM. If SD, then there are certainly ne Digibeta VTR.

So much for Camera + Editing



Antwort von Spielverderber:

"The less expert audience will be reminded more s.16mm in image quality than s.irgendein PAL-SD / DV stuff."

For this statement, I would refrain of the final examination in media design picture-and sound, because it shows either total ignorance or naivete of: Why is the enormous effort of a film production to 16 or 35 mm if it synonymous from the wrist and at the lowest technical level and is still looks as if?
I would fill the "lousy PAL resolution" Once with content - crucial is whether it has something to tell! - Exploit and the given technical possibilities, rather than dreaming of a big movie-making, except as a spectator ...



Antwort von Jules Winnfield:

@ PowerMac:
thank you for the concrete Antorten!

@ Spoilsport:
What have you got a problem?
Can you still be damn who I'm with my short film "troubling."
What should such statements, in substance as: "Shoot your first movie with kindly shitty DV material." And in the same posting then indirectly to recommend use 16 or 35 mm?
Moreover, I have not written that I am looking for a magic trick that makes the HD look like real Filmmateriel, so I said, synonymous of "less knowledgeable audience." It is clear, 35mm is much better. (3-7K, color space, Gradiation etc.) but synonymous clear that there is not an option for beginners. The question "how do I get a good picture with a reasonable effort, is the cinema-like" is certainly not new, and completely legitimate.

Perhaps someone can explain to me once, was so objectionable about it is make a short film on HD want, instead of DV?

As a spectator, I am angry not only about lousy stories, but lousy picture quality on synonymous ...



Antwort von jabone:

Viewed rumnörgeln should not really, but as I've seen a spoilsport, he wanted to tell you that you can have no matter how great technology. If you're a Beginners and / or do not understand the film, ranging synonymous s.Anafng a MiniDV camera.

And I do not know who told you this, but PAL is not awful. It is not as good as HDV Ábær it is not awful. I jtzt since 3 weeks, the GS 500 of the Panasonic and produces really nice video, not at all awful.
And remember, all synonymous movies on DVD and all the programs on TV (yet) are in PAL, and watch out the lousy? No! Of course, they were produced with professional cameras rotated /, but this shows me that PAL is quite good, synonymous today.
Because I like to be pressed quality, with the feature films on DVD



Antwort von Schleichmichel:

I have often noticed that Digibeta has provided a very good image quality at festivals. One of these contributions was recorded on S / W, where one has picked up of the low Resolutionnoch less (at the film's rather the other way around). Content, but things were slack. Easy to test times, which is better. It is indeed synonymous s.vielen intermediate transfer methods, and how much quality from the original material remains.

The spoil is freaked out, because (the entrance if one thread on it) port offers so much attack.



Antwort von jeantier:

This is synonymous - .- I think less about you.

I think basically all just angenervt because digital technology has become synonymous Schreckgesprenst one. Because the public views looking away quickly, that there are no stories but often gets a big foam battle offered. Because many things are just stuck behind a visual look.

"IS THE BEST COVER STILL TO BE NAKED"

In the center is the story and it should, I think, do not look unbeding as s.Eaton at "The Doctor and the love of cattle or the house of Place." Being synonymous here found the rudientären, comprehensible stories an audience that was far from morose, about the look, but it has ignored it. You get used to the ARD s.sovieles character Langnese characters and much more.

At a festival heard that, what someone wants to place there. And how he does it and how it informs, it should already be his thing.

For he alone and no other has to bear the consequences to be, so he must decide on its own synonymous, what and how he wants to do it.



Antwort von Jules Winnfield:

However that may be synonymous, I'll try most times with HD / HDV.
Has led me to the following:
DV: Quality insgesamtfür my claims too weak (DVX100 still quite OK)

Beta SP, DigiBeta: Beautiful colors, great chips) (blur, but rather expensive and rather impractical without MAZ. Advantages: I know myself from it.

HVX200 HDV ...: Nicer color as a DV (I only know the HVX200). Sharpness / blur is due to higher medium-Optics Resolutionund better advantage. Easy to edit (Firewire), using similar technology expenses as DV. And at least in the beta Resolutioneiner even superior to the (do not make the colors / contrast range but not quite compensate at least a minor point)

Movie: have no experience and too expensive.

Again, the tone here: In the other forums where I rumtreiben (other subjects) is one more friendly and tolerant. Is my very subjective impression synonymous when I read other threads here. As was correctly identified it is unfortunately so often in his statements little "attack offer" because with is "expected attacks" on. Those who explodes when reading the word "film look" already, which should probably buy a sandbag or leave the other answers.



Antwort von jeantier:

I only went the same way
Sometimes it's revierpinkeln, sometimes just
Only just ... Roughnecks. But forums are just it for da
say what you think and know ...

Basically, it's ok but already here and so you were not even attacked. On average I read more pros for what you have initiated with your question .... as the Contras

And if the wind with the sand bag was meant for me, but time ran at the top of my pros and I was simply interested in the topic, which had cih made a thread with it.



Antwort von jabone:

But I think with the HVX 200 is nothing you can do about flasch of film look. Which will now indeed be used even of famous Morosani, because it goes FIlm (look) comes closest.
So if that is important, then they take it.
Moreover, DVCPRO HD is easier to edit because it is less compressed than HDV, but the fact synonymous larger ...



Antwort von Acer:

"jabon" wrote:
But I think with the HVX 200 is nothing you can do about flasch of film look. Which will now indeed be used even of famous Morosani, because it goes FIlm (look) comes closest.


Since we had arrived at our club philosophy of the dead thieves ;-)
Ciao




Antwort von Markus:

"Jules Winnfield" wrote:
Again, the tone here: In the other forums where I rumtreiben (other subjects) is one more friendly and tolerant.

Hi Jules,

I can not complain about the tone of slashCAM in general. Maybe it pushes the current weather on your mood?

Eighth time to go out of whom personal attacks: Most any of the anonymous guests who are only out to foment, dispute, or someone cut down. Trolls come in all the forums and in such a crowded like this one even more so. 'Just ignore them. This is the worst thing you can do to them. ;-)

And then there are the classic charm synonymous topics. "Film Look" is one of them, since many "260 ¬-camcorder-video enthusiasts" with the quality of their "free-hand-herumgezoomt not blurred" shots are satisfied with their questions and give the impression that with one (but please free!) Small program The films would suddenly look like in Hollywood. - Welcome to reality! ;-)

I was by your question and the local information, but not the impression that this case applies to you. Limit yourself to just the people who give you objective advice and ignore 'the anonymous troublemakers. It's like with the background noise: Just a small portion in the useful signal. ;-)



Antwort von jeantier:

Thanks @ Acer ... lol,

Hey Juels,

if it's with the movies has come, let me know times when one
And where you can see what ...

Quote:
And then there are the classic charm synonymous topics. "Film Look" is one of them, since many "260 ¬-camcorder-video enthusiasts" with the quality of their "free-hand-herumgezoomt not blurred" shots are satisfied with their questions and give the impression that with one (but please free!) Small program The films would suddenly look like in Hollywood. - Welcome to reality! ;-)


And just that happened to me about the discussion in the other thread to start, Mark has been like getting to the point ...



Antwort von steveb:

man as a crap .... now everyone has something in this thread said menno .... .... except me. And there is nothing ... purely synonymous garnix, what I might add ;-)



Antwort von jeantier:

without you now (please Roughnecks) steveb misunderstand, but it can be a thread there that you love the last "have to"

;-)



Antwort von steveb:

now you got him ..... almost had! :-)



Antwort von Schleichmichel:

Quote:
Again, the tone here ...


But since I still know ne so sweet Page of "directors" ^ _ ^



Antwort von PowerMac:

"jean tier" wrote:
Thanks @ Acer ... lol,

Hey Juels,

if it's with the movies has come, let me know times when one
And where you can see what ...

Quote:
And then there are the classic charm synonymous topics. "Film Look" is one of them, since many "260 ¬-camcorder-video enthusiasts" with the quality of their "free-hand-herumgezoomt not blurred" shots are satisfied with their questions and give the impression that with one (but please free!) Small program The films would suddenly look like in Hollywood. - Welcome to reality! ;-)


And just that happened to me about the discussion in the other thread to start, Mark has been like getting to the point ...


OT: Can you please pack your Enthusismus something more appealing? I find extremely difficult to read such posting. Body text is better and clearer. These threads are extremely long since Friday!



Antwort von wolfgang:

"PowerMac" wrote:
Vegas and HD? Not really. The so little support for what ...


How do you get the opinion on this? And do not overlook that Vegas is synonymous before upgrading to version 7.

And for the rest I'll tell even more nothing - except: slashcam degenerates seem more and more, under completely senseless Streiterein like this. Pity. Whatever may lie obs s.Gästen now or registered users.
: (



Antwort von PowerMac:

This is not opinion but fact.
http://www.sonymediasoftware.com/Products/showproduct.asp?PID=965&FeatureID=8195

Vegas supports HDV and uncompressed HD (8 bits) in NTSC Freqzenzen (I have never found something to 25p/50i in HD).
No HD in 10 or 12 bits. So no Arri D20 or Viper. No HDCAM SR.
No DVCPROHD. No Varicam with different frame rates.
No XDCAM HD. No HD-DVD or Blu-ray support in DVD Archtitect.

I have nothing against Vegas. On the PC it gives me much better than Premiere;)



Antwort von Jules Winnfield:

So now I feel myself so again really well;)
No, seriously, specifically in this thread was only the anonymous "spoilsport" meant) (synonymous with the sandbag.

The short film I sign up then of course again. It lasts still.



Antwort von wolfgang:

@ Powermac,

htmlTOC.html caution with the fast horses - I synonymous write anything about Macs, because I know nothing about it. Even in Vegas 5, there is a nice template "HD 1080-50i (1920x1080, 25 fps) for the project settings, and Rausrendern the material can be synonymous in this format.

To DVC PRO HD Sonymal said in the forum, one must have a codec in the system - then that would go. Ich habs are not checked. But with Cineform Connect HD is supported in Vegas of synonymous editing of the HVX200.

http://www.cineform.com/products/ConnectHD.htm#CHD_Features

For some of the other can score and I can not say anything, and the Vegas7 DVDA-4 are still under development.



Antwort von PowerMac:

Well, with additional software ...
Not very enticing.



Antwort von jeantier:

If I did not oversleep again, I can see tomorrow the presentation of Vegas7 ... I hold you up to date ...

And yesterday was already in there

Quote:
If it were of the HVX200 DVCPro HD, then you would convert the transferred material on the hard drive with Raylight into a proxy and make the change-overs with Raylight.


Quote:
"Raylight is s.HD codec for Windows that is compatible with the Panasonic HVX200 camera. It will work with any application that supports VfW (Video for Windows) such s.Premiere, After Effects, or Vegas, And Allows native, real-time editing of DVCPRO HD DVCPRO50, DV and other formats, even with s.inexpensive and older computer editing software.




Antwort von universl:

@ powermac

In 720/25p, and 720/50p DVCPRO HD without additional software in Final Cut Pro .... somehow not there. not very tempting. just go through the detour of the stream conversion to 30p. is uncool.



Antwort von PowerMac:

"UNIVERSL" wrote:
@ powermac

In 720/25p, and 720/50p DVCPRO HD without additional software in Final Cut Pro .... somehow not there. not very tempting. just go through the detour of the stream conversion to 30p. is uncool.


true! But what you really want to say?



Antwort von wolfgang:

"PowerMac" wrote:
Well, with additional software ...
Not very enticing.


Not everything requires an additional software will be in Vegas / require additional software. Only parts of it.

And obviously it's no different in Final Cut Pro, as I understand, universal - and I suspect he just wanted to say that.

Ok, so it is quite clear that you buy in any case always be part - no preference on which platform.



Antwort von jeantier:

Shit've slept yet, so nothing with V7




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