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Jugendlicher sucht Camcorder für Urlaub (Snowboard), etc.

Young people looking for holiday camcorder (snowboard), etc.



Frage von .cowboy:
September 2007

Heydi,

for the coming winter, I would like good in terms of tech Nick prepare. Have to leave this snowboard on a camcorder festzuahalten. However, in this area still do not really know much.

It is important to me the one that the videos are in really good film quality. For me, this is actually one of the most important things. The film quality should be really very very good, so that synonymous could easily distinguish whether this is with a digital camera or camcorder has been.
In addition, optical zoom is important. Had there so thought p.40-fold. Battery life should be relatively long, so not on the piste snowboarding runs out of juice.

Did this Camc. found and find it for my knowledge and very good enough for me: SonyDCR-DVD 106 E

I would be looking over your deliberations. mfG

http://www.ciao.de/Sony_DCR_DVD_106_E__2509225



Antwort von jansi:

404ERR



Antwort von .cowboy:

Hello,

thanks for the quick reply. Super.

Even if the 40 trade Camera optical zoom and has almost too much and thereby shake the images, says it's not that I just zoomed through the area running;)! I will of course most of the normal recording mode take.

The price should not go above 500 ¬. Would like but for this price really enjoy the best priced camcorder.

What are the differences come to me when I record in HD? I think, therefore I will be by the picture quality not much better run on my DVD / memory bring, right? Is the quality difference very strong?

Later, I would in any case, the Filmed s.PC edit. Am now in the Edit sooo not fit and my stuff is not on the cinema screen hike, but should be somewhat sophisticated editing (incl. music, transitions, fonts, effects, etc.) is possible.

Of course I want to take this camcorder not only for use this winter. Also for future moments like the coming summer (skateboarding, Badesession with s.See friends, etc.) it will certainly be used. Could you / me various Cams propose to use in my question?
What I would like to make in response: Good sound quality is synonymous important synonymous because I like playing acoustic guitar and often record these wishes. mfG








Antwort von Tim-Taylor-derKamera;P:

Good sound quality = External Micro, Micro means external connection!

To edit DVD is not so good, it would tend to mini-DV recording.

Lg fabian



Antwort von jansi:

I personally would only minDV (because of the qualitative) take.
There is a camcorder that your price is [only] 29 ¬ EXCEED: NV-GS230
Has 10 times (but, as I think, entirely sufficient
in 4:3 mode 3x800 000 pixels.
Unfortunately, only the EIS (electronic image stabilizer
Micro you would in any case an external, the camcorder microphones are designed for acoustic guitar nix, there is the drive noise (quiet) are listening.
Yes, HD is something else entirely. HD Television Without you there is not much of.
Are you the Pana GS230 times so look, but looks quite good in terms of image quality



Antwort von jansi:

hm, was probably a faster: P



Antwort von Tim-Taylor-derKamera;P:

The NV-GS230 would be certainly a consideration for your rights!

10-fold and is quite sufficient and even at this focal it easy to shake, it would be synonymous a Schulterstaiv empfehelen!

Try here:
http://www.videoaktiv.de/component/option,com_camcorderdb/Itemid,107/

Gruß Fabian



Antwort von jansi:

Exactly! I have a shoulder synonymous tripod is indispensable
Check it out here



Antwort von Schleichmichel:

Apart from this, that a perverse oversized focal area is simply not good for the image quality is. Leg Dir (if needed) better converter to a teleporter.

And of DVD camcorders must be precisely in this case recommended, because you probably synonymous plan, with the camera on the slopes to ride. Get ready for a beer out of the backpack after a descent open? Sun, and now a CD burn times and shake a bit s.Gehäuse. Sure, the DVD camcorder more shock abdämpfen, but only to a certain extent.

Even with MiniDV, you can and then when screen with errors expected. I had so far in the winter holidays only good experience with Digiknipsen (a Casio, digicam for a very good video recording ... but hochkomprimiert and NTSC), Hi8 and 16mm on the slopes. From the latter, quite apart, Hi8 is more away, as a digital camcorder. When capturing you should but a Timebase Corrector-have, since the damned Picture wobbles.



Antwort von .cowboy:

Hello,

So again thank you for the answers. So pretty much the most here are of the opinion that I should myself prefer a miniDV growth than one that burns to DVD. Wieso denn genau? What is better and how do I get the anschleißend Recorded on the PC?

Again the optical zoom. Just because it has 40x, it's still a long way that I use it constantly. Suffers quality synonymous even lower, if it is only built?

mfG



Antwort von jansi:

DVD to be compressed must be more cutting-To decompress quality loss ...
From MiniDV cam via firewire on a PC.
You stiffen at 40x you so: The best is if you do not zoom.
A permanent plan free zooming nervt.
BTW: Even with OIS and shoulder stand, I sometimes have problems with 10x magnification.
So forget the s.besten Cam, you've suggested, it is for your purposes is not well suited



Antwort von .cowboy:

Hello,

So in any case a MiniDV cam. How long can I record on good to very good quality? As against all 40x zoom and are "only" of talking about problems, it's probably some truth.

OIS should I use for smooth shooting probably synonymous, or?

Earlier was something of the NV-GS230 written. Would be a good part for me, synonymous or not?

Do not incidentally, Firewire more s.meinem PC. If a big problem there? mfG








Antwort von UlmsSkyliner:

. "cowboy" wrote:


Do not incidentally, Firewire more s.meinem PC. If a big problem there? mfG

No, you buy a firewire card (around 10 ¬) and the associated cables, build them into your computer, then this problem is solved.
Simply slot in a free sliding screw.
fully easy ....
mfg chris



Antwort von Akira:

The largest consumer beginner errors in the camcorder selection: cheap, big zoom, small, many (mega) pixel, DVD (is ja soo coool). But exactly what are the marketing tricks to bad parts for sale.

1) Giant zoom -> weitwinkel usually smaller, poorer optical quality.

2) small, may be handy, but stability suffers bild -> Still Image harder to keep

3) many (mega) pixel, the more pixels on a small area are desdo worse Lowlight the images (more noise). So better large CCD / CMOS with (as close as possible) number of matching pixel on the recording format.

4) DVD may be Enddistributionsformat as well, but not as original. MiniDVDs keep in DVDcamcordern perhaps grad mal 2 GB, a MiniDV tape on the other hand, 13 GB (60min SP). Then for editing or DVD "ripped", so again the loss of quality already worsening. And in retrospect, it is synonymous with quiet scenes possible to determine exactly when the data from the buffer to the disc was written. MiniDV höhrt is synonymous but in sounds, but is always there, not just every few seconds, thus: External Micro in both cases!

HD: You can see the difference even at a screen with more than 720x576 pixels can show, so most computer screens.



Antwort von Akira:

How would it with the Panasonic SDR-150 S?
Okay .. they exceed the limit of 500 euros, aaaber:

Shake it loose is gone. The video is recorded to SD. Post goes with USB or card reader, then there would be relatively good stereo mic and of course 3 CCD. You should get yourself a look at the Cam ... my subjective impression in the electric market was very good. In addition, the Cam is very small. Kannste loose ALWAYS are.

Greeting



Antwort von jansi:

Quote:
small, may be handy, but stability suffers bild -> Still Image harder to keep


In addition to strong compression: After finishing a bad picture again.
The Micro is probably the sound of the birds on more than one.



Antwort von robin1990:

yes because you can be a GS500 or HV20, which then took a real synonymous, synonymous better optics and external mic inputs have.



Antwort von .cowboy:

Hello,

I will now not be honest to the ¬ 500 limit soo stiffen, so that my wishes;) not properly met. What keeps her of the
Panasonic NV-GS500. Have the camera pretty much seen everything, what's going on here in this thread of you suggested, right? Would be glad if you give me on this camera which you could say in how far they are good or bad. Thanks in advance. mfG



Antwort von robin1990:

I imagine it would take s.deiner! which is super



Antwort von jansi:

It is however very good.
Focus Ring
OIS
3CCD
12x optical
LEICA Dicomar Lens
...
Another important aspect is, I think the Viewfinder-up, is synonymous well s.Auge.



Antwort von .cowboy:

It sounds like you. What does it mean for 3CCD?








Antwort von jansi:

The chips (CCD or CMOS) are for the purpose of this 3 times in it.
3 CCDs for the three basic colors: Consequently, it is not so quickly to a Grünstichigen film, the quality is generally better



Antwort von .cowboy:

Achso okay. Thank you.

Is it for me is a better model than this camera? Who, what is not good s.dieser Camera is or what would be better for this price ratios? Would like to know if this really is one of the best for my needs at this price. mfG



Antwort von Schleichmichel:

Whether for yourself a more suitable camcorder there, you find yourself. Anyway, shortly after coming of the Canon HV20. And that's pretty much the best HDV camera for the narrow wallet.

However synonymous again 1-chip.

Otherwise you should synonymous times the tables of the smaller models with the Panasonic NV-GS500 Compare what you need for haelen. If you think want to know in detail what only forums search, then Google and if it has nothing (which I am in the Panasonic 3CCD debates that were already here can not imagine): ask here again.



Antwort von UlmsSkyliner:

or you take
the nv-gs 320 panasonic Of



Antwort von .cowboy:

Hello,

thanks for the tip. Did I just viewed it and must say that they are not "much" worse than the 500s, and this still about 350 ¬ price difference exists. Can I perhaps others still striking and significant differences of these two models say? mfG



Antwort von Schleichmichel:

"The author of this posting" wrote:
Otherwise you should synonymous times the tables of the smaller models with the Panasonic NV-GS500 Compare what you need for haelen. If you think want to know in detail what only forums search, then Google and if it has nothing (which I am in the Panasonic 3CCD debates that were already here can not imagine): ask here again.


Either you've missed this story (which is why I copied it to you again and have highlighted the important) or simply ignored. I do at times daring the latter and think the same then s.jetzt with Dir



Antwort von UlmsSkyliner:

. "cowboy" wrote:
Hello,

thanks for the tip. Did I just viewed it and must say that they are not "much" worse than the 500s, and this still about 350 ¬ price difference exists. Can I perhaps others still striking and significant differences of these two models say? mfG

-500 Has a focus ring
and a connection for an external micro -
larger -
-4.0 Megapixel photos nv gs 320 3.1 megapixel photos
leica-Dicomar objective with the 12x optical zoom nv gs 320 Leica Dicomar obejektiv with 10x optical zoom
accessory shoe for active nv-gs 320 passive
built-in lightning -

mfg chris



Antwort von DoBBy:

Hi,

If you do not have a camcorder have risen, I give you my experience here and s.with my Panasonic GS230.

So the picture is me (thanks 3CCD) very positively impressed. Unfortunately, it only EIS (Electronic Image Stabilization) and it is only in 4:3 mode, so if you want 16:9 filming, what this camcorder can also, you have to forgo the Image Stabilization. But I think even the electronic Bildstb. already causes a great deal. Even if you 10x full reinzoomst and a bit of practice you're in the camera position, shake your picture almost did not. Optical zoom means (according to my knowledge) that you have this model up to 10 times zoom can, without the image quality suffers. Everything beyond drüber (50fach; 500fach) is digital zoom and affects the image quality. That means up to 10 times, you can safely reinzoomen. Also indispensable are the MiniDV tapes, because the image is stored s.Besten. On DVD (as already mentioned) and if you compress your pictures of the MiniDV cassette lossless digital copy on your PC do you need (also mentioned above) a Firewire port.

Conclusion: The Panasonic GS230 is sufficient in my opinion for ambitious amateur filmmakers from more than delivers, thanks to an impressive 3CCD color and quality thanks to its external microphone port can even connect an external microphone for better sound quality.

My recommendation s.dich: From Page from my only friend, think about it, I think the price is justified synonymous. You are in any event ever on the secure page.

Many greetings



Antwort von Markus73:

"Dobby" wrote:
[...] Optical Image Stabilization means (according to my knowledge) that you have this model up to 10 times zoom can, without the image quality suffers.

Hm, I'm here would disagree. Sooo good, the optical stabilizer of Panasonic again not synonymous. After everything I've tested so far, I would say: at 10-fold zoom without tripod wobbles's always.

Otherwise: Good description!

Gruß,
Markus (who uses a 180, almost identical to 230)








Antwort von DoBBy:

@ Mark: Sorry, yes you're right. I was prescribed, I really wanted to say:

Optical zoom means that you are up to 10x zoom can, without the image quality suffers.

With the whole image has nothing to do, as Mark has quite as it wobbles sometimes synonymous with 10-fold without a tripod.

Greeting



Antwort von .cowboy:

Hey Hey,

for 'good year nem meld me again. I would have to handle a few questions. Until now I've always in my videos Magix Video Deluxe 07 (Windows), edited and so am actually quite good mileage. If, however, synonymous Mac available;), giving a total course stabilder runs. However, I've only iMovie.

Should I generally prefer to edit on Windows or Mac? I could make the two synonymous, by saying eg. Windows me the material of the pull miniDV and then edited in Mac (because I believe the quality when importing iMovie is not the best). mfG



Antwort von deti:

Without again a MacOS X / Windows debate lostreten want to as long as you the functionality of Magix enough, I see no need for action. So stay with Magix, Get maybe an upgrade to the new version - so you can see it with VirtualBox or Parallels on the Mac.
A switch to FCE is more difficult, because you still need strong transition. On top of FCE but cost significantly more than Magix.

Deti




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