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Frage von michiwoi:
Mai 2008

Hi folks,

I have my sister for her wedding with my parents along the Canon HF100 camcorder gift. Now she is in search of a computer with which they watch the videos simply can edit. Say: s.Computer watch individual scenes and the cut can be read only of where to where they should be used in the film without any crossfades.
I would be in a position to the computer itself to assemble and to misery, I could tell him synonymous moderately over clock.
Interesting would be synonymous to know what software you do in this case suggests, or is the supplied software (Image Mixer 3 SE) is sufficient, Nero 8 with Nero Vision synonymous stands still available. The films are either normal DVD's or convert AVCHD DVD 's or be burned again back on the SD card to it with the Camera on the FullHD-Fehrseher issue.
There are a maximum of 900 ¬ for the complete calculator available.

Thank you ever s.Alle.

Michi



Antwort von Chrissigorn123:

Pinnacle Studio 11 plus cuts AVCHD material with a good calculator very performat. Did the program yesterday in Blödmarkt bought for 50 euros.

... and for 900 euro so you can cut a real nice PC to create, but I think 700 euros for a range of loosely quad with decent memory and a reasonable hard drive ...



Antwort von Marco:

Give the calculator, the fastest CPU that you have for the money can get. The processing power is currently the A & O for native AVCHD editing.

Marco








Antwort von Bruno Peter:

Quote:
or an AVCHD-DVD 's or be burned again back on the SD card to it with the Camera on the Fehrseher out-FullHD


And it should go @ Michi: "back to SD card with the Canon HF100?



Antwort von Daigoro:

That with the "fastest CPU" garnicht is so simple and depends partly on synonymous editing program, etc. from memory.
Not all programs use quad cut (and if you have the 'old' or the new quad 45nm dual cores should, is synonymous nochmal ne question) synonymous really well and benefit from some more of higher clocked dual cores. Should we then ergoogeln case, if you look for an editing program has decided (Vegas or Pinnacle seem at the moment because the options).

Und nen complete calculator for 900 just seems to be if something like monitor (ideally of course 2, which at least a 24 "er, the synonymous showing 1920x1080), BluRay burner and operating systems are added.



Antwort von peha:

http://pcvideo.schiele-schoen.de/499_EURO_HD...Eigenbau...

Edit from Mod: Link shortened.



Antwort von wolfgang:

"Daigoro" wrote:
That with the "fastest CPU" garnicht is so simple and depends partly on synonymous editing program, etc. from memory.
Not all programs use quad intersection.


True, but synonymous with the Q6600 is 1920 for the AVCHD to an appreciable improvement to notice when one of the its 2.4 Ghz overclocked force. Canon HF100 material as can be seen on an overclocked machine already halfway cut.

"Daigoro" wrote:

Und nen complete calculator for 900 just seems to be if something like monitor (ideally of course 2, which at least a 24 "er, the synonymous showing 1920x1080), BluRay burner and operating systems are added.


I see exactly the same way - a good Blu Ray burner halt alone costs 200 euros. But then you stop investing more gradual, and it's central part, especially for the AVCHD editing a fast processor.



Antwort von michiwoi:

First s.alle Thanks ...

@ Peter Bruno
Yes, according to the supplied manual, the videos should be back to get the camera. Whether that is synonymous with the cut work, I do not know because I at the lack of basic calculator could not try.

And as more information, monitors are already available and BlueRay plays for me at the moment does not matter because I Pries / power thing, where there are not yet see. Need just the calculator, but the total.
Some important issues for me to play what would be the graphics card for a role?
And what example Processor Q9450, Q9300 or maybe the old Stromvernichter Q6700 or Q6600 is so much cheaper, or a new E8400 is already enough would be the most economical solution, and the same power. AMD? Do I need a lot of RAM or less plays a role here should be much (more than 3GB) so I do need a 64bit OS synonymous.
And the programs here I did not want to invest a lot to me and my sister would be Nero or the supplied program safe enough.

So, because again many thanks for your help synonymous in the future ;-)

Michi



Antwort von Daigoro:

See: http://forum.slashcam.de/re-welcher-pc-fur-hd-videobearbeitung-and-schnitt-die-zweite-vp290795.html?highlight = # 290795
Since I've been a bit relating to what is written.

Everything subject to change - I deserve not hardware tests with my money, but I am just interested users. :)

I personally would like said NEN C2D 8200 and take over failing discreetly tacts.
2GB should be enough, but at the current prices of RAM .. hauptsache if you decide for more that 3GB of work synonymous stable in the "Dual Channel" mode - you have to test and failing slimming.

graphics card to play (eg synonymous in the article of PCVideo again tested and confirmed) no big role - at least not in the cut programs that do not explicitly support - a few extra euros in ne soundcard, as the on-board solutions synonymous again CPU performance cost.

If you have Vista/DX10 would be an NVidia card with "Crystal HD video" interesting to the hardware accelerated h.264 (zb 8600er - like what passive cooling).



Antwort von michiwoi:

So hab jetzt mal once a system zusammengebastelt, please write something you think or what would replace it.
When to hire more software Pinnacle Studio 11 plus, if it is really there for 50 ¬.

http://www.tweakpc.de/...18353482da4eaba5c2.jpg

Edit from Mod: Too big to Picture Link replaced.



Antwort von Bruno Peter:

Will not run, nor need W-XP + SP3 ...

The power supply, I would with min. 550W take is future-proof ...



Antwort von michiwoi:

Winbugs is still available ...

and I hope the times Stomverbrauchsentwicklung in the other direction ... and the power supplies again smaller.

Otherwise there are no nag? * * erstaundbin








Antwort von Bruno Peter:

Leg Loss times, previously saw a hole in the housing intermediate wall under the board in the CPU (about 85x85). Worth it if you with Pushpin or possibly with back plate for the cooler times should work, then the board need not be synonymous can expand and the seat of the Pushpin on the back of the motherboard at any time, good control ...

Important BIOS Settings assembly by:

1. Under Advanced / Northbridge configuration is the "Memory Remap Feature" to disable (Disabled). Activation only when a 64-bit operating system is used.
2. Prior to the Windows installation you should still decide whether the SATA controller in AHCI mode wants.
3. Now install Windows ...



Antwort von Marco:

Regarding CPU might be a faster dual-core for AVCHD editing even more effective than this quad with "only" 2.67 GHz each. If the software is the four cores can not really use, 2.67 GHz are not the hammer for AVCHD. So at least 3 GHz per processor (core) think I already made sense.

Marco



Antwort von Jörg:

Quote:
Under Advanced / Northbridge configuration is the "Memory Remap Feature" to disable (Disabled). Activation only when a 64-bit operating system is used.


Why should you do?
Is equally useful with 32 bit OS and 3/4G of RAM.



Antwort von Bruno Peter:

See ASUS Manual Joerg ...



Antwort von Bruno Peter:

Quote:
2.67 GHz are not the hammer for AVCHD


With OC no problem, I leave my Q6600 with 4x3GHz run.
Den of Michi selected Processor Q9450 you can overclock much higher ...
The selected Studio 11 Pros uses the 4 cores very well,
However, I would advise Michiyoshi to S12 to wait, coming soon with
a complete Bluray authoring.

For old programs which only use single core (eg COOL 3D), can be
obviously something that means, there are free tools on the Internet.



Antwort von WoWu:

@ Michiwoi

Hello Michi ..

"Marco" wrote:
Regarding CPU might be a faster dual-core for AVCHD editing even more effective than this quad with "only" 2.67 GHz each. If the software is the four cores can not really use, 2.67 GHz are not the hammer for AVCHD. So at least 3 GHz per processor (core) think I already made sense.

Marco


This is the thing (up to 3GHz) are quite accurate ..!

Non-processor performance, the A & O ... The correct processor architecture, it is.
Also Daigoros info went exactly in the right direction ...

In the old standards were in the linear sequence of each individual macroblock syntax elements from the Bitsream read, decoded and processed.
This work is in coding process with low reproducibility Prädiktionsgrad in terms of syntax elements of advantage, because memory can be saved.
Syntax elements such as transform coefficients or macroblock types in MPEG-2, on the later course of the decoding is not more accessible must receive only a local caching and may, after completion of the reconstruction of a macro block will be directly discarded.
The strategy of previous video decoder is to optimize locality and space is created.

That has changed ... and while drastically.
H.264 writes due to the support of Langzeitprädiktionen multiple reference images and complex ways of buffering and sorting of the corresponding images.
The reference images are used in H.264 decoders synonymous motion vectors and reference picture indices are provided so that the logic of the sorting is not directly synonymous with image processing operations carried out is required. In the motion compensation according to H.264, the algorithmic implementation of 16 different cases of interpolation to be taken into account.
This is the limited number of available registers, especially in cases with multiple bi-directional filtering and intermediate results of a problem in the efficiency of existing system;

So not the processor power is the bottleneck but the memory access in its Dynamics is the crux of the matter.
The Pentium IV, for example, due to the high frequency long pipeline with a clock rate substantially lower efficiency than with the AMD and PPC processors has.
Disadvantage of such structures are of higher "administration" by Programmverzwigungen and more memory consumption so that a substantial part of the functional units of the processor is so charged, the pipeline to eliminate barriers and possible ambiguities in a multi-described memory cells to adjust.

The internal processing speed of current processors throughput exceeds the external components connected already but a lot.
This concerns mainly the above mentioned performance when memory access.
A problem of image processing software is that the image reconstruction block access to two-dimensional data fields presupposes during primary cache memory and for continuous data are designed.
With a growing frame size, the influence of access to two-dimensional data fields for reference picture indices, motion vectors and coding information from the page too.
Also plays in contrast to H.264 in MPEG2 decoder of internal administration has no real role.

It is not really about the hardware, because even the 2 GHz processors ranging from class to real-time performance to ensure that:
Example: H.264 1080p Level 4 with 20 Mbit / s including CABAC uses approximately 80 MHz / Picture condition (I schenk'mir once the detailed calculation) ..... 25 frames / s = 2 GHz.
Condition is just that the load is done so that a core, for example, the processed image data and other core administrative burden of bitstreams over .... and naturally enough vector registers and arithmetic units are available.
Only the adjustment of the computational steps in Image s.Aufbau and functioning of memory leads to better runtime behavior. The whole



Antwort von Bruno Peter:

My own practical experience with AVCHD editing using Pinnacle Studio 11 Pros (works very well with Mehrkehrnprozessoren together!) And a PC with the Intel Q6600, 3GB RAM and GraKa Sapphire HD-2600 Pro with 256 MB of RAM has shown that in this AVCHD -Echtzeitediting/Echtzeitvorschau combination with two video tracks is possible. Studio 11 Pros schal be supported by hardware acceleration, the revised timeline issue very well. With the tool "Video Memory Watcher" one can read the synonymous and the comparative effect with other NLE check, then the good work of the programmers clearly. Did tests with 4x2, 4 GHz, 4x2, 7 GHz and 4x3, 0 GHz (synonymous with more!) With the latest material SonySR11 performed. It was shown here that in the case of the processor to OC 4x3, 0 GHz virtually no response or waiting to.



Antwort von WoWu:

@ Bruno

Eventually, the NLE's all the times in this direction.
Good to know that Pinnacle has already arrived there.
I'm quite sure the others will follow (have). In any case, it is with "computing power" alone is not really done and it's completely the wrong way, only more computing power to proclaim.
Rather, users should look out for specifically adapted software.
But of course synonymous a good piece of the CPU architecture (the slow-less, because the actually brings in the magnitude almost back problems with that) and I am sure that the 4 cores a large part of your performance for the pipeline management and actually spend less for the application.
I give all absolutely right when they say that the offer s.Software there is still too small ... synonymous but you have to see that such a software for NLE synonymous Manufacturer times just not done. But soon will be synonymous show just what software arbitration and what it can not. It seems as if Pinnacle Sonyda and the "nose" are quite far forward.



Antwort von wolfgang:

Yes, synonymous with Sony Vegas Pro 8b can I connect 2 streams of SR11 with 25 fps material s.internen screen play (Vegas has reached fps for a display, a stream content as a background image, the second as PiP). On a 3.3 Ghz on Q6600 overclocked. With 3 streams halt falls to around 16 fps back.

I nevertheless hope that the trend is still there next - with HDV material on the same machine with the same Schnittprogamm loose 5 or 6 streams. And when output via the Intensity of the HDTV drop my fps from synonymous.









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