Frage von Solomon:
Dear Forum members,
because I still had never had a camcorder but my wife is now happy to have, I am in search of a good and promising solution. Gladly would I have an HD option, because I have to, at least in part, and I am ready because the future seems to lie.
That there are still problems with cutting / Dubbing / save to disk, etc. There is already clear to me, but synonymous, that the developments in this rapidly progressing field, synonymous if the "concerned" too slow. That many of these developments is not clear where they end, I am aware.
Concepts, such as rendering, codec, etc., are now known to me but not really any clear and fully understandable. That's why I ask for leniency if I currently have as little of the "Chinese expert" wants to hear.
Now you could say, look you in the forum, there you will find your answer - Why do you ask the same questions again.
But I would have answered my questions and they are sometimes specifically because I am in my own neighborhood move. Moreover, by now, new developments happen ....
The first question is simply what your camcorder is right for me ..... but of course I am not so simple.
So my environment here in which I move, or would like to move:
At home, a home theater with a small
- Projection Design Action Model Two = 720p projector
- S.einem Onkyo TX-SR804E,
- The of a Toshiba HD-E1 = HD-DVD player is operated
- And a s.dem synonymous Humax PR-HD1000C Kabelreciever (yes, yes I know) hang.
Furthermore, I have a Beovision 6 / 26 and with DVI digital input, according to the dealer "HD" can. The will, in turn, of a Topfield TF 5200 PVRc with 300GB (HDD cable receiver) support.
As a "calculator" do I use a Thinkpad T60p with Intel ® Core 2 Duo T7600, 2 GB RAM and ATI Mobility FireGL V5250 graphics with 256MB of RAM. There is also home to the NSA as a RAID 5 with 1.3 GB space. XP and software usNero 7.02.9 .. could be synonymous to 8 switch ....
It is clear that I have "HD-material" of a camcorder and probably could this synonymous HDMI (or HDMI to DVI plus Digitone) could spend.
My digital cameras are all of Canon. This does not mean that the camcorder is now synonymous of Canon ought to be ..... It had all the appropriate a certain charm.
Honestly, I would also be reluctant to employ new bands with, if it could be avoided.
The laptop has no Firewire port, but could be retrofitted by PCMCIA.
My first idea was a Canon HG10, as with hard drive and HD (AVCHD), is via USB 2.0, etc. .....
Then I was confused:
- AVCHD would be no industry standards - MPEG4 as HDV is better because .... So should I rather take the HV20 .....
- AVCHD can not be processed and go only with BlueRay
- Etc. etc.
That some of them is synonymous only semi I know now, more than semi but I am not synonymous.
My dream:
I draw with a "HD" camcorder on. Individual scenes directly s.Camcorders I throw out and when I want it to look me directly the result s.Beovision 6 / 26 via HDMI s.DVI / Digitone cable.
Then I play the whole thing on my notebook and save it on my NSA. When I have time (to happen) do I edit the material, ie, cut, or possibly several small files was composed. AND then the whole thing onto a disc (the first HD-DVD Burners come already) and I see me a great result at home to.
If it is not so great material, I could imagine synonymous, on the whole "normal TV format" (but maybe 16:9) and possibly to bring on a normal DVD or as a file on the Topfield.
:-(
The fact that the (not yet) so it is simply obvious to me.
But it is likely it will be possible? In what format HDV or AVCHD? Where is the future?
At what device or what equipment would you to me at the above notions guess?
What software would be to start in Combi worth buying?
Thank you very much
Antwort von wolfgang:
purchase advice read:
http://www.videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=4686
and then ask specific next!
Antwort von Solomon:
purchase advice read:
http://www.videotreffpunkt.com/thread.php?threadid=4686
and then ask specific next!
Hello,
the whole thing, I have already read. But for me in parts (yet) specifically for this I feel to be the more general question, as such, and with my special equipment in each coerced.
But perhaps a few specific questions for those who give more detailed answers to:
- AVCHD will have a future or is it proprietary, like someone said it to me?
- Is the performance of my notebook for AVCHD editing?
- Makes sense to me AVCHD, where I "but, unfortunately, already on HD-DVD set have? Or should I switch to BlueRay?
- Should I do with my equipment if I am to Canon Schiele, rather the HV20 or the HG10 take?
- Or should I use my fingers (still) quite of HD camcorders can?
Greeting
Solomon
Antwort von Marco:
"AVCHD is the future or is it proprietary, like someone said it to me?"
AVCHD will in any case have a future and it is not proprietary. That there are still here and because of compatibility problems, has other reasons.
"If the computing power of my notebook for AVCHD editing?"
That is very unlikely, but is synonymous dependent of their own ideas and their own way of working. If you're ready, the material is somewhat cumbersome to work through proxies, then the notebook would probably have enough. If you are with intermediates and external hard drive work, it is probably synonymous work when the notebook is not too weak.
But if you're comfortable and AVCHD natively edit want, then the calculator that can not quickly enough. Because I would schnelllste take what currently s.Desktop PC is affordable.
Marco
Antwort von Solomon:
AVCHD will in any case have a future and it is not proprietary. That there are still here and because of compatibility problems, has other reasons.
Does that mean you would rather me to AVCHD guess as to HDV?
That is very unlikely, but is synonymous dependent of their own ideas and their own way of working. If you're ready, the material is somewhat cumbersome to work through proxies, then the notebook would probably have enough. If you are with intermediates and external hard drive work, it is probably synonymous work when the notebook is not too weak.
But if you're comfortable and AVCHD natively edit want, then the calculator that can not quickly enough. Because I would schnelllste take what currently s.Desktop PC is affordable.
Intel ® Core 2 Duo T7600 (2.33 GHz), 2 GB RAM and ATI Mobility FireGL V5250 graphics with 256MB of RAM. There is also home to the NSA as a RAID 5 with 1.3 GB space.
This is quite neat power. Because some offers desktop, as "a lot of power for the Picture and Video Editing" is sold but less, right? It is clear, and yet even more power is always better. But it must be realistic and affordable. And I do not want to edit movies daily, but occasionally when I have time (what a nice idea).
Thank you
Solomon
Antwort von Marco:
"Does that mean you would rather me to AVCHD guess as to HDV?"
What the format as such is concerned: Yes.
The data for the notebook sound good for HDV editing, but comfortable for AVCHD editing will not suffice. A Raid brings AVCHD when it should be processed natively, nothing. There are usually only a maximum of 15 Mbit / sec. Currently, the most important thing for distance with AVCHD editing an ultra fast (multi-core-) CPU and there is the fastest, what can get, just fast enough.
Marco
Antwort von wolfgang:
the whole thing, I have already read.
and
Intel ® Core 2 Duo T7600 (2.33 GHz), 2 GB RAM and ATI Mobility FireGL V5250 graphics with 256MB of RAM.
When the first true, then you would notice the overall attention that AVCHD actually 4-core systems are recommended. And synonymous Marco wrote nothing else - power and performance once again one stop for AVCHD, and synonymous then the thing is still hard enough. Then seriously after a 2-core laptop to ask - well, please.
Stay in your environment with HDV, which can be of your process equipment. Or, you deal with the intermediate processing, such as Canopus Neo - wenns AVCHD should be. The RAID system would be helpful for the intermediates, but because a larger bandwidth (about 7-times the size of AVCHD).
Only if you have existing hardware can circumvent restrictions, I would be on AVCHD and direct editing of this material with. This is made possible - but with clear boundaries.
And no, a move to Blu Ray is not compulsory, why should that be? But so far we have only HD DVD player with 60i playback capabilities
(Except x-box), one must take account of the material 50i to 60i conversion so far, what quality costs. The eternally promised firmware update for the player is already quite long in coming, but hopefully someday it will. We still have no HD DVD burner - but it can be synonymous films on normal DVDs, burn, from some applications, such as the film distillery, Pinnacle Studio or VdL out.
Antwort von Solomon:
Thank you both ....
So although the whole Zusatzkram as Firewire card and tapes, etc. ....
Schade.
But, because then why are the hard-anywhere camcorder, as the only correct proposition ... Whether I become a pure Stillimage-/Videoshop or go to Media Markt, praise me all the hard s.and the devices are referred to but all my AVCHD.
Greeting
Solomon
Antwort von Marco:
Because these markets are now mostly with such equipment and supplies they need to sell.
But the current crutch in terms of performance must be yes no ko-criterion. I have only recently been synonymous - deliberately! - On a small AVCHD Camera set. HDV Bandbasierendes would for me no longer in question.
Marco
Antwort von Solomon:
Because these markets are now mostly with such equipment and supplies they need to sell.
But the current crutch in terms of performance must be yes no ko-criterion. I have only recently been synonymous - deliberately! - On a small AVCHD Camera set. HDV Bandbasierendes would for me no longer in question.
Marco
How good is because the "cutting in the camera?"
First I have to deal with the device and could learn of the Camera to play .....
Since I started this market and its developments and development times do not know what is s.Software-and hardware support in the coming period we expect? How fast can then be reasonably comfortable?
If I really saw was in the HDV s.Anfang quite similar and now is fairly decent, right? How long has it lasted?
Best regards and many thanks
Solomon
Antwort von wolfgang:
But, because then why are the hard-anywhere camcorder, as the only correct proposition ...
But they are not necessarily - the good old tape has quite synonymous advantages, such as light and easy Achivierung of original material, or the low price. Dealers that advertise their wares - nona.
There is synonymous a camcorder, the JVC HD7, which in the medium resolution level HDV on hard drive recording. The device has been critically evaluated but rather what the quality of the optics is concerned. It should however be noted for completeness. And there are docking hard for HDV camcorder - but cheap is not this fun. More devices, which record HDV on chips are announced (see above, but rather the end of the price segment).
Antwort von Marco:
"How good is because the" cutting in the camera? "?"
You mean with the function that the camera itself that offers?
Thus, I have not yet involved and would probably do not synonymous.
Marco
Antwort von fleischverpackung:
"How good is because the" cutting in the camera? "?"
You mean with the function that the camera itself that offers?
Thus, I have not yet involved and would probably do not synonymous.
Marco
A pity, but if you can s.Calculator is synonymous why ;-)
Solomon
Antwort von fleischverpackung:
The following article is under the theme "Underwater Video" written, but is very good with the theme of the different recording formats and storage medium apart - and is absolutely for laymen to understand :-)
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Hard drive devices are in my opinion ... but after all AVCHD.
Not necessarily: there are a whole series synonymous HDD camcorder in the MPEG2 format in standard definition recording.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Solomon:
The following article is under the theme "Underwater Video" written, but is very good with the theme of the different recording formats and storage medium apart - and is absolutely for laymen to understand :-)
Antwort von webrider:
... HDV Bandbasierendes would for me no longer in question.
Marco
Since synonymous just before I replaced my DV Cam and is soon to HD would like to change, it may be wondered: Why?
What are the advantages of the chip or the hard drive?
I see there more "cons".
Chip - relatively expensive
hard drive - shock sensitive, high power consumption and more heat
What is actually against the tape (apart from the capture in real time)? What other advantages of AVCHD over HDV? Have read somewhere that there "Full HD" will be possible - but except in Panasonics SX5 I've still never seen. Why is not covering the professional equipment?
Thanks Freddi
Antwort von Bernd E.:
hard drive - shock sensitive, high power consumption and more heat
Also no longer be used at altitudes over 3000 meters.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von webrider:
Full HD in most consumer camcorders is just hot air, because the chips is often not hergeben. 1440x1080 rather of a good chip and a 1920x1080 with 25Mbps of bad chips and with lower data rate.
Antwort von level30:
s.alle hello!
with the issue I should like now synonymous connect.
synonymous'm newbie in sachen camcorder. hab mich in the last 2 weeks as guts is informed and can only say me smoke the head. :-)
I will continue my synonymous buy a AVCHD cam.
take the difficult conditions of post-process in purchasing.
only a few ask me to stay open.
synonymous after so many times through the recommended shopping guide, I am not smarter in what format you s.besten encoded? hdv2?
I have set before my movies via hd multimedia player on my TV set anzuschaun. zb. http://www.amazon.de/Novatron-NTD-Multimedia-Player-wei%C3%9F/dp/B000JOWCJE/ref=pd_sbs_pc_2/303-1985976-4270642
the crates again support all different formats and codecs.
because I will not be smart from all over the salad s.abkürzungen.
maybe a tip?
thank you and lg
markus
Antwort von WoWu:
With friendly recommendation:
http://www.lulu.com/content/1018079
against s.Abkürzungen salad.
Antwort von Bernd52:
Skillfully placed advertising - :-) - but it is ok
Even when reading the content description, I push on contradictions:
... yet no AVCHD camcorder to buy ...
... Significantly better than AVCHD HDV ...
and suddenly catch my questions at the front of ...
Question s.den author: this book is only an explanatory (ie, forming) plant or it may be synonymous with a help of his purchase?
I was (from old habit) very "band-oriented" - in almost 20 years (until then Hi8 Mini DV) I have no problems.
For me, a well-functioning working environment is more important than ever, the latest devices in the cabinet.
But after I now a Full HD television and an HD capable editing software (APP2.0) have a growing desire for more ...
And because I passionately wanted to do films later, this is one of the main criteria for the choice of the new system.
Letzet question: can we ever present a tip about this picture?
Antwort von WoWu:
Hello Guest ...
... I think you do not have any real purchase tip, because the requirements of a user are completely individual. That is why I personally synonymous Kaufberatung difficult. But can the various aspects and technical / optical correlations enlighten. We can provide solutions to identify limitations and because this course in no glossy brochure stand.
And to clarify the contradiction ... yes, AVC is much better ... is only just the infrastructure for processing, such as 2 years ago in HDV, not yet fully there. This comes naturally synonymous that the new AVC recorder usually associated with the CMOS chips. Again, the user must ask the question: I Put value synonymous additional opportunities that these chips get me and take me to the disadvantages in buying?
It must be just the opposite position to know. For a consideration is always the whole picture. Certainly the book is more suited for migrating than the absolute "Beginner" (This is work in progress).
Who but already in the field of film or video experience, will surely find a lot of connections.
Antwort von Bernd52:
Thank you!
If with one or two sentences to say what is the advantage of AVC is (if I use the time gained in capturing times omit)? Or in other words: what is what HDV "worse" than makes AVC?
The picture quality?
And what makes me very busy: why is this format (yet?) Not in the professional area represented?
Or do I have to be an answer to find really deep penetration into the matter? It's like driving a car: I just really want to go - which I have not actually really know how an engine exactly works ...
Many greetings
Freddi
Antwort von Bernd52:
I was (from old habit) very "band-oriented" - in almost 20 years (until then Hi8 Mini DV) I have no problems.
For me, a well-functioning working environment is more important than ever, the latest devices in the cabinet.
But after I now a Full HD television and an HD capable editing software (APP2.0) have a growing desire for more ...
And because I passionately wanted to do films later, this is one of the main criteria for the choice of the new system.
Letzet question: can we ever present a tip about this picture?
... yes, you can:
that is currently only band-oriented also with HDV material into app2.
gruß cj
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Freddy
.. The main advantage is the substantially improved and fine-resolution motion estimation and the much smaller macroblocks.
In addition, synonymous not only as MPEG2 an intra-prediction, but rather synonymous within the I-frames. Furthermore, there is a whole "bunch" of additional tools that were previously in MPEG2 is not available. The most important thing is that there are really on a broad basis of the camcorder on Broadcasting as well as in the television standard (including the corresponding Hardwarunterstützung in chips). This means that once we finally look forward to a format that a few years longer holds wide support and experiences. As I said, it is not all available and both the processing, archiving as synonymous, there is room for improvement. But you may forget in this context is not synonymous, that it is MPEG4 which is also the codec of course, several other features in store. One of them will become synonymous keeps moving into the new-generation camcorders: Face, currently only used for navigation and sharpness, but it is a step in the processing of object-oriented video. Such "minor" one must not forget that when you slightly forward-oriented. At the chip must be very much consider what it is important ...
What the commercial field: Here are the choices to AVC ... the format called AVC-Intra here ... We have two weeks before the first treatment trials with the format made to us of Quantel was made available ... All that's missing here is the specification for 1080p/50 or 60
You see, the choices are pretty clear on AVC ... but it is just not all ready ... so my personal opinion, who is not an immediate Camera needs could still be a few months back lean. Only in size, of which one can already foresee that in future only as a niche product support, I would no longer invest.
Antwort von Marco:
"Everything here is missing is the specification for 1080p/50"
And it will probably come soon synonymous ...
Marco
Antwort von Bernd52:
Thank you - (almost) all questions answered.
And I will probably be another year with the switch to wait for HD.
@ Freddy ...
... Only in format, of which one can already foresee that in future only as a niche product support, I would no longer invest.
This is probably meant HDV, right?
Thanks Freddi
Antwort von WoWu:
@ Freddy
... if this was a year, I think I actually do not ... only the first set s.Camcordern is of course quite lonely there ... but that was synonymous with HDV so ... and certainly here in Europe.
And .. yes I think the HDV very soon no longer the broad support is that it once had.
Synonymous, I think that, perhaps the next NAB a prosumer version of AVC-I will if I have the "worry" to the professional market with the manufacturers correctly interpret.
Antwort von kriss:
... then the AVCHD cams today but just
obsolete as the HDV cams!
gruß cj
Antwort von kriss:
And what you decide then usefully be applied today?
Freddi
Antwort von WoWu:
Cj @ ... one must distinguish between a cross-default to both the camcorder industry as synonymous, the broadcaster, that is synonymous monitor the industry and one a derivative of MPEG2, the only manufacturers of the camera was supported (and only very hesitant of the NLE manufacturers) Therefore I think , this cross-format longer.
That there is another segment in addition to price, is already so. HDV is synonymous different price segments.
@ Freddy ... I would wait half a year, and think after the next NAB there are offers in the prosumer range, as synonymous in the consumer area. The camcorder will be present until the Christmas season does not change. At best, even in the user interface .. but technically more difficult. Therefore, if you do not hurry, wait ... if you can not wait, take one and AVC leb'solange with the shortcomings .... as I said: I would no longer buy format which is both technically and optical is worse than synonymous predict that it will very soon be a niche product.
Antwort von Wagas:
Thank you for your efforts - I will not be considered "beratungsresistent" off, but I think that I still cam with tape (HDV) growth will be. Many factors (machining, allgm. Compatibility, price and durability of the media and others) speak of this. Furthermore, it has me thinking that, in many other forums (amateur film, video venue ...) synonymous because of the many problems with AVC majority will be advised to tape. And I think that the industry is not so easy to ignore and it will deshlb at least 5-7 years, support for HDV will. And if the children's diseases at AVC are away, I think the next device again about it.
Nevertheless, many thanks s.alle.
Freddi
Antwort von wolfgang:
Freddi,
I would not necessarily say that we are meeting a majority in the video to HDV guess. The fact is, however, that we in the video meeting, a majority of users have so far used HDV - but, historically, is synonymous.
But what I think is essential, is a sober presentation of pros and cons of the two systems. And then let everyone choose what he or she is better since. And what better fits its environment. Honestly, I think for the better access to the theme - the need Advised synonymous with his own choice to live, and the decision can and should he / she, therefore, eh None decrease.
Antwort von Wagas:
Hello Wolfgang
so I wanted to show not synonymous.
Better would it be called:
The sum of the positive reports in the forums has me in deciding to tape confirms - I would like to thank the video editing on the Project and not to problems with the tools concentrate.
And the tape is due to the "historic" structure simply much more feasible.
Sure synonymous because I have a great deal of my current work environment can receive.
Yet to read the purchase advice subliminally in the video meeting with me the impression that one tape systems "recommends" (emphasis is on: ... with me ...).
Freddi
Antwort von Wagas:
as I said I would still recommend the band because:
1. improved processing ability of the video materials used in the quality
at the moment is not worse than the h264 material.
2. z Zt best picture in the consumer sector through HV20
when the first AVCHD cams on the market come
with i-frame only coding and higher data rate / quality,
it is no argument against more AVCHD, but the latest AVCHD
consumer cams are not benefiting.
gruß cj
Antwort von WoWu:
Hi Freddi ...
... Wolfgang has done quite right ... (and incidentally synonymous cj) ... That once you see how the issue individually for each user.
Only problem is that there will be no new cameras with tape more ... now not in either the market or are in the announcement.
So you've seen of course ... because the HDV cameras (usually the past with heads), there are already cheap at EBay. So if you are of a durability of 5-7 years out, can you have a large part of the development of course only once elapse before you receive the new features coming.
But, as I said, it's always a bit of courage to be the "early adapters" of a system, especially a solid infrastructure only really likely in the coming year will be available.
@ Cj:
As for the quality, so I can not cj's appreciation share. We now have the AVC-I to the profile 4 and 3.2 in 1080p24 and in 720p/24 cut and processed. Material to us courtesy of Quantel was provided and I must say, even against the P4 material in 720p, I let each DVCPro material left.
So s.der quality of the raw material it can not lie, if it does not work with cj or not good.
We have no HDV material on the other hand held but if DVCPro HD optical already looks bad, I need the HDV Comparison not really.
But, as Wolfgang says, it's always synonymous in the context in which such a system should be included .. and so a new system in an old frame to try to squeeze is really difficult because s.den new systems everything is really different.
Antwort von wolfgang:
Yet to read the purchase advice subliminally in the video meeting with me the impression that one tape systems "recommends" (emphasis is on: ... with me ...).
Freddi
That may well be that I am existing and available technologies and assess. And who today s.die one camera body and tunability over a lot of buttons sets, yet inevitably lands in HDV (because no consumer or prosumer devices are the same for AVCHD can - at least not yet).
Who the material easier to edit, lands (often) for HDV.
Who but these two points have no preference, and the tapes do not like, synonymous for the retention of the material on tape is not essential, often land in the AVCHD.
I am one more stop to the first group. Yet.
For the Aufbewaren of HDV tapes you need, of course synonymous players - but soo much it is not impossible. I have here for my 8 and Hi8 video tapes still have a Hi8 VCR stand, which only last year of Sonygewartet has been - and certainly works well. You need to buy something but in time, and the HDV is no different.
Oh yes, and future codecs will only be able to evaluate if they are commercially available. Before one can hardly be early adapter. Avci times when equipment is available, you have to.
Antwort von WoWu:
Hello Wolfgang ...
... the thing with the archive is in fact a reflection that we are synonymous already employ quite a while, because it is the act MXF files, it is probably as with the behavioral data archiving.
In hardware terms, we hope, still in December for 2 weeks can test (Camera).
Also, the workflow runs 1080p24 from satisfactory. The future can now begin.
Antwort von equinoxe:
... Only problem is that there will be no new cameras with tape more ... now not in either the market or in the announcement is ...
How did you because this information?
And how "reliable" is that?
Freddi
Antwort von equinoxe:
It's like with the Röhrenfernsehern ... If you look at the numbers of suppliers looking, speaks the language clearer than what the manufacturers say: If the picture has indeed become the rumgesprochen, but that the production of interlaced chips by more than 60% has been reduced and that the Manufacturer of head drums for DV recorders (and nothing else is in the HDV devices) to phase out production lines, are clear indications that there are still spare parts will be, but no longer new. Even companies already have the shells for the DV cassette produced largely converted to other forms.
I can s.keinen Manufacturer synonymous in the past, remember, its product line to an old technology expanded.
This is slightly as with the vinyl discs ... Sure, there are turntables and some are still synonymous vinyl disks and perhaps from the nostalgic reasons, yes synonymous prima find (I find synonymous, incidentally) ... but that will in the foreseeable future with the formats bangestützten just be synonymous.
Antwort von WoWu:
... oh forgot login ..
Antwort von Jan:
Because I must Wolfgang Wunderlich law.
Freddi, it is not always a question of which system is more sensible, but which is s.Besten sold.
That I must at this moment synonymous himself s.eigenen body experience, how often a MiniDV camcorder DVD camcorder will be preferred.
Now, I am now in the times-selling electric chain employed in Europe, if you look at the figures it seems, since breaking HDV mercilessly about 2-3 months away. Sony AVCHD SR models roll on everything mercilessly. Good on the prosumer HDVs can I talk less, because there are only isolated in my store chain, which, for example, a V 1, G 1 or XL H 1 sell. These details are for other companies probably very similar.
Canon HV 20 HDV at the moment is still well in the race, but this can be synonymous s.den 2 price reductions are in the final quarter.
I'm pretty sure in the HDV consumer class is just another year with new models to be fed - so in the spring & summer of 2008 with HC 6 & 8 and HV 30 (names), when Prosumerklasse are successor models of FX 1 & 7 even the very unwarscheinlich.
We will speak again in 1-2 years, 5-7 years for future security HDV - because I would bet a lot that does not warrant arrives.
VG
Jan
Antwort von wolfgang:
Yes, the devices are high-resolution, small and make a good impression - particularly in the shop. No wonder that the market pointed leaves. And the few users who want to edit, only later to learn where the limits lie .... if they did not have well-informed.
But the fact is that the AVCHD devices have a perfectly good picture quality - today. But in the Prosumergeräten HDV models will not be replaced so quickly - there has even Sonyja new devices announced.
Antwort von simlei:
... But in the Prosumergeräten HDV models will not be replaced so quickly - there has even Sonyja new devices announced.
That sounds interesting but still - it is possible to somewhere closer to what to know?
@ Jan
HC 6 or 8 and HV 30 - there is an opportunity to get somewhere on this new information?
What I mind is something like the FX7 (Not synonymous to something smaller - about the size of the HC 1).
The HC 7 is too "Fummel" and the touch screen bothers me.
3 chips (1 / 3 ") would be required. Just as an ordinary equipment with manual options. Tape would be super, since a parallel acquisition of the new Sony Mini DV Walkman is not excluded.
What are the chances there?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... this can be somewhere closer to what to know?
HDV -Einsteiger-Schulterkamera
HDV handheld camera with optics Exchangable
HDV shoulder camera with optics Exchangable
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von simlei:
Thank you - but the links are all already available. Above stood ... has announced ... - Ie, they will probably come first.
Furthermore Exchangable optics is not necessary ... Cam shoulder and I wanted to actually synonymous not - anything in size between HC1 and FX7 - with 3 chips and tape - that would be awesome ...
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... but the links are all already available ...
Since you have good sources but have! I do not know a dealer who is already one of these camcorders can deliver - in the case of the last two Sonyja has not even the model name announced.
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von simlei:
Oh - I thought because all been described in detail so there are already ...
No honest - I'm looking for but rather a category of "small" ;-)
Antwort von Jan:
Ok, Bernd the 3 new models of the Sonyin & Semi Pro class HDV devices - because you're right.
But if the EX 1, a few drops, but how will it all go on camera memory cards - only the 2000-5000 group ¬ has the choice at the moment.
Sonyhat me today confirmed that in spring 2008, once again, of how I confirmed consumer HDV cameras appear the names of HC 6 & 8 are my name suggestions - but they are probably fairly even. No idea what this should be better, well wait times.
Yes, the shops have the HDV models have a higher rate, and improve the overall outcome. There are more customers willing to processing at home - unfortunately are clearly in the lower figure. Editing means time - time most have not. The major markets but sell more units - up to a few names like shops in big cities - and then count the numbers. I was so synonymous times in the shop at home.
Only one times sales ratio of 7 to HC SR 7 = 1:7!
VG
Jan
Antwort von simlei:
... Sonyhat me today confirmed that in spring 2008, once again, of how I confirmed consumer HDV cameras appear the names of HC 6 & 8 are my name suggestions - but they are quite probably ...
VG
Jan
That is good news times - there is more info somewhere?
Antwort von Bernd E.:
... Consumer HDV cameras appear ... No idea what this should be better ...
Better? Today one has to be happy when a new camera not too much worse than its predecessor ... Let's hope the best of times!
Gruß Bernd E.
Antwort von Jan:
When sales people and company employees know that some are confidential, we can already assume that the information is correct. The get much more info (there are successors? Which system is more supported in the future? Which system falls away?), Even better, it is in Japan with Jemdandem have contact with.
I've been here synonymous of AVCHD camcorders Canon spoken - even 1 / 4 years dananch were not yet available - and now they are. Canon XH A1, I had synonymous with the right DM XM 2 HVD successor - the name just knew I was not.
What s.der HC 5 & 7 But could be improved s.Funktionsumfang - no idea? HC 7, but already - opt stability, manual shutter, Zebra, Color Bars and manual Tonaussteuerung.
Or Sonykillt us with a 3CCD HDV camera for a Consumer Price - but maybe not quite.
The date for the dissemination is quite synonymous probably late January / early February - to the PMA in Las Vegas (which has been brought forward - otherwise in March) - so one hears of the company.
So in January, the first rumors of the useful function of the diversity of models, Bernd but rather - it is likely that the jumbled Prices and features will be slimmed down to HD yet to push next.
VG
Jan
Antwort von maus1208:
... Or Sonykillt us with a 3CCD HDV camera for a Consumer Price - but maybe not quite.
VG ...
Jan
The hope dies last ...
